Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+29
Sujoy
Regular
Tingsay
TheArmenian
The-thing-next-door
Odin of Ossetia
kvs
nero
Hannibal Barca
par far
ahmedfire
Admin
franco
PapaDragon
RTN
miketheterrible
flamming_python
Vann7
Rodion_Romanovic
JohninMK
jhelb
Isos
Aristide
andalusia
DerWolf
nomadski
Hole
magnumcromagnon
George1
33 posters

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    avatar
    par far


    Posts : 3496
    Points : 3741
    Join date : 2014-06-26

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  par far Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:04 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ..china labs were of very high quality and they never saw any accident there.
    until it actually happened:

    ..the Chinese scientists created “variants of the virus … without malicious intent possibly aiming for an HIV vaccine. ..
    No one excludes that behind the scientists stood curators who directed actions in another direction which they needed. After all, it is known that the laboratory was partially funded by the notorious George Soros Foundation, which has an ambiguous reputation in the world.
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/wuhan-scientists-did-absolutely-crazy-21920746

    So it seems they hoped to develop a super vaccine but their super virus got out & infected Ms 1st.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/us/politics/trump-administration-intelligence-coronavirus-china.html

    I don't read ur long & boring posts- in them, there's nothing new to me. Take some English writing courses for a change!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GISdnkKPxW4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zixm-bB7e4


    You keep posting news from the US, you really think that they will post anything correct about China?
    avatar
    par far


    Posts : 3496
    Points : 3741
    Join date : 2014-06-26

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  par far Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:10 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Oh boy, the shaved Orangutan's comments about anti-Malarial drugs being the savior isn't aging well, and the jackass is dying to reopen the economy (for reelection purposes). When Stumpy Trumpy is dead set to prematurely end quarantine, it's going to prove to be akin to opening Pandora's Box!

    WHO envoy says COVID-19 drugs tested now prove ineffective
    In some cases these drugs help, according to Melita Vujnovic

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 1265137

    MOSCOW, April 30. /TASS/. The anti-coronavirus treatment currently tested has proved to be ineffective in treating patients and can help only in some cases, the World Health Organization (WHO) Representative in Russia Melita Vujnovic said in an interview with TASS on Thursday.

    "A group of independent scientists has virtually confirmed to the WHO that no drugs that are being tested now have yielded any serious effect on the treatment’s results. But in some cases these drugs help," Vujnovic said.

    The envoy explained that one of projects of the Solidarity program overseen by the UN health agency is aimed at searching for a drug that could successfully combat diseases caused by the coronavirus. Russia could also join the program, she noted.

    "Now more than 100 countries have joined the program and Russia is joining it. Patients above 18 will be selected to take part. One of four protocols of drugs will be tested on them, which are currently used in the world. There is one new experimental treatment that will be also used," Vujnovic said.

    The Solidarity program is aimed at developing an effective anti-coronavirus vaccine. At least 70 countries have confirmed participation in it. According to the WHO plans, the program should help reduce the time of clinical trials of the vaccine, which usually take at least several months, by five times due to the global database of research results. Adult patients with COVID-19 in hospitals can take part in these tests.

    https://tass.com/society/1151941

    It should be noted these anti-Malarial drugs were never the panacea golden goose egg that people were claiming. There's countless examples of Gulf War veterans experiencing erratic psychotic episodes (Gulf War Syndrome) post deployment, and it's largely been linked to anti-Malarial drugs they were given. VVP did also say a proper vaccine would take a year to synthesize, but the real question remains is if this pandemic lasts all the way to November will they suspend the U.S. election and potentially face the consequences of such an act? Will they go cyber and still claim hacking?Rolling Eyes


    To be fair to Trump, other countries were saying that anti-Malarial drugs was effective at first. When India banned sales of the anti-malarial because they wanted to have it in stock, people thought they would work, India than eased the banned the ban and sent it to several countries, so these countries thought that they would be effective. They still could be effective, I don't trust these WHO fuckers and their "research" for a second.
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri May 01, 2020 12:16 am

    You keep posting news from the US, you really think that they will post anything correct about China?
    Even Chinese themselves don't know enough of or want to reveal the whole truth. What I post doesn't mean I take a particular side on any issue. It means I present topics from different angles for more objective analysis.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52493073

