Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14

You mean there is nobody that will come to the aid of the Zionist ,  should they  launch an offensive against Iran mainland?  Not Russia or Europe or China or Turkey or the Eskimo? How about the Yanks?  Any yank official would like to comment.......?  No !  Not even them?  So  their offensive plan is secret ? But my plan is not. Agree about air defences in Syria. But with occasional  rusty old Rocket  that was going to be thrown away, then instead thrown into the empty Negev.

Edit :  BTW, Their thinking is intresting . It goes like :  Usraelis will find themselves in a war with Iran in the future. During the conventional exchange , they will come off worse ,  and hence  will have to use  their Nukes against Iran. But if Iran has nukes,  they will not be able to do this.

What they  have to understand ,  is that  a Nuclear armed Iran ,  will stop both sides from going to any kind of war. Conventional or otherwise. So they should support a Nuclear Iran. Since this will freeze the conflict. And stop territorial loss or gain by any side.

What it means precisely is that no war can take place. Borders are frozen . People on all sides safe from huge conventional wars. This is a step forward for humanity . Allowing the long term resolution of political and tribal differences.

The Usrael or any other state, in this region, very similarly to the situation in the Caucases or the Balkans, must develop very special political forms, allowing for creation of independent mini-states or City states. Together with economic and development plans, to allow for social cohesion and coexistence. Otherwise they will all turn into Red sea pedestrians.

nomadski wrote:...What they have to understand , is that a Nuclear armed Iran , will stop both sides from going to any kind of war. Conventional or otherwise. So they should support a Nuclear Iran. Since this will freeze the conflict. And stop territorial loss or gain by any side.

Nuclear state club is very exclusive one and old members are hostile towards any potential new prospect looking to join because it devalues the exclusivity status

Nobody will be welcoming nuclear Iran, more likely outcome is conventional war in order to preempt nuclear one with tacit approval of those on the sidelines

..... " hostile"...... " welcoming" ... and other mental realities do not find a meaning in circumstances where temperatures inside a Nuclear blast exceed that of the Sun. They become untrue. The only true reality is burning flesh, falling off bones...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/03/28/ask-ethan-how-can-a-nuclear-bomb-be-hotter-than-the-center-of-our-sun/amp/

nomadski wrote:

..... " hostile"...... " welcoming" ... and other mental realities do not find a meaning in circumstances where temperatures inside a Nuclear blast exceed that of the Sun. They become untrue. The only true reality is burning flesh, falling off bones...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/03/28/ask-ethan-how-can-a-nuclear-bomb-be-hotter-than-the-center-of-our-sun/amp/

Which is why there will be hell coming Iran's way the moment they actually approach developing nuclear bomb

Unlike North Korea there is no South Korea on Iran's South to worry about

PapaDragon wrote:

Unlike North Korea there is no South Korea on Iran's South to worry about

Ah, but there is much of the world's supply of oil/gas on both sides of the Gulf. If Iran goes that goes too, sending many back to the late 1900s. Now where was that coalmine we blocked up?

JohninMK wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Unlike North Korea there is no South Korea on Iran's South to worry about

Ah, but there is much of the world's supply of oil/gas on both sides of the Gulf. If Iran goes that goes too, sending many back to the late 1900s. Now where was that coalmine we blocked up?

Poor Maggie will be turning in her grave!

"..... Which is why there will be hell coming Iran's way the moment they actually approach developing nuclear bomb.... Unlike North Korea there is no South Korea on Iran's South to worry about...."

I do not see any Hell coming  in anyone's direction. They already can reach US mainland  with primitive fission device. They already possess the metal. And delivery range. Too late  to stop Iran. They have to worry about the structural integrity of the statue of Liberty. Nothing to do with what is south or North of Iran..... Peace at last.


https://youtu.be/_BfmPdut2x4

nomadski wrote:

..... " hostile"...... " welcoming" ... and other  mental realities  do not find a meaning in circumstances  where temperatures inside a Nuclear blast exceed that of the Sun. They become untrue. The only true reality is burning flesh, falling off bones...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/03/28/ask-ethan-how-can-a-nuclear-bomb-be-hotter-than-the-center-of-our-sun/amp/

I don't get all this talk about a nuclear bomb, having a nuclear bomb does not mean that your country totally safe.

Russia has nuclear bomb but that did not stop Ukraine from going to shit, the US has nuclear bomb but the US still got their asses handed to them by the Taliban and India has a nuclear bomb but they still can't scare a tiny Nepal and get the border dispute in their favor.

