Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

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also
http://izvestia.ru/news/597065

Personally I think Putin will not attack Turkey... killing Turks will not bring the Russians back to life.

What he will do is add to the air defences and fighter cover for all bombers, so it cannot happen again without immediate cost to the Turkish military.

I also think he will likely stop a few economic programmes with turkey and direct Russian money/trade elsewhere in the region as a punishment for bad faith.

Bombing turkey would do no good even if it was successful.

And for the comments about air to air weapons... this Su-24 had upgraded attack capability... they clearly did not intend it to be used against enemy fighters on its own.

The AMRAAM missile is not the super weapon some in the west like to pretend it is, though against an unaware enemy it gets results sometimes.

I doubt the F-16 used anything but an AMRAAM because I doubt they wanted to get too close to the target in case it turned on them.

I rather suspect Flankers will be equipped with R-77-1s which have been in production for the last three years... the fact that it has not been widely photographed on Russian fighters is a stupid argument... show me a photo of an in service Russian fighter with live AAMs on wing pylons and I will point out the black stripes indicating dummy rounds for practise.

The R-73 is still a benchmark weapon comparable to the latest available today in performance if not technology.

BTW posting images without warnings will be a problem and also pretty disrespectful too...

Reread the rules if you are not sure what to do... ask if you are still not sure.

arpakola wrote:

Look at Turkey's statement to UN: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour. The Su-24 would have had to be flying at stall speed."

The Su-24's max speed is 1,320 km/hour.

So if we assume the Su-24 was actually going much faster, was 17 seconds more like 5 seconds? Or perhaps even less?

mmm interesting..
You need to pay attention to the wording Putin use..
Putin is asking Russian nationals to leave Turkey..because it can be dangerous
there.

he says that they cannot rule out another incident with turkey against Russia..
and that if that happens ,they somehow will need to respond..and Russian citizens
could be in danger..

So ..
1)Putin is saying another attack on Russian airforce will be retaliated this time..
2) And that they are evaluating bombing Ankara..  

Because Russian nationals will not be in the border..but in touristical zones..
It looks like Putin is saying to Russians in Turkey to abandon Turkey because it will get
ugly there.. and a Turkey future aggression could force Russia to bomb Turkey capital.
for maximun psicological impact.  Perhaps Turkey intelligence services or a military base.
could be good options.

http://tass.ru/en/politics/839086

posting this ..because someone else noticed this too.. that they were more worried
not by the S-300s in Syria..but by Putin words asking Russian nationals to leave Turkey
because things could become dangerous for them. That a bomb wound them.. or that they retaliated by turkey citizens..


What is interesting is also that this warning of Russians to leave turkey could scare all tourist from Europe too.. ie.. and damage significantly Turkey tourism and economy. Thats seems a possibility the real goal of the warning . but it could be a real strong retaliation.

Like i said, deploy S-400, with all necessary decoys in IR, Radar decoys aswell dummies, several layered protection for S-400 just like they are in russia with SHORAD,SAM overlapping all deadzones of each other, deploying Bastion coastal defense and blocking the entrance of any ship close to the border a no Naval/Fly zone and then keep bombing the shit out of this turkmen terrorists who are fighting for isis against kurds and against Assad. They are terrorists by definition. Deploy and establish an electronic jamming sphere for anything within turkish border, hardly any reaction can come even if the dogs are barking. And as a super statement use against turkmen terrorists and their ISIS oil rutes FOAB at least 2 to make it very clear to who plays here the boss and is not erdocunt.

2) And that they are evaluating bombing Ankara.. Shocked

He does not say that, what he implied is that turks with their right wing fascist would create progroms against russians when Russia would kill their terrorist scum or their army scum after they would again violate international law and commit act of war.

GarryB wrote:Personally I think Putin will not attack Turkey... killing Turks will not bring the Russians back to life.

What he will do is add to the air defences and fighter cover for all bombers, so it cannot happen again without immediate cost to the Turkish military.

I also think he will likely stop a few economic programmes with turkey and direct Russian money/trade elsewhere in the region as a punishment for bad faith.

Bombing turkey would do no good even if it was successful.

And for the comments about air to air weapons... this Su-24 had upgraded attack capability... they clearly did not intend it to be used against enemy fighters on its own.