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7TvV91UsOw
    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 40523
    Points : 41023
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  GarryB Fri May 01, 2020 6:10 am

    The US are only interested in the truth if it is useful.... you can ask Assange and Snowden and Manning about that...
    avatar
    Vann7


    Posts : 5385
    Points : 5485
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Vann7 Fri May 01, 2020 10:10 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ..china labs were of very high quality and they never saw any accident there.
    until it actually happened:

    But you haven't provided a single shred of evidence any accident happened..
    so what kind of intelligence you have that no one else have , did you were present in the lab
    and saw the accident happened  ? You again choose to ignore facts.. things that can be verified that the virus began somewhere else ,and not in wuhan by tracing the date when it began ,it was an old virus ,when first china discover it.. so somewhere else had to be causing troubles. if reports from scientist in france and britain
    tracing the virus can't be trusted.. then explain your sources troll, and stop re-posting the same bullshit again and again that have been debunked already .  france scientist are now saying the virus began in their country..  lol1  so how could it be wuhan ,if the virus began in france?  lol1

    The only bio lab virus accident until now confirmed ,happened in american labs
    not in china..  


    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 05germlab1-superJumbo




    Safety concerns at a prominent military germ lab have led the government to shut down research involving dangerous microbes like the Ebola virus.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html


    more inconvenient "boring" facts.. for trolls to ignore  lol1
    the next video is a very good summary of all facts ,that connects US elites and US military
    with the virus in wuhan..

    Unambiguous evidence💥 Coronavirus leaked from Fort Detrick



    So bad was the accident that the lab was shut down for months..  
    this is all over in US media.. not even denied..  lol1
    They even mention the virus was "like ebola".. which falls in line with the similarities
    found by china with  Sars-cov2 (covid-19) have with ebola.. ,reason why ebola vaccines provided by russia
    to china worked most times in recovering almost completely chinese people with covid-19 in wuhan.
    .in any serious international court , an american military delegation being present at the crime scene
    when US is in a major anti chinese crusade ,accusing it of being the one to blame for the virus ,
    will be a serious information ,that cannot be ignored so easily as you love to do ,because doesn't fit your
    deceiving agenda ,and  contradict your bullshit narrative. . you claim it to be "boring" and "not convincing" any facts ,but have no problems to embrace any rumor or conspiracy by "anonymous sources" not proven by anyone to be correct. .. because you are a troll.. but for anyone serious and with any level of honesty will be a major important information that challenge the western narrative.

    You have been proven wrong many times , you first claimed there was a real crisis in new york city
    and that have been debunked , with my thousands of previous videos ,with evidence ,just like i told you
    many times, they are inflating their numbers.. this is clear as water evidence that your government is hiding something... tampering the evidence of how covid-19 behave in your country and this is clear criminal behavior ,encouraged from the top of the government to the entire department of health..show clear intention to deceive the world..with fake information ,to make it impossible to investigate a real virus crisis the world face.

    This proven fact alone ,that US is deceiving the world,intentionally with fake numbers ,fake information , this alone constitute a major crime on its own , because is a clear sabotage attempt ,to any  real investigation
    by the international community.  which makes them a clear suspect of being the real authors of covid-19.
    if they are lying so much.. and trying to put the blame on china..without releasing any evidence ,to backup
    their claims , then this place US as the number #1 suspect ,mastermind of this pandemic crime/pandemic accident.. and not china as you claim.

    summary of the last video above..
    chronology of events ,that started the virus..



