Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10

It can be interpreted in many ways;

a) in the long term these actions could have a negative effect in Russia; aka an increase of terrorisme on Russian soil. A side effect of current policy.
b) if Russia doesn't do what it is told we are going to do some nasty stuff on Russian soil. A direct threat.

Based on US history (regime change combined with creating an uprising) option b doesn't feel like some tinfoil. Every country has economic issues and there are always certain groups that are willing and open for outside influence that results in riots or simply terrorism.

What I find interesting, is the level of desperacy being displayed by the US and its partners. It is visibily increasing and I feel something is boiling. As known, Saudi Arabia is quickly approaching bankrupcy. Europe is not much better, Italian, Spanish banks are a mess. Greece needs more funding, and Deutsche Bank looks like a catastrophy. The US national situation is also increasingly getting worse, unemployment, rich/poor differences, racial issues, while their debt and need for funding cannot be easily financed anymore. We are back at old 'cold war' retoric and relations between Russia/US and China/US are detoriating to their lowest.

Feels like we are nearing a global default / collapse and the US desperately tries to keep the balance in their favor before things are falling apart.

Certainly is very desperate of Washington and they seem to lost all sense of any civilised behaviour and is very unstable.

I will add a third way of interpreting what Kirby said, and of course there are many more. I could be seen that Obama, those behind Obama, have via the words of Kirby given the command to their terrorist friends to now attack Russia in whatever way they can. Perhaps a little too tinfoil hat, but America is now so clearly unstable and dangerous that anything is possible. If Zakharova had said that American cities will be attacked if America does not toe the line, there would now be a firestorm from Washington and it's ass lickers, even to the level of mobilisation of NATO forces. This is not yet at level of Cuba crisis, but maybe close to 1973 when Brezhnev had three VDV divisions sitting in their aircraft on the runways ready to go to aid of Egypt when IDF crossed west over Suez canal. I think one of the divisions was actually in the air and on it's way before it all got calmed down.

-Even delivering weapons takes time. Sooner Aleppo gets gift wrapped the smoother it will be down the road.

-Arming terrorists works both ways and USA has more manpower and civilians exposed worldwide than Russia. Uncle Sam is more than aware of this.

-Saudis really are approaching fiscal disaster. I read news that OPEC will be cutting production soon. Just OPEC not OPEC and Russia.

-US senate overridden Hussein's veto on Saudi 9/11 lawsuit act yesterday. So while current crop of morons is willing to do Saudi bidding others seem less enthusiastic.


So I think that this is loads of salty butthurt from DC and nothing more. Even turks don't seem to be rushing to poke the bear lately despite Aleppo. Not a peep from them as we all noticed.



Question: how long does it take for Kuznetsov to sail from North down to Syria? I am curios about ETA.

famschopman wrote:It can be interpreted in many ways;

a) in the long term these actions could have a negative effect in Russia; aka an increase of terrorisme on Russian soil. A side effect of current policy.
b) if Russia doesn't do what it is told we are going to do some nasty stuff on Russian soil. A direct threat.

Based on US history (regime change combined with creating an uprising) option b doesn't feel like some tinfoil. Every country has economic issues and there are always certain groups that are willing and open for outside influence that results in riots or simply terrorism.

What I find interesting, is the level of desperacy being displayed by the US and its partners. It is visibily increasing and I feel something is boiling. As known, Saudi Arabia is quickly approaching bankrupcy. Europe is not much better, Italian, Spanish banks are a mess. Greece needs more funding, and Deutsche Bank looks like a catastrophy. The US national situation is also increasingly getting worse, unemployment, rich/poor differences, racial issues, while their debt and need for funding cannot be easily financed anymore. We are back at old 'cold war' retoric and relations between Russia/US and China/US are detoriating to their lowest.

Feels like we are nearing a global default / collapse and the US desperately tries to keep the balance in their favor before things are falling apart.

This is all very true, the Saudis are wasting/losing billions of dollars(the Saudis with drew $70 billion from their reserve of $700 billion and this was last year, since than they have made, many withdraws like that), EU is totally fucked, countries like Italy and Spain, are holding by a thin hair, I think it is just a matter of time before they have to, do what Greece did, start withdrawing from the accounts of their citizens and that never goes well, Greece will need a crap load of funding, US is a mess, unemployment, rich/poor differences, racial issues, their debt is out of control.