The AMRAAM missile is not the super weapon some in the west like to pretend it is, though against an unaware enemy it gets results sometimes.

I doubt the F-16 used anything but an AMRAAM because I doubt they wanted to get too close to the target in case it turned on them.

I rather suspect Flankers will be equipped with R-77-1s which have been in production for the last three years... the fact that it has not been widely photographed on Russian fighters is a stupid argument... show me a photo of an in service Russian fighter with live AAMs on wing pylons and I will point out the black stripes indicating dummy rounds for practise.

The R-73 is still a benchmark weapon comparable to the latest available today in performance if not technology.

BTW posting images without warnings will be a problem and also pretty disrespectful too...

Reread the rules if you are not sure what to do... ask if you are still not sure.

I follow what u are saying Garry.
BUT, extending that, we'd never lock up murderers.

And a response WILL prevent future murders against Russia.

Next it could be a Baltic, or some other country attacking Russia without provocation or justification.
Turdkey is like the person being informally spoken to by a cop, then he stabs the cop and runs off. Guilt.

As this thread is going on full speeds, i just want to sum up the events that took place :

So far it is known :
1) 1 Su 24 was downed by Turkish Air Force F16s.
2) Su 24 fell in 'Turkmen' controlled area
3) 1 pilot was shot and killed while landing - Body had bullet holes in the chest cavity.
4) 1 Mi 8 got underfire while carrying out a rescue op.
5) the Mi 8 was destroyed by a JAN TOW.

The Mi 8 was apparently to be destroyed by setting charges while another Mi 8 carried out the extraction. JAN was able to blow it before this could be done. No one was injured in this attack.

There were reports that a marine was martyred when the Mi 8 took fire from an AA gun. No reports.

The second Russian pilot is safe - as reported by Russian MoD and a bunch of official sources.

Now gentlemen - lets discuss this Op where the Russian and Syrian Special forces recovered the downed pilot. I have heard that the operation lasted anywhere from 6 - 12 hours and that the pilot was recovered from the other side of the border. The Spets flew behind enemy lines to carry out this maneuver.

Also what about the body of the downed Russian pilot ?? Was it recovered ?

ANNA news posted a video of it covering the rescue of the downed aircraft pilot.

Werewolf wrote:

He does not say that, what he implied is that turks with their right wing fascist would create progroms against russians when Russia would kill their terrorist scum or their army scum after they would again violate international law and commit act of war.

indeed.. sounds more possible..

Putin Signs Decree to Award 3 Heroes of Syrian Operation, 2 Posthumously  




BREAKING: Russia will deploy ‪S400‬ defense missile system to ‪‎Hmeymim‬ airbase in ‪Syria‬  



journalist to talk to saved pilot of Su-24 shot down by Turkey


Well He can tell us Exactly what happened.


US official says Russian SU-24 attacked by ‪#‎Turkey‬ in Syrian airspace :  walk-back begins    


US Special Forces Allegedly Start Training Rebels in Syria  


US Special Forces are reported to be on the ground in the Northern Latakia region of ‪#‎Syria‬ where the Russian SU-24 was shot down by ‪#‎Turkey‬, where they are training and arming ‪#‎Turkmen‬ jihadis of the 10th and 1st "FSA" Coastal Divisions.
These are the same Al-Qaeda allied (per Telegraph & AP) Turkmen jihadists that Erdogan is so upset Russia is bombing who murdered the Russian pilot who was parachuting to the ground and filmed themselves shooting down the Russian search and rescue helicopter that Russia sent to recover the pilots, killing another Russian marine.

Tell me - do you believe in ‪#‎coindcidences‬ like that? Because I don't.

Alexander Pozynich, the sailor / marine who lost his life when the Mi 8 took fire was awarded Order of Courage.





here is the source :

http://www.rbc.ru/politics/25/11/2015/56557c6b9a794764abea0c1a

max steel wrote:

arpakola wrote:

Look at Turkey's statement to UN: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour. The Su-24 would have had to be flying at stall speed."

The Su-24's max speed is 1,320 km/hour.

So if we assume the Su-24 was actually going much faster, was 17 seconds more like 5 seconds? Or perhaps even less?