    7/2019, the top secret US army’s medical research institute of infectious diseases at Fort Detrick was closed;
    7/2019, a Chinese researcher was escorted from an infectious disease lab amid RCMP investigation in Canada and removed permanently from the lab;
    7/2019, the U.S. axed the CDC expert job in China months before the virus outbreak;
    8/2019, a large-scale "influenza" broke out and killed more than 22,000 people around the US;
    9/2019, vaping-related emergency room visits peaked in September, 2,602 Cases and 59 Deaths. Syptoms of the vaping lung disease very similar to COVID-19: Chest pain, difficulty breathing, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea;
    9/2019, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases gave Greffex Inc, a $18,900,000 contract to develop Coronavirus vaccine. The contract was given to a Texas-based genetic engineering company;
    10/2019, the United States organized Event 201 - A Global Pandemic Exercise with the participation of the Deputy Director of CIA;
    10/2019, Wuhan held the 2019 World Military Games. The US sent a team of  369 members (ie, 172 players )trained just beside For Detrick Lab. The US team stayed just several hundreds feet away from the South China Seafood Market that became the epicentre of the outbreak later. Five US soldiers were diagnosed with “malaria” during the Games and were sent back to the US separately by a US military plane. Comparing the symptoms of the malaria with those of the COVID-19,  people will find they share almost 100% similarity to each other in symptoms in the first phase. Also so weirdly shocking is the medication Chloroquine for malaria is so far the most effective medicine available for the COVID-19 . That could explain the possibility for the Chinese doctors to have misdiagnosed the malaria of the US soldiers that had actually been the COVID-19. Most weird is the US team got only three silver and five bronze medals during the Games, which raises a series of question: Who are they? What are they doing in Wuhan? If the five soldiers are still alive, can the US let the five "malaria" soldiers be retested for the COVID-19 anti-body?
    11/2019, US intelligence agencies started tracking coronavirus outbreak in China as early as November, even earlier than the CDC of China was informed;
    11/2019, pneumonia of undetermined origin was found in China;
    1/2020, Dr Helen Y. Chu, an infectious disease expert in Seattle, tried to conduct early tests for the new Coronavirus but ran into red tape before circumventing federal officials and confirming a case;
    2/2020, the epidemic in world broke out;
    2/20/2020, New York Post headlines “Texas-based Company has reportedly created a Coronavirus vaccine”;
    3/2020, a large number of English news reports about the close of Fort Detrick were deleted, displaying “404 not found” .
    Now we have reasons to ask the US government to publish the real reason for the close of Fort Detrick, to clarify whether the laboratory is the research unit for the new coronavirus.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/coronavirus-covid-19-made-in-china-or-made-in-america/5706272
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/ncov-2019-coronavirus-time-line/5705776
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv-idUSKBN21910S
    https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/us-intelligence-agencies-started-tracking-coronavirus-outbreak-in-china-as-early-as-november/
    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-leaked-intelligence-report-shows-us-was-warned-about-covid19-in-november/news-story/f46254a64f98f393d9935585611fa77b
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/vaping-illness-tracker-evali.html
    https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117
    https://www.globalvillagespace.com/coronavirus-was-a-creation-of-cia-biological-weapon-lab-of-the-us/
    https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/us-intelligence-agencies-started-tracking-coronavirus-outbreak-in-china-as-early-as-november/
    https://www.businessinsider.my/vaping-lung-diseases-may-be-linked-black-market-marijuana-products-2019-9
    https://www.techspot.com/news/81793-deadly-vaping-related-lung-disease-claims-lives-four.html


    99% of the information provided is evidence ,that is verifiable information ,that can be confirmed.
    that shows that not only US knew of the pandemic ,before it happened, but that they did faced an
    accident with a corona virus like virus in maryland  ,and that US military delegation , who travel
    to china , were not only present at the epic center of the virus in china in wuhan.. but also at the epic center
    of the zone where the virus leaked in maryland in fort detrick.. Laughing

    So not one but TWO amazing coincidences with the same military soldiers ,being present in the wrong places ,two times where viruses were spreading like wildfire.. on population.. lol1  so try again troll ,the virus
    began in United States  and not in china.. and likely was a terrorist attack on china and not an accident,
    their artificially inflated numbers covid19 numbers.. is how they hide ,their hands from ,to pretend to be victims
    and drive away the attention of the world to china as the one to blame and not to US .


    Hero doctor attacked for exposing the covid19 fraud in america.




