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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

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    Post  medo Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:03 pm

    krakovv wrote:
    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.


    How much is the range on that last Ataka strike? Is it those 4 point something in the lower part of the screen?

    Yes, this bottom number in the range.
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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:16 pm

    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.


    Tone town your butthurt BS.

    1) Take a look at post #101 to see the machine gun. It uses 2A42 ammuntion.

    2) It took about 8 seconds for the missiles from launch to detonation in the video. If it was the Vikr ATGM then it would travel
    less than 600 m/s * 8 s = 4800 m since there is acceleration lag.

    3) The first vehicle managed to roll forward off the road. So even though the missile struck close to its front it did not take out
    neither the tires nor the front axel. That is a pathetic level of damage for an ATGM at this sort of proximity. So let's suppose
    this was an Ataka ATGM instead since it is less powerful than the Vikhr. Then we are back to point (2):

    the Ataka ATGM would travel less than 400 m/s * 8 s = 3200 m.

    4) The effective range of the 30 mm 2A42 ammunition is 4000 m.


    Go and buy a clue.
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    Post  Guest Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:24 pm

    kvs wrote:
    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.


    Tone town your butthurt BS.  

    1) Take a look at post #101 to see the machine gun.  It uses 2A42 ammuntion.

    2) It took about 8 seconds for the missiles from launch to detonation in the video.    If it was the Vikr ATGM then it would travel
    less than 600 m/s * 8 s = 4800 m since there is acceleration lag.  

    3) The first vehicle managed to roll forward off the road.   So even though the missile struck close to its front it did not take out
    neither the tires nor the front axel.   That is a pathetic level of damage for an ATGM at this sort of proximity.   So let's suppose
    this was an Ataka ATGM instead since it is less powerful than the Vikhr.   Then we are back to point (2):

    the Ataka ATGM would travel less than 400 m/s * 8 s = 3200 m.

    4) The effective range of the 30 mm 2A42 ammunition is 4000 m.


    Go and buy a clue.

    Its cannon to be precise.
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    Post  ult Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:40 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Tone town your butthurt BS.  

    1) Take a look at post #101 to see the machine gun.  It uses 2A42 ammuntion.

    2) It took about 8 seconds for the missiles from launch to detonation in the video.    If it was the Vikr ATGM then it would travel
    less than 600 m/s * 8 s = 4800 m since there is acceleration lag.  

    3) The first vehicle managed to roll forward off the road.   So even though the missile struck close to its front it did not take out
    neither the tires nor the front axel.   That is a pathetic level of damage for an ATGM at this sort of proximity.   So let's suppose
    this was an Ataka ATGM instead since it is less powerful than the Vikhr.   Then we are back to point (2):

    the Ataka ATGM would travel less than 400 m/s * 8 s = 3200 m.

    4) The effective range of the 30 mm 2A42 ammunition is 4000 m.


    Go and buy a clue.

    Learn the fucking difference between a 30mm cannon and a machine gun.

    The fuck are you talking about the Vikhr? It says УР-А = Управляемая Ракета - Атака right there on the screen. Can't you read?

    8 seconds? You do know that there is a counter on the Mi-28N's screen? Above the distance. And it says 17 seconds for the first missile and 11 seconds for the second.

    And nobody in their sane mind would fire a 30 mm from a helicopter 4 kilometers away.

    And you are gonna tell me to get a clue? Ahaha. You are clueless.
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    Post  Werewolf Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:40 pm

    If that would be a Vikhr it would have destroyed the truck in proximity detonation due its HE-Frag warhead, that is obviously an actual ATGM (AT) shaped charge and the blast is directed, the damage can't be that big for such kind of weapons in proximity use against objects. The operator is to blame not the ATGM aswell that is a Mi-28, i wouldn't use the 2A42 from NPPU-28 at such a range with only 250 rounds, the cannon itself is the best in its class, but the plattform and turreted weapon makes it inaccurate in undisciplined fire and the operator already screwed up second ATGM. UOF-8 HE-FI rounds for russian 30mm cannons have selfdetonation fuze after 5200m.
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:33 am