It wouldn't have stalled, but it wasn't going much faster. As Said before, there's no reason for the SU to go that slow on foreign airspace, if they knew where they were. The plane would have been flying all out. SO indedwe should be looking at 200m/s roughly.thus about 9 seconds over Turkish territory. Which makes me wonder if the 17 second isn't the total time for both planes, thus one entering first and the second following one or two seconds behind. Also the fact they "picked" the second plane, while BOTH were clearing out, belies the notion that the plane didn't change course. This is preposterous and screams set up. But hey Turkish Army, born shitheads.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Somebody is going to pay! Tweeted by the MoD

@mod_russia: #КоллегияМО #Шойгу Этой ночью отработан план действий в связи с гибелью Су-24М. Мы не будем оставлять без внимания подобные инциденты

Link: https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/669456078086782976

Translation would be in order since not all members are fluent in Russian.

Footage of Syrian Army Rescuing Second Russian Pilot and Helicopter Crew (WITH ENG SUBS)

I don't trust the turks and their "radar images" especially since it is obvious that it was an ambush preplanned with the terrorist scum on the ground with TOW team, cameras and the subhuman scum killing pilot exactly where they parachuted.

Russian radar images show exact opposite and since they are not the aggressors it is pretty clear who is wrong and who is right.

Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

not sure if this was posted before. lots of BS coming out from Terror Turkey

So turkey announced it as official turkey is no more a laizist nation but an islamic state.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

max steel wrote:

arpakola wrote:

Look at Turkey's statement to UN: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour. The Su-24 would have had to be flying at stall speed."

The Su-24's max speed is 1,320 km/hour.

So if we assume the Su-24 was actually going much faster, was 17 seconds more like 5 seconds? Or perhaps even less?

It wouldn't have stalled, but it wasn't going much faster. As Said before, there's no reason for the SU to go that slow on foreign airspace, if they knew where they were. The plane would have been flying all out. SO indedwe should be looking at 200m/s roughly.thus about 9 seconds over Turkish territory. Which makes me wonder if the 17 second isn't the total time for both planes, thus one entering first and the second following one or two seconds behind. Also the fact they "picked" the second plane, while BOTH were clearing out, belies the notion that the plane didn't change course. This is preposterous and screams set up. But hey Turkish Army, born shitheads.

Crash footage shows that Su-24 had it's wings swept backwards so that means that it flew at much higher speed.

It skirted ( if it did at all) turkish airspace for maybe 5 second tops.

Turks are full of shit as usual.

Turkey has been waging an illegal war against Syria for years. Russia should have been more careful when flying close to the Turkish border. Turkey is NOT a partner of Russia. Turkey is an enemy of Russia.

Fuck you Turks:

''Russia bombards Syrian rebels near site of downed Russian jet''

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-bombards-syrian-rebels-near-downed-russian-jet-122428258.html

Can't wait for scorecard from MoD.

MSM can call them rebels all they want now, scientifically accurate term from now on is: corpses.

Any new updates about the Extermination of Turko Terrorists in northern syria?

It was actually known from 18 october

excerpt quote :

[Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President's staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to 'smother' Syria's Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.

“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday]

Just look at this Fidan faggot smugface :



I think this middleclass snob is responsible for entire SU24 incident.
He should be hunted down and eliminated so those idiots have proper idea what will happen to open terrorist scum in Turkey regardless their position.

Any one got a estimate of much of Syria/Turkey a lone S-400 system will cover atm? I'd love one.

Alparslan Çelik, the so called Turkman leader ordered the shooting of the pilots, is member of the Turkish fascist organisation Gray Wolfs
Wanted Dead or dead. Under his orders the SU24 pilot executed .

Shadåw wrote:Any one got a estimate of much of Syria/Turkey a lone S-400 system will cover atm? I'd love one.

All of Hatay area can be covered by a battery. Off course the use will be limited given the number of missiles available.

Turkey's biggest concern might be the SAA retaking the border area's with Turkey, they will be enemies for decades to come this is why they keep talking about a buffer zone. I personally think Iran is doing way too little in this conflict, they have a large population but there are even more Iraqis fighting alongside SAA whilst Iraq has it's own war.. Iran could easily send troops to speed it up, till now all I see are some old advisers.