    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri May 01, 2020 1:17 pm

    ..the virus began somewhere else ,and not in wuhan..
    If it did, it was a different virus; the real epidemic started in Wuhan & other places where people went from there.
    The US lab was closed after the funding was cut & program ordered to be stopped. The epidemic started in the US only after it did in China & Europe. I don't want to waste my time replying to ur so called theory.
    How do I know that u r not a troll paid by China?
    avatar
    par far


    Posts : 3496
    Points : 3741
    Join date : 2014-06-26

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  par far Fri May 01, 2020 1:56 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    You keep posting news from the US, you really think that they will post anything correct about China?
    Even Chinese themselves don't know enough of or want to reveal the whole truth. What I post doesn't mean I take a particular side on any issue. It means I present topics from different angles for more objective analysis.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52493073

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7TvV91UsOw



    The notion that China hided this is completely false, they let the WHO know in January, the intelligence agencies of west knew what was going on. The news from west are only blaming China without giving evidence. The West is using the same playbook when they invaded Iraq for the WMD that they never found and when the West accused Russia of invading Ukraine and top diplomats of west were caught saying that they spent $5 Billion to bring democracy to Ukraine(we all know what kind of democracy they bought to Ukraine), while fucking the EU.


    Last edited by par far on Fri May 01, 2020 2:07 pm; edited 1 time in total
    avatar
    par far


    Posts : 3496
    Points : 3741
    Join date : 2014-06-26

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  par far Fri May 01, 2020 2:03 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ..the virus began somewhere else ,and not in wuhan..
    If it did, it was a different virus; the real epidemic started in Wuhan & other places where people went from there.
    The US lab was closed after the funding was cut & program ordered  to be stopped. The epidemic started in the US only after it did in China & Europe. I don't want to waste my time replying to ur so called theory.
    How do I know that u r not a troll paid by China?



    If the US lab closed before all this started, than the US should have no problem sending in "safety inspectors" and experts from the international community(this is the way that the US always like to do to other countries.) If China is to "investigated" than other countries should be "investigated" also.
    Ho do we know that you are not a paid troll by the US?
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri May 01, 2020 2:43 pm

    I don't deny any Western involvement in the pandemic, but there r many unknowns & it's better to look at all sides of the issue to be objective.
    https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-05-01-20-intl/index.html?utm_term=15883282070301988d100c9c6&utm_source=Five+Things+for+Friday%2C+May+1%2C+2020&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=202903_1588328207034&bt_ee=W%2Fd4RQdJN66NsGcRrgIWfJ0Q9v%2FPewXk5MjlF2oNQeWC%2BcG%2FhMQJl4%2BP3F8Az4NY&bt_ts=1588328207034

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4EfXh_RtHo

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/health/report-covid-two-more-years/index.html?utm_term=15883282070301988d100c9c6&utm_source=Five+Things+for+Friday%2C+May+1%2C+2020&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=202903_1588328207034&bt_ee=W%2Fd4RQdJN66NsGcRrgIWfJ0Q9v%2FPewXk5MjlF2oNQeWC%2BcG%2FhMQJl4%2BP3F8Az4NY&bt_ts=1588328207034

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/monster-germ-protocol-comes-under-the-microscope/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=5b6e348e6a-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_05_01_10_26&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-5b6e348e6a-31607385&mc_cid=5b6e348e6a&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/no-rural-refuge-for-covid-19-unemployed-thais/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=5b6e348e6a-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_05_01_10_26&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-5b6e348e6a-31607385&mc_cid=5b6e348e6a&mc_eid=5455568640
    kvs
    kvs


    Posts : 15854
    Points : 15989
    Join date : 2014-09-10
    Location : Turdope's Kanada

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  kvs Fri May 01, 2020 7:15 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/feds-probe-substantial-contractual-relations-between-university-texas-and-wuhan-biolab

    So the yanquis had a finger in the biolab they are accusing of "starting" the pandemic. Smells bad, real bad. Of psyop.

    kvs
    kvs


    Posts : 15854
    Points : 15989
    Join date : 2014-09-10
    Location : Turdope's Kanada

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  kvs Fri May 01, 2020 7:18 pm

    par far wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    You keep posting news from the US, you really think that they will post anything correct about China?
    Even Chinese themselves don't know enough of or want to reveal the whole truth. What I post doesn't mean I take a particular side on any issue. It means I present topics from different angles for more objective analysis.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52493073

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7TvV91UsOw



    The notion that China hided this is completely false, they let the WHO know in January, the intelligence agencies of west knew what was going on. The news from west are only blaming China without giving evidence. The West is using the same playbook when they invaded Iraq for the WMD that they never found and when the West accused Russia of invading Ukraine and top diplomats of west were caught saying that they spent $5 Billion to bring democracy to Ukraine(we all know what kind of democracy they bought to Ukraine), while fucking the EU.  

