Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

Hole wrote:Nice pics.

St Petersberg in June and dark at night?

At speed

Pantsir getting put back on

Pics!

Nice, you beat me to it!  

Notice how the dome on 3rd boat is so much bigger, flat higher?
If its not Mineral (or similar) it could be the SOTS radar from Pantsir-S2 but that would be weird since clearly there are 4 faces of that on the superstructure (unless those are actually not despite looking really really lots like it).

Some construction progress pics



This one is apparently Kerch


And a couple others against the wall

The radar is definetly bigger. A new version?

I believe its a Mineral & the first 2 have Positiv.
Gepard class has both Mineral & Positiv so gives good comparison


But there is also this pic which is the Pantsir-S2 antenna in a dome


Edit:
Direct comparison is a bit problematic though, I think Positiv for the first 2 is confirmed but the proportions of the 3rd don't match the Mineral dome

At Kronshtadt, presumably for Navy parade

There were rumors of engine trouble about the time of the pics of 3 against the wall but presumably minor.

More underway pics





Also apparently they may be renaming to Mytischi, Sovetsk, Odintsovo, and Kozelsk
I really liked the storm names

hoom wrote:.....
Also apparently they may be renaming to Mytischi, Sovetsk, Odintsovo, and Kozelsk
I really liked the storm names

Isn't it considered bad luck to change names of ships without really good reason?

Also, fact that tiny ships like these will be named after actual towns indicates that there will be much fewer ships built for Navy than even most pessimistic estimates predicted.

Are there just 20 towns in Russia?

Hole wrote:Are there just 20 towns in Russia?

Ignore his retardation.

I hope he knows Russia has more towns than 20.....

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:.....
Also apparently they may be renaming to Mytischi, Sovetsk, Odintsovo, and Kozelsk
I really liked the storm names

Isn't it considered bad luck to change names of ships without really good reason?

Also, fact that tiny ships like these will be named after actual towns indicates that there will be much fewer ships built for Navy than even most pessimistic estimates predicted.

So do you have anything to back that up or are you just using your crystal ball as usual?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_in_Russia

So there is over 1,100 towns.

Good to know, so they will build 1,100 ships then.

If they build a surface fleet with that many tolet seats it will be quite an accomplishment given the current trajectory

More pics as ever from Balancer
















Also partaking in Navy parade practice (from 15:22) with an Orlan-10 drone on the back.

Situation at Pella:

Yet more pics

When i see the empty space between the AK630´s i think that they could have easily fit a Redut system into it.

When i see the empty space between the AK630´s i think that they could have easily fit a Redut system into it.

Thats where the Pantsir-M is going on the 3rd+.
The big question is why they didn't put a Palash there on the first 2?

Just noticed there are three E/O systems on the back of the mast

2 of the periscope thingies & a small ball in the middle.
I'd thought having the 1 periscope in the middle of the bridge was a cost saving thing (most have one on each bridge wing) but 2 on the back & a ball kills that idea.
I guess the periscopes are tied to the AK-630s.
There is no ball on the frontal arc & its quite small so I guess either its mainly for keeping an eye on the decks aft or could it be some kind of laser/IR countermeasure?

Hole wrote:When i see the empty space between the AK630´s i think that they could have easily fit a Redut system into it.

You cant just put stuff because there seams to be enough room on the surface. On the third ship, the Pantsir-M system needed to raised on an additional platform because of the missiles in the hull itself.

The missiles alone for the Pantnsir are 3.2m long, not counting the mounts and other machinery that holds them, the length of the 9M96E missiles is 4.75 m, that's a lot higher than the back of the structure where the AK-630 are placed, at least by another 1.5 m.

I think there are a lot of tactical and financial reasons why building a small ship with sophisticated long range AD is not a good idea event if it can be technically done, things like: survivability, range/endurance, seaworthiness.

Generally, if you want a ship that can effectively deal with all 3 main types of threats, surface, sub-suface and air, you need at least a large corvette/small frigate, 105m in length minimum, which is exactly what you can see in practical examples of ships.

Why didnt the 1st 2 ships not have a Kashtan or Palma CIWS if the pantsyr wasnt ready?

miroslav wrote:

Hole wrote:When i see the empty space between the AK630´s i think that they could have easily fit a Redut system into it.

You cant just put stuff because there seams to be enough room on the surface. On the third ship, the Pantsir-M system needed to raised on an additional platform because of the missiles in the hull itself.

The missiles alone for the Pantnsir are 3.2m long, not counting the mounts and other machinery that holds them, the length of the 9M96E missiles is 4.75 m, that's a lot higher than the back of the structure where the AK-630 are placed, at least by another 1.5 m.

I think there are a lot of tactical and financial reasons why building a small ship with sophisticated long range AD is not a good idea event if it can be technically done, things like: survivability, range/endurance, seaworthiness.

Generally, if you want a ship that can effectively deal with all 3 main types of threats, surface, sub-suface and air, you need at least a large corvette/small frigate, 105m in length minimum, which is exactly what you can see in practical examples of ships.

I mean use Redut from the beginning. Instead of Pantsir. Raise the deck accordingly. Or use the small missile (9M100). 48 missiles instead of 32.

Redut would take up much more room then a Panster, you cannot just put everything under the sun on a ship that small, you gotta make compromises and I mean a ship having Panster M with all the other stuff it has is fine.

These aren't DD's.

Boop

What aesa radars are Karakurts using?