Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

Recap of aircraft;

12 Su-24M
12 Su-25SM
12 Su-34
4 Su-30SM
12 Mil-25
4 Mil-8
1 Il-20M
2-4 Su-27SM3

= 59-61 aircraft

missing 8-10

JohninMK wrote:

franco wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

franco wrote:Apparently the ASF now has 69 aircraft in Syria. Newcomers include 8 more Su-34 plus some Su-27SM3's. Does anyone have an exact count?

I understood that the total planes participating was indeed 69 including those who operate through Iran.

So in fact only 12 more Su27 family planes were brought in for the VKS and they're at Krymsk.

Link below, a flight could be either 2 or 4.

http://tass.ru/en/defense/838162

Are the 69 aircraft those flying over Syria or those based there?

The Su-34 and 27SM3 flying out of Russia would have to go through Turkish or Bulgarian airspace. Not happening...
Also the bomber fleet is 14 Tu-22M3, 5 Tu-160 and 6 Tu-95MS out of Russia.

franco wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

franco wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

franco wrote:Apparently the ASF now has 69 aircraft in Syria. Newcomers include 8 more Su-34 plus some Su-27SM3's. Does anyone have an exact count?

I understood that the total planes participating was indeed 69 including those who operate through Iran.

So in fact only 12 more Su27 family planes were brought in for the VKS and they're at Krymsk.

Link below, a flight could be either 2 or 4.

http://tass.ru/en/defense/838162

Are the 69 aircraft those flying over Syria or those based there?

The Su-34 and 27SM3 flying out of Russia would have to go through Turkish or Bulgarian airspace. Not happening...
Also the bomber fleet is 14 Tu-22M3, 5 Tu-160 and 6 Tu-95MS out of Russia.

Look at the page before, you have break down of forces.

The 12 new Su27 family have to be used from Krymsk according to the Russians themselves.

BTW: Syrians drilling the Formerly Seen Alive.

franco wrote:Recap of aircraft;

12 Su-24M
12 Su-25SM
12 Su-34
4 Su-30SM
12 Mil-25
4 Mil-8
1 Il-20M
2-4 Su-27SM3

= 59-61 aircraft

missing 8-10

According to spotters, there is more than 12 Su-24's in Latakia and they've got aircraft numbers from various videos as proof....or maybe they've just rotated some of the aircraft with new ones from Russia

ult wrote:More pics from the briefing.

I will translate the first pic.

Thanks Ult

You would have to wonder how those old Su-24M's will hold up under that daily action. I suspected a rotation may have been in play when they showed that list of 24 aircraft.

Bomber fleet is based temporally in Iran?

George1 wrote:Bomber fleet is based temporally in Iran?

No Russia, the Tu-22M3's are flying out of Mozdok, while the Tu-160's and Tu-95MS's are out of Engels.

ult wrote:

Sorties made by:

November 17.

Engels:
2 Tu-160 (launched 16 Kh-101 cruise missiles),
3 Tu-95MS (launched 8 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

Mozdok:
12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

Hmeymim:
Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 98 sorties.

November 18.

Engels:
2 Tu-160 (launched 8 Kh-555 cruise missiles)

Mozdok:
12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

Hmeymim:
Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 100 sorties.

November 19.

Engels:
2 Tu-160 (launched 16 Kh-101 cruise missiles),
2 Tu-95MS (launched 5 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

Mozdok:
12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

Hmeymim:
Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 98 sorties.

November 20.

Engels:
2 Tu-160 (launched 16 Kh-101 cruise missiles),
1 Tu-95MS (launched 6 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

Olenya:
2 Tu-160 (launched 8 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

Mozdok:
12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

Krymsk:
8 Su-34 sorties + 8 Su-34 sorties.

Hmeymim:
Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 98 sorties.

Caspian flotilla:
launched 18 ZM-14T Kalibr cruise missiles.

The forces

Engels:
3 Tu-160
6 Tu-95MS

Olenya:
2 Tu-160

Mozdok:
14 Tu-22M3

Krymsk:
8 Su-34

Hmeymim:
12 Su-24M
12 Su-25SM
4 Su-34

Caspian flotilla:
RK "Dagestan"
MRK "Veliki Ustyug"
MRK "Grad Sviyazhsk"
MRK "Uglich"

This is completely crazy and insane.. Russia spending so much money ,using so many expensive
cruise missiles and wasted in cheap targets like Oil trucks ,that can be destroyed with a home made barrel bomb. just a weak earlier Russia was reducing its strikes for target adquisition ,(that they were lacking of places to strikes) and now they are bombing like if there is no tomorrow and spending like $100 millions each day on bombing. Not even US navy used so many expensive cruise missiles in a single day in the IRAQ invasion.  

So something is going on here.. The idea that Russia can maintain that level of bombing without going broke in a week or two and wasting all its inventory of cruise missiles on civilians trucks
and civilian unprotected buildings in crazy.. when Russia could easily just do the same using
cheap bombs like Kab-250 and for the money it cost one Kh-101, they could drop ~x300.. unguided KAB free fall bombs that will do the same. So this is really rare..