    Indeed. The whole "China is guilty of starting Covid-19" line is pure BS. Even if the virus first started to spread in China, that is not automatic guilt
    of anything. If the virus started out in some African country, would the USA claim that it was guilty of starting the pandemic also? We live on
    one planet and one biosphere. And shit does happen.

    Since the misnamed "Spanish" flu pandemic of 1918 started in the USA, the world should demand compensation from the yanquis. What is good for
    the goose is good for the gander.

    avatar
    Vann7


    Posts : 5385
    Points : 5485
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Vann7 Fri May 01, 2020 7:48 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ..the virus began somewhere else ,and not in wuhan..
    If it did, it was a different virus; the real epidemic started in Wuhan & other places where people went from there.
    The US lab was closed after the funding was cut & program ordered  to be stopped. The epidemic started in the US only after it did in China & Europe. I don't want to waste my time replying to ur so called theory.
    How do I know that u r not a troll paid by China?

    and how do you know ,it was a "different virus" ... how do you know? guess what?
    you don't know.. you are just making things up ,to find an excuse to blame china.
    like i told you troll... france and britain scientist have done investigations tracing the virus...
    and they both are saying covid-19 did not started in wuhan.. france scientist study believe ,
    france already had the virus in their cities ,about the same time china also had theirs.. and this is
    from people that did not travel.. and in the information provided earlier , US was suffering from unknow
    virus ,that behaved exactly like covid-19 . the fact that american delegation who travel to wuhan, where in
    not one , but in two zones ,that a virus outbreak began..fort detrick maryland and wuhan fish market..
    this is an incredible coincidence or indeed it was them who passed the virus to china..

    the fact that your countrygovernment,lying and cheating ,and intentionally artificially inflating the numbers
    of their covid-19 , makes them suspect of being behind of the virus that the world is facing.. because like i told you a million of times... it will have been obvious that US was behind the virus.. if the entire world get sick
    and they not..   since the international community will be questioning why they have the virus and US not.
    So for US to falsify their reports intentionally inflate their numbers ,is a crime on its own ,because they are
    intentionally seeking to sabotage the investigation ,by blaming china without even an international investigation being done.this is the typical pshychopats behaviour of criminals that are trying to hide their crimes..

    you are in total denial from the start.  is as simple as that , and ignore powerful Circumstantial evidence ,and ignore facts.. that does not fit your narrative.
    there is no evidence covid-19 began in the world first in china , china was only the first nation to report about it.. but not necessarily is smoking gun proof ,that it was in china where it really started .

    only that china was first to report of this virus in their country.. .US could have well have been hiding
    their virus outbreak in US  in fort detrick as early as summer 2019 a couple months earlier than wuhan games.. began.only time will proof that the virus was already in US ,when it began in china..  already france government is saying this.. so this will destroy any claim ,that china is to blame for the virus that europe experience ,even less the one that US have.
    avatar
    par far


    Posts : 3496
    Points : 3741
    Join date : 2014-06-26

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  par far Fri May 01, 2020 11:55 pm

    "Remdesivir approved for emergency use for Covid-19 treatment in US despite lackluster clinical trials."


    These same assholes will accuse Russia and China for not making their vaccines good enough but these assholes can use their own crap.


    https://www.rt.com/usa/487596-remdesivir-approved-fda-testing/
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat May 02, 2020 12:15 am

    and how do you know ,it was a "different virus" ... how do you know?
    if it was the same virus, the pandemic would've started earlier & in multiple places, as the Covid-19 virus is easily transmittable & can exist in warmer air than the flu virus.
    The variety of symptoms caused by the Covid-19 in infected people show that it's likely a combination of different viruses. It's possible that several viruses mutated &/ mixed up & exchanged genes, or a new virus was developed from them in labs. Even virologists r not of the same opinion- & they know them a lot better than us!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MIsb2-uEwI