    The second missed because of the pilot trying to see better the target. I think, like Werewolf said, they didn't had good warehead because they are targeting the front of the truc, not in the middle.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:59 am

    I think rookie crew. Maybe even first sortie at that. Anyway, good experience. Very Happy
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    Post  ult Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:51 pm

    Russian and foreign media in historical part of Palmyra
    On Thursday, a group of foreign journalists arrived in Palmyra for the first time since the city had been liberated by Syrian army from terrorists.
    There are 27 persons in the group from 11 countries, including Germany, Italy, Belgium, China, and Serbia.

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    Post  Regular Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:03 pm

    After watching last Mi-28 videos. Looks like they also are using 9M120F warheads - bigger blast than in videos with vehicles.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:56 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:I think rookie crew. Maybe even first sortie at that. Anyway, good experience. Very Happy

    definitively a rookie crew.. but Russia government told before that Syria will be the place to
    train their pilots . So it possibly ,only the less trained pilots are send to those easy operations
    to chase civilian cars at night trying to smuggle weapons into zones under siege by Syrian army.

    The lazer aim needs to be a bit off the target while the missile is traveling so the smoke trail do not blocks the camera film and in the final 1km /300 meters centered on the target.


    BTw.. anyone knows who build the ancient Ruins in Palmyra ,Romans? and what purpose those
    infraestructure had there?  Is crazy to think that Rome managed to control middle east at some
    point. should had been amazing to see those cities ,when they were brand new and recently build. because still today in modern times with all the technology we have, the arquitecture of 2,000 years ago ,still is impressive to see by today standards. the same goes for egypt. Is like in some areas humanity are improving but in others when it comes to art we are moving backwards in time. lol
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    Post  Guest Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:55 pm

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    Ka-52 and Mi-28N attack helicopters at Al-Shayrat Air Base.
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    Post  Boshoed Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:41 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:I think rookie crew. Maybe even first sortie at that. Anyway, good experience. Very Happy

    definitively a rookie crew.. but Russia government told before that Syria will be the place to
    train their pilots . So it possibly ,only the less trained pilots are send to those easy operations
    to chase civilian cars at night trying to smuggle weapons into zones under siege by Syrian army.

    The lazer aim needs to be a bit off the target while the missile is traveling so the smoke trail do not blocks the camera film and in the final 1km /300 meters centered on the target.


    BTw.. anyone knows who build the ancient Ruins in Palmyra ,Romans? and what purpose those
    infraestructure had there?  Is crazy to think that  Rome managed to control middle east at some
    point. should had been amazing to see those cities ,when they were brand new and recently build. because still today in modern times with all the technology we have, the arquitecture of 2,000 years ago ,still is impressive to see by today standards. the same goes for egypt. Is like in some areas humanity are improving but in others when it comes to art we are moving backwards in time. lol
    Vann, the ruins are from a mixture of civilizations, they range from Babylonian ruins, to Roman, and Greek, and to the Crusaders.
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    Post  ult Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:47 pm

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:57 pm

    Hey whahobbits, you want some Mordor?
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:19 pm


    Some Wagner's music seems appropriate... russia
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    Post  ultron Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:53 pm

    the US buying arms from Bulgaria for Syria rebels

    http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

    If I were Putin I would supply 5.45 39 rather than 7.62 39 rounds to SAA. These are way nastier.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:57 pm

    ... there some noise in the background.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:28 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:... there some noise in the background.
    I thought I heard something as well, must have just been a gust of wind. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:09 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:... there some noise in the background.
    I thought I heard something as well, must have just been a gust of wind. Rolling Eyes

    i actually think it was someone farting to be honest. Very Happy
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    Post  KiloGolf Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:30 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Hey whahobbits, you want some Mordor?

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:22 am

    hahaha!
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    Post  ult Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:33 am

    Mi-24P in Latakia.

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    Post  ult Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:35 am

    Palmyra.



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    Post  ult Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:33 pm

    Mi-28N, Shayrat.


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