The only possible explanation is that Russia had been stocking a ridiculous amount of cruise
conventional missiles , in the hundred of thousands.. for a long time and that they are simply
sending a message to US and Turkey ,with their nuclear capable bombers ,that will NOT allow them to invade Syria and try to create a buffer zone to protect the terrorist against them.
Because if Russia drops too many bombs ,it will not allow civilians refugees from Turkey to be used in the thousands as human shield. To stop Russia from Bombing ISIS and Alqaeda.

In any case.. the power in nuclear bombers alone and missiles ,if armed with tactical nukes variants of the cruise missiles  ,Russia nuclear airforce deployed in Syria are more than enough to totally destroy a combined Turkey and Israel army  invasion of Syria if a major war start and provoked by them.

Russia using 2x Tu-160 White Swans , x2 Tu-95 bears bombers and 24 ti-24m backfires
is not a small thing.. don't think even in the soviet times Russia did an operation so big..is like the Russia Airforce is already preparing for war and take the fight to another nation.

The key here is not the money spend but the main focus is to train crew of every single system they have in active service so that they get combat experience and familiarize themselfs with new aircrafts and weapons under combat conditions and not just polygons. Also to test new weaponary by itself by letting cruise missiles overfly foreign territory and see adoption of enemies of their vessels which are prone to the US in entire waters especially around Gulf states and meditteranean sea. They are not blind and see US wants a war in europe and getting ready now is high priority because appearantly detterance wasn't enough so far the yanks are still madmen and want to sacrifice europeans just to piss off russia and they will fight against russia untill the very last pole,german,french, czech, romanian and with no doubt every single estonian, latvian and lithunian crazy there is.

Brits joining the party ?


Britain's HMS Defender to support French carrier against Islamic State

Brits joining the party ?


Britain's HMS Defender to support French carrier against Islamic State

Pretty worthless for an anti-Daesh operation.

It would have been cheaper but equally effective to just send ISIS an angry letter.

Tu-160 bombing raid

max steel wrote:

Britain's HMS Defender to support French carrier against Islamic State

No, it's a classic, neither France nor Britain have enough ships on rooster to make a proper escort for a capital ship. So they have to make joint ones.

Look Inside Putin's Massive New Military Command And Control Center

Seemingly pulled right from a James Bond movie, we got a glimpse this week of Russia’s new super military nerve center in action, called the National Defense Control Center (NDCC), as Russian heavy bombers made their combat debut in the Syrian conflict. This was also the first time the venerable Tu-95 Bears or the Tu-160 Blackjacks would see combat.


The video above was released by the Russian government and media apparatus showing the center supposedly at work, with a montage of the heavy bomber’s mission being displayed on a massive screen. The video may have also inadvertently shown that Russia has ground artillery units far outside of its forward operating outpost south of the Syrian port city of Latakia, something that the Russian Ministry of Defense still denies.


This immense military command and control headquarters was built incredibly fast, in under two years, out of an existing Ministry of Defense complex located along the Moskva River, just a mile and a half south of the Kremlin. Claimed by the Russian press to be “more powerful than the Pentagon,” this facility houses multiple new command and control assembly areas, all supposedly hardened from external attacks.
Additionally, a labyrinth of underground tunnels, transportation routes and facilities are said to exist below the sprawling compound. Three helicopter pads, one of which is floating, are used to move Russia’s military and political elite to and from the series of buildings. The centerpiece of this updated complex is a truly impressive and giant central atrium built out of glass and steel.


The decision to re-build the facility into the National Defense Command Center was made by Vladimir Putin himself in May of 2013 out of a need to modernize, consolidate and physically expand the size of Russia’s command and control and information fusion capabilities for a new “wartime government.” The complex’s three major auditorium-like control areas include the Control Center of Strategic Nuclear Forces, the Combat Control Center that analyses threats, and the Daily Activities Control Center which is said to deal with procurement and general military activities.

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu described the facility when it opened:

“The establishment of the center is an important step towards forming a single information space for solving tasks in the interests of the country’s defense,” he continued “it will allow conducting a continuous analysis of the environment and developing means of responding towards changes and rapidly coordinating the activity of federal bodies of the executive power in the defense sphere.”


One of the command and control rooms looks like a more futuristic and much brighter version of the one featured in the Cold War classic film Dr. Strangelove. It features a ringed central seating area and a 180 degree wall of seamless video projection. There is even a theater-like seating area for onlookers. Tablet computers can be seen at every seating station.


The command and control hall that we saw Putin preside over this week is gigantic with rows and rows of officers sitting at identical computer stations, and three levels of seating. On its second level, right in the center, sitting behind a frosted glass railing with a five pointed star emblazoned on it were Putin and his generals.


During the video, it appears that the room was being used more as a giant briefing room than anything else, with the biggest question being what the heck were all those officers doing at those computer terminals and very clean desks? Maybe during a potential nuclear exchange these officers would all have a role, but it seemed like for the purposes of that day, and for the camera, the facility was being used as a giant movie theater.