    "Remdesivir approved for emergency use for Covid-19 treatment in US despite lackluster clinical trials."
    They r now desperate. Trump can't boast about his achievements in the economy- they were wiped out by the pandemic, & he wants to be able to re-start "making America great again" to get re-elected.
    If people die from the drug, he can say: we tried under emergency circumstances as nothing else was ready. So, it's a big gamble.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE7WYcGJV2I

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8AOuKUlH3g


    Last edited by Tsavo Lion on Sat May 02, 2020 1:11 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : add links)
    Aristide
    Aristide


    Posts : 1075
    Points : 1165
    Join date : 2017-12-31
    Age : 27
    Location : Aix-en-Provence

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Aristide Sat May 02, 2020 1:28 am

    What strikes us in France is, that Germany does so well in the pandemic, while we do much worse. In Germany its like a harsh flu, they have an excellent healthcare system and do fine. In France its bad. Of course we do better than China, USA, Italy or Spain but we get reports they simply euthanized elderly people. Guess thats what you get with a bankster president...
    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 9526
    Points : 9584
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  flamming_python Sat May 02, 2020 5:39 am

    Aristide wrote:What strikes us in France is, that Germany does so well in the pandemic, while we do much worse. In Germany its like a harsh flu, they have an excellent healthcare system and do fine. In France its bad. Of course we do better than China, USA, Italy or Spain but we get reports they simply euthanized elderly people. Guess thats what you get with a bankster president...

    They might also be counting coronavirus deaths differently.

    Like the cause of death. Because the methodology and definitions seems to vary across different healthcare systems.
    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon


    Posts : 13471
    Points : 13511
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  PapaDragon Sat May 02, 2020 6:07 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Aristide wrote: .

    They might also be counting coronavirus deaths differently.

    Like the cause of death. Because the methodology and definitions seems to vary across different healthcare systems.


    We have Montenegro here next door which miraculously have almost ZERO infection rate and are on their way to declaring pandemic over

    Keep in mind that they do pretty much zero testing and that the precious tourist season is rapidly approaching (none of which has anything to do with one another, no sir Cool )

    ahmedfire
    ahmedfire


    Posts : 2366
    Points : 2548
    Join date : 2010-11-11
    Location : The Land Of Pharaohs

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  ahmedfire Sat May 02, 2020 7:26 am

    Long but good article

    Why the Coronavirus Is So Confusing
    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 40523
    Points : 41023
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  GarryB Sat May 02, 2020 8:07 am

    Keep in mind that they do pretty much zero testing and that the precious tourist season is rapidly approaching (none of which has anything to do with one another, no sir

    Well that sort of attitude is not going to bite them in the ass I am sure... Shocked

    I did see one report from the US where at the state level deaths are attributed to the virus because then it is covered under federal law instead of state law so any costs are paid for by the US instead of the local state.

    Scary thing is that so many can't afford the expensive treatment they are not getting tested and are likely to die at home... but that means it is more likely they will spread the disease amongst friends and family too... not good.
    avatar
    Tingsay


    Posts : 183
    Points : 185
    Join date : 2016-12-09

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Tingsay Sat May 02, 2020 9:02 am

    Russia is entering peak season now. 9000+ new cases in a day. Bumpy week ahead.
    avatar
    Vann7


    Posts : 5385
    Points : 5485
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Vann7 Sat May 02, 2020 9:45 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    if it was the same virus, the pandemic would've started earlier & in multiple places, as the Covid-19 virus is easily transmittable & can exist in warmer air than the flu virus.

    Then how can anyone know didn't started in US first  , if your gov choose to hide it from the world ?
    as they were hiding in feb,march and most of april. that they were funding the wuhan lab too , and this
    does not come into the light of public knowledge discussed in white house press briefings ,until DR Rashid buttar.. in a video in youtube ,that became viral with millions of views , exposed the covid19 fraud in US first.
    when he told the chinese thing is a diversion.. that it doesn't matter where the virus began.. that it was US
    the one that planned the entire thing.. want me to post that video again to "Refresh your memory" ?  Laughing

    DR RASHID BUTTAR told...