All Russia has to do is be patient, help clear out the terrorists from Syria, make more allies, make their military stronger, watch out for their allies and help out their allies, have all their interests covered, keep a close eye and ears on what what the Zionists are doing and what they are thinking about, have their media outlets ready, in case some false information is being made on Russia and be ready for everything and they are doing all of these things. The US will try a lot of dirty tricks now.

#IslamicState #Russian Fighter Threatens President Vladimir #Putin, Calls For Attacks On Russian Soil In New Video.
in a "right time"
https://videopress.com/v/DFXRDufV

Uncle Scam's threats are empty these days. Back during the 1980s the delivery of Stingers to the Mujaheddin did make a difference
since the USSR's tactics were not able to adapt fast enough. But today MANPAD deliveries are basically not newsworthy. It is in
the heads of clowns like McShitStain (McCain) that MANPADs will disable Russia's air operations in Syria. McShitStain and friends
need to deliver serious anti-aircraft systems to the "rebels" and not MANPADs if they want to actually make a difference. But
even these systems will be nullified by the Russian air force since Russian intel is good enough to pin down their location in a short
period of time and the jihadis ain't no modern army.

calm wrote:#IslamicState #Russian Fighter Threatens President Vladimir #Putin, Calls For Attacks On Russian Soil In New Video.
in a "right time"
https://videopress.com/v/DFXRDufV

As if:

1) they have not been trying to attack Russian soil since the 1990s.

2) they had no plans to ever do that.


So, more hot air from jihadi goat fuckers. Russia is present in Syria because it is fighting these vermin and is in it for the long haul.
These maggots will not succeed in frightening Russia off. Their previous terrorism in Russia failed and anything they try again will
fail as well. But rest assured that they will be pounded mercilessly. These retards need to keep to their goats and not bark as
if they are some superpower.

kvs wrote:Uncle Scam's threats are empty these days.   Back during the 1980s the delivery of Stingers to the Mujaheddin did make a difference
since the USSR's tactics were not able to adapt fast enough.   But today MANPAD deliveries are basically not newsworthy.   It is in
the heads of clowns like McShitStain (McCain) that MANPADs will disable Russia's air operations in Syria.   McShitStain and friends
need to deliver serious anti-aircraft systems to the "rebels" and not MANPADs if they want to actually make a difference.   But
even these systems will be nullified by the Russian air force since Russian intel is good enough to pin down their location in a short
period of time and the jihadis ain't no modern army.

If the US or Turkey are not providing manpads to the Syrian opposition is because they fear they can be used against their own aircrafts and the aircrafts of their allies (like Israel).

I tend to think that the little use of manpads against the Syrian Armed Forces has been done by own groups of these countries. Specially Turkish groups mixed between the forces of the opposition.

Khepesh wrote:

Now THATS a keeper!!

Anyone who makes a threat should expect a response. If this is real this could be it, real upping the anti stuff. NFZ ha ha.

This could put a lot more aircraft in theatre on top of those already there. Those big new aprons must be filling up. Get them into action now just in case the threatened MANPADs arrive.

How many aircraft in a Su-24/34 squadron? In another report it mentioned that the potential Su-25s had been modified compared to last time.

LATAKIA, SYRIA (4:40 P.M.) - A large squadron of Sukhoi Su-24 fighter jets reportedly arrived to the Humaymim Military Airfields near the coastal city of Jableh on Friday morning.

These Su-24 fighter jets are expected to take part in the upcoming aerial campaign against the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) in the vast Syrian Desert.

In addition to the arrival of the Su-24s, the Russians brought with them a squadron of Su-34 fighter jets to partake in the upcoming aerial campaign.

The Russian Air Force is also rumored to be bringing back the powerful Su-25 fighter jets to the Humaymim Military Airfields after a six month long hiatus.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/more-russian-su-24-fighter-jets-return-syria/

JohninMK wrote:Anyone who makes a threat should expect a response. If this is real this could be it, real upping the anti stuff. NFZ ha ha.

This could put a lot more aircraft in theatre on top of those already there. Those big new aprons must be filling up. Get them into action now just in case the threatened MANPADs arrive.

How many aircraft in a Su-24/34 squadron? In another report it mentioned that the potential Su-25s had been modified compared to last time.

LATAKIA, SYRIA (4:40 P.M.) - A large squadron of Sukhoi Su-24 fighter jets reportedly arrived to the Humaymim Military Airfields near the coastal city of Jableh on Friday morning.