When it comes to computers, the new center is said to only utilize Russian-built computer components so as to limit the chances of espionage and cyber intrusion. These terminals are all connected to a super-computer, which is the heart of the whole center and is claimed to be a huge upgrade over what Russia used in the past. In fact, Russian military leaders claim that the NDCC has far more computing power than the Pentagon, three times more according to them, and 15 times the storage capacity. This extreme computing power will be used to crunch elaborate mathematical models for war-gaming along with supporting more mundane command and control, communications and data-fusion tasks.

The third cavernous assembly area is a wood paneled room that appears to have less of a real-time strategic purpose than the other two control rooms. This may be the “daily activities control center” that is more purposed for procurement meetings and less pressing military briefing and planning purposes. Once again, tablet computers, wrap around projection screens and elaborate light fixtures appear to be all the rage.


Based on fragmented reports, other command and control facilities within the National Defense Command Center seem to exist beyond the three primary ones. These include what appears to be a air combat command center, similar to America’s Combined Air Operations Center, from which Russia’s air campaign in Syria is being waged.
Also, a Russian Army meeting and control room was just opened, which is decorated in rich wood tones you would be more likely to find in an old court room than a military bunker. Based on these two additions, one would think that there would be something in the works for the Russian Navy as well.
Russia is trying to modernize its forces after decades of neglect, although that road has been a rocky one as the country has fallen into economic turmoil due to plummeting oil prices and international sanctions due to its seizing of Crimea and its involvement in the conflict in Ukraine. The National Defense Command Center is clearly one of these modernization projects, giving Russia a glitzy version of the Pentagon all their own.
We have no way of knowing how much of it is for show and how much of it is for function. Nor do we know for sure what other potential uses this gargantuan facility may hold.

Regardless of its true capabilities, it sure looks impressive, and in the end, maybe that is all that matters.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/ Is a website run by retards. Why post this shit here?

Don't think of it in terms of cost... think of it in terms of realistic testing in not so demanding conditions...

Firing long range conventional cruise missiles at targets no matter their monetary value is what they are designed for. Those conventional missiles are designed to be used... unlike the nuclear armed missiles I hope are never used.

this is what they designed them for so increased production and use will find any problems and allow real practise with in service crews instead of training teams.

Production will allow improvements and cost reductions and will allow development of not just the missiles themselves but the entire systems... from target detection using drones, manned aircraft, ground forces, and satellites, through to weapon selection and engagement and post attack analysis.

Not only that... but NATO is watching and is seeing the Russian AF do stuff that until recently it thought only NATO countries could do... in fact only perhaps the US, UK, and France could previously do on their own.

In the process they are helping an ally and getting revenge against ISIS for the attack on the airliner.

Sounds like money well spent to me.

When the conflict is over I can see things like aircraft and weapons will be sold widely in the region when it comes time to rebuild all those government military forces.

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Tu-160 bombing raid

Seems like a huge waste of fuel, why not just fly from engels ovr iran/iraq and then return back the same way? Would be much shorter flight times.

Very fake. Not even a single PC is on in front of the officers, except maybe the one controlling the pre-prepared stuff on the big screen
Putin is struggling to stay awake . Putin's yawning was noted by all observers.

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Tu-160 bombing raid

If that route is accurate then there's vlearly more to this than we think. This is basically Russia telling NATO countries: While we're on our way to do bomb runs in Syria just consider for a second what our strategic bombers can do to you, from any point.

ult wrote:http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/ Is a website run by retards.

I agree with you on this.

ult wrote:Why post this shit here?

Because i think it's interesting.

ult wrote:http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/ Is a website run by retards. Why post this shit here?

Yeah, just googled the headline myself and checked out the comments... What the fuck. I've seen some "russophobic" bullshit, but those are on another level. I guess the reactions prove how impressive that center looks. It must hurt.

Here: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/look-inside-putins-massive-new-military-command-and-con-1743399678

HAHAH WELL FOXTROTALPHA is one of the many US military enthusiast running site/blog on internet showing how Russian is junk and everything is all great about our Empire of Chaos.

Solncepek wrote:Because i think it's interesting.

More like facepalm-inducing. The pictures themselves have been posted on our forum many times before. And the comments are not time-worthy.

max steel wrote:



Very fake. Not even a single PC is on in front of the officers, except maybe the one controlling the pre-prepared stuff on the big screen
Putin is struggling to stay awake . Putin's yawning was noted by all observers.

That footage is from the briefing, right? So they were supposed to watch that pre-prepared stuff on the big screen and that's it. I guess the higher-ups work elsewhere, so they don't need PCs there. And doesn't Putin always look like that?

Neutrality wrote:

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Tu-160 bombing raid

If that route is accurate then there's vlearly more to this than we think. This is basically Russia telling NATO countries: While we're on our way to do bomb runs in Syria just consider for a second what our strategic bombers can do to you, from any point.

Now y'all are beginning to understand part of the reason for this tour d'force of strategic bombers coming from everywhere and missiles coming from a once vastly ignored river fleet in the Caspian. One should look at the Volga River canal just up from the Caspian. Understanding that this little river fleet can make it almost to Tver explains why EU is soiling their knickers.