    The china accusations is a diversion (a distraction to drive away the attention of the real issue)..
    that it doesnt matter where the virus started , if in wuhan or in US .. that the entire thing was funded and
    planned by the American elite.. from the start and allowed it to happen.. because they wanted it to happen.

    and according to DR RAshid buttar.. is not china the one to blame for covid19 but your government dude..

    So US can easily hide any virus anywhere.. any time they want..
    all they need to do in 2019 when fort detrick accident happen and thousands die ,is write
    on their death certificates "influenza" instead of covid19 and done..
    later send a delegation of worth less people for US military infested with covid19 and done..
    So to say ,they can't fake it.. hide it.. is incorrect.. they can do that.. and they are faking
    their numbers.. so what makes you think ,they not faking also ,the causes of deaths in 2019..
    as they now doing in 2020 ? Wink is the same thing.. difference is now in 2020 they write in ,
    in people death certificate "covid did it" whenever they can do it.. ,and in 2019 they could have
    write in, their death certificates , "influenza did it" and done.. they are doing that lie now..
    falsifying their death certificates.. what makes you think they did not lie in 2019 too ?

    and why will they do such a monstrous thing ? easy.. to blame china for the virus ,
    and force them to pay for it,, ie.. sabotage their economy.. something they wanted to do anyway.
    but now they using a virus ,when sanctions where not doing the job fast enough. Cool

    and so you will not be aware ever of where the virus really started..
    if your government lie about it.. cheat and falsify people real cause of deaths. very simple in practice.
    but problematic in practice as now they discovering ,because more and more american patriots doctors
    speaking openly of this fraud. russia
    .


    so is kind of funny and ironic , that there is smoking gun evidence your government..
    falsify your deaths in 2020 from feb 2020  to may 2 2020  they label all deaths (whenever is possible)
    to covid19.. after china reported their first death..
    But... from summer 2019 to january 2020, it was the other way.. there is evidence they labelled covid19 death , as "influenza" and later was corrected with an authopsy after family members protested. Laughing
    .so there is mountains of evidence dude ,US is playing games with their covid19 deaths.
    certify it as "influenza" when is convenient and "covid19" when they need it. this allows them
    to blame china and not their own military for infesting american people with a virus.
    so bad what they doing No

    if you were just a little bit more serious ,with a little bit more honesty..
    you will at very least concede the possibility ,that they are  ... lying

    with where the virus really began..  just like they are lying with their numbers .

    so is confirmed...
    US IS lying intentionally its covid19 real numbers ...check..
    US IS lying intentionally claiming their hospital collapsing when they not.. check..
    on top pressuring your doctors and funderal to lie also about their reports , and write in everyone
    as a covid19 death..

    so.....
    if they  lie so much , that is so ridiculous ,about what is really going on america with covid19.
    what makes you think they are for real.. yea sure.. telling the truth , that they had nothing to do with the virus china face?  as china accused them?  lol1  or that "it was an Accident" in wuhan lab? how it all started ?  
    You really think people are stupid ,and you can point to an obvious fraud already exposed in the open,
    that is US plan-demic crisis , and still pretend that US gov have any credibility left ,related to covid19.  No

    excuse me.. but i don't believe it.. not in a million of years.. like i told you before ,you will convince me ,that there is a fraud in new york is so called "pandemic crisis".. that US is telling the truth on anything..
    they are actually lying so much , that is even funny.. because now they don't bother to fake it..
    when you see trump and pence ,not even
    covering their faces.. and not even recommending people to use face mask either..  Shocked  
    and leaving it to people ,if they want to use it or not..even in places  with people infested with viruses..  Shocked  

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 200428-mike-pence-mayo-clinic-ew-333p_ae5733e9279dec9d834a77e0fd6520d9.fit-2000w

    Perhaps they are vaccinated already from the virus.. before it even began in china.
    and this is why they feel like superman.. untouchable and invisible . and not afraid
    of being infested by covid19 .  Neutral