These Su-24 fighter jets are expected to take part in the upcoming aerial campaign against the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) in the vast Syrian Desert.

In addition to the arrival of the Su-24s, the Russians brought with them a squadron of Su-34 fighter jets to partake in the upcoming aerial campaign.

The Russian Air Force is also rumored to be bringing back the powerful Su-25 fighter jets to the Humaymim Military Airfields after a six month long hiatus.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/more-russian-su-24-fighter-jets-return-syria/

The less interested in the proliferation of manpads in the area is Israel. Surely the strongest veto come from them and this will not change. Why until now the few manpads have not fired to the US or the Israeli aircrafts? because they are under control of their allies.

In this situation, where the proliferation of anti-aircraft weapons is very unlikely, there is room for the Su-25. Even for a sale of them to Syria. It is not likely to see another favourable scenario for the Su-25 in the future.

JohninMK wrote: How many aircraft in a Su-24/34 squadron?

12 aircraft would be normal but more could be present... ie if the planes are older model with a higher % of down time and / or two seat trainer versions are also sometimes added in.

Seems like the US & its vassals are pissed because they know the fall of east Aleppo will be a game-changer.

Some numbers from a year in Syria along with some analysis. Still lots of questions.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2157929.html

So how much has it's operations in Syria cost Russia...

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/how-much-year-syria-costs-russia/ri16759

http://tass.com/world/902927

Read somewhere that Putin gave a figure of around $460,000,000.

- A feature of Su-25 in Syria is that they were not used as attack aircraft, as well as the bomber, that is, they brought a bomb to the target and dropping them from great heights as well as the Sukhoi Su-24 and Su-34 - Anton Lavrov said. - However, in comparison with them, the Su-25 - the machine is simple and easy, it is easier to prepare for departure. If the Su-34 can make two flights a day, the Su-25 - up to 10 flights. Each plane has a few pilots. This allows you to strike almost continuously, and not to give militants respite.

The expert explained that every combat aircraft in Syria has its own specialization.

- Su-24 have better sights, they provide higher precision bombing in difficult conditions, the Su-34 with their optical-radar complex themselves can detect targets and specialize in high-precision weapons, and the Su-25 - a workhorse kind of truck bomb - said Anton Lavrov. - These aircraft were modernized and able to strike with an accuracy of 0.8 (corresponding to hit within a few meters of the target -. "News"). Automatic control system ensures the application of the bombing of the intelligence received from the coordinates, but only need to lift the aircraft into the air from the pilot and bring it into the target area.

Translation from this article;

http://izvestia.ru/news/635271

Some comic relief

franco wrote:So how much has it's operations in Syria cost Russia...

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/how-much-year-syria-costs-russia/ri16759

http://tass.com/world/902927

Read somewhere that Putin gave a figure of around $460,000,000.

Experience gained: priceless.

kvs wrote:

franco wrote:So how much has it's operations in Syria cost Russia...

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/how-much-year-syria-costs-russia/ri16759

http://tass.com/world/902927

Read somewhere that Putin gave a figure of around $460,000,000.

Experience gained: priceless.

Poke in eye of US: start of new world

AFP quoting the clown calling himself the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" who uses jihadi sources exclusively and putting
his ridiculous casualty figures under an equally ridiculous map. Note the upper western section of Syria, Latakia, this map makes it seem like nothing
has changed in the highlands region south of the Turkish border.

The NATO MSM is a pure lie factory.

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that all the Su-24M had been withdrawn months ago from Syria at the same time as the Su-25.

According to the article, based on analysis of satellite imagery can be concluded that the composition of the group of Russian combat aircraft at the Hamim has not changed quantitatively since the end of March 2016 and consists of 12 Sukhoi su-24M, four Sukhoi su-34, four su-30CM and four su-35S. The su-25 in pictures do not exist. According to the journal, this identical pattern is observed satellite images Hamim made 19, 21, 25 and 26 September 2016.



http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2160043.html

Nope, there were more Su-24M's before and there was a rotation of those there with new ones brought in. But there were 24 war planes left there.

The Russian parliament has indicated that it may ratify a new agreement for the deployment of a Russian air group at Hmeimim air base by the end of the week.

Any guesses about what this might look like this time?

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20161003/1045964491/russia-syria-air-base.html