    And you know why your leaders don't even bother to fake it. dude??
    and join those actors ?   thumbsup
    is not because the "american culture" is different.. as you claimed it..  Laughing
    why they not serious with their pandemic.. and allow the virus spread from city to city state to state freely.
    but because they know they will have their clowns and actors in the media ,in their hospitals and in the internet
    like you , that will be ready to assist and "explain it all" any way..thinking we are stupid and will not notice
    the fraud.. so why bother to fake it ,if your media and its trolls will be there to explain it anyway,
    how "bad" is their crisis ,that US face    Neutral   Rolling Eyes    lol1

    So if they hiding the truth of the real crisis or lack of they face..
    if it is confirmed they falsifying left and right their numbers to deceive the world and deceive americans.
    if they hiding their evidence ,not releasing to the public ,what  they use to claim ,that it all began
    in chinese lab and that china is to blame for it..  a very serious accusation like that ,deserve very serious
    evidence..

    so what makes  you think that this time ,is for real..Rolling Eyes  that  they are not also lying too ,
    when they claim ,they have nothing to do with the virus in wuhan ..and not hiding too the real cause
    of their thousands of deaths in US of a respiratory decease ,covid like behavior illness that was spreading like wildfire in US ?   No


    Last edited by Vann7 on Sat May 02, 2020 11:52 am; edited 1 time in total
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat May 02, 2020 11:46 am

    U write like a provincial low educated & ignorant 20 year old, cherry picking sources that support only ur conjectures.
    Don't expect me or any1 else to think the same way u do.
    As usual, it's all about $: https://iz.ru/1006616/anna-urmantceva/kandidat-ot-shtatov-remdesivir-ne-pomozhet-pri-lechenii-covid-19



    Last edited by Tsavo Lion on Sat May 02, 2020 2:27 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : add link)
    kvs
    kvs


    Posts : 15854
    Points : 15989
    Join date : 2014-09-10
    Location : Turdope's Kanada

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  kvs Sat May 02, 2020 1:07 pm

    Tingsay wrote:Russia is entering peak season now. 9000+ new cases in a day. Bumpy week ahead.

    If you look at the new daily cases curves for different countries you notice some universal characteristics. The
    initial ramp to a peak (Italy) or oscillating plateau (Canada, USA) takes about 20 days. Russia is about to enter
    the initial peak window this week. It is not going to see 30,000 per day of new cases or even 15,000 per day
    of new cases. It looks like it will hover around 10,000 at the peak.

    What will be seen only over a week from now is if it peaks or stalls in a plateau like Canada.

    kvs
    kvs


    Posts : 15854
    Points : 15989
    Join date : 2014-09-10
    Location : Turdope's Kanada

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  kvs Sat May 02, 2020 1:09 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Aristide wrote:What strikes us in France is, that Germany does so well in the pandemic, while we do much worse. In Germany its like a harsh flu, they have an excellent healthcare system and do fine. In France its bad. Of course we do better than China, USA, Italy or Spain but we get reports they simply euthanized elderly people. Guess thats what you get with a bankster president...

    They might also be counting coronavirus deaths differently.

    Like the cause of death. Because the methodology and definitions seems to vary across different healthcare systems.

    Eastern Germany was vaccinated against TB like the rest of the Warsaw Pact. This vaccine is believed to account for the much
    smaller death rate in eastern European countries. In Germany, the effect is to reduce the total death rate. But given the size
    of Germany vs. Eastern Germany there must be other factors.

    avatar
    Tingsay


    Posts : 183
    Points : 185
    Join date : 2016-12-09

    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Tingsay Sat May 02, 2020 1:19 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Tingsay wrote:Russia is entering peak season now. 9000+ new cases in a day. Bumpy week ahead.

    If you look at the new daily cases curves for different countries you notice some universal characteristics.   The
    initial ramp to a peak (Italy) or oscillating plateau (Canada, USA) takes about 20 days.   Russia is about to enter
    the initial peak window this week.   It is not going to see 30,000 per day of new cases or even 15,000 per day
    of new cases.   It looks like it will hover around 10,000 at the peak.  

    What will be seen only over a week from now is if it peaks or stalls in a plateau like Canada.  


    True

    Or could see a major drop like Germany's.

    Sponsored content


    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 33 Empty Re: Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Mon Nov 18, 2024 10:44 pm