What Covid has taught(or should teach everyone) is that biological warfare is the future.

crod wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Unlike North Korea there is no South Korea on Iran's South to worry about

Ah, but there is much of the world's supply of oil/gas on both sides of the Gulf. If Iran goes that goes too, sending many back to the late 1900s. Now where was that coalmine we blocked up?

Poor Maggie will be turning in her grave!

Who is Maggie?

par far wrote:
Who is Maggie?

Maggie Thatcher, our Prime Minister in the 70s and 80s. Transformed our economy.

Kriva wrote:Would anyone know what happened after Syrian Air Defence shot down Isreali plane couple years back ?

Why I'm asking is that I can't figure out why SyAD doesn't target Israeli jets anymore.
They are trying to intercept the missiles but you need to be lucky 100% of the time.

There was big talk from Iran in 2020 about beefing up SyAD but there is not to show for it.

Many thanks

From memory this was back in the day when the IAF still thought it safe to overfly Syria. I think it was an F-16i that was hit by a missile chasing it home.

Following the installation of more modern SAMs plus more importantly lots of RuAF work on the Syrian IADS as well as integrating it with theirs, the IAF decided that it was far to dangerous to overfly Syria unless they absolutely had to. So they now normally launch from over Lebanon using radar shadow areas, like the Beqaa Valley, as much as possible. I think that there have been attacks from the south from Jordan and east from Iraq where it seems they were using USAF ID codes.

I am sure that the SyAF would love to down an IAF plane or two but until they cross into Syria its a no no.

Kriva wrote:
Many thanks for your response John.

Interesting point about crossing into Syria but in case of war you would not wait for enemy planes to cross the border in order to engage them.?
As for the Bekaa Valley: area around Tartus oversees the Lebanon so should be good enough to engage them.

It's fishy that there are zero reports.
Are you sure there is not more to this ?

Syria is not at war with Israel. If it were then IAF aircraft anywhere within range would be targets.

There are RuAF S-400 and SyAF S-300 systems virtually co-located on the mountain behind Tartous. Even at that height there are significant radar shadow areas in both Lebanon and Syria.

Not sure why you think there should be more reports.

Syria and Israel are officially at war since the last war during cold war. They never reached peace.

Syrian AD can't target them. Israeli planes use stand off attacks with strong jamming. S-200 is old and not really a threat. The downing of the f-16 was a lucky shoot from behind, probably thanks to russian radars help. Buk and pantsir are never in range to be used against the planes, they can only target the cruise missiles.

Russians have stopped helping SAA against them because Israel is bombing Iran/Hezbollah and if SAA wabts to protect them that's not russian problem. They are out of this "war".

Two honorable 'gatekeepers' at Khmeimim.

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A monument to the Hero of Russia, pilot Roman Filipov was unveiled at Khmeimim airbase in Syria

Nazinyahoo is bombing empty houses to score political points at home. If iranian forces were hit Iran would send his own air defence systems to Syria.

Hole wrote:Nazinyahoo is bombing empty houses to score political points at home. If iranian forces were hit Iran would send his own air defence systems to Syria.

We don't really know what is going on, I tend not believe anything from Syria, unless it is confirmed by Russian sources.

"..... Russia has nuclear bomb but that did not stop Ukraine from going to shit, the US has nuclear bomb but the US still got their asses handed to them by the Taliban and India has a nuclear bomb but they still can't scare a tiny Nepal and get the border dispute in their favor...... "

These are all true, and much more. I did not say that  all war or conflict will be eliminated . But it looks like, they will remain at a local or sub-critical level. The correct example are India and Pakistan. Never developing into full scale conventional war, causing the death of millions and becoming an existential threat to nations.  Both sides will escalate, and then as the casualties and risk of annihilation grows, then this causes a deescalation. Other examples you mentioned, involve situations, where it is not Nuclear situation. Both sides must possess them. And it is the Afghans and Iraqi and Libyan and Syrian that had their assets handed to them. The Yanks suffered acceptable casualties of about 5000 for nation of 300000000. These countries suffered 2000000 for population of.? With economic damage of ?



Good idea about  establishing facts first, from many reliable sources. And then arriving at a conclusion. The Internet and YouTube has turned into a sea of disinformation and propaganda and conspiracy theories. Better only believe a story, confirmed by many news agencies. The lowest common denominator.

Also about BW, none will destroy enemy Nuke silo. The other side free to destroy all hard targets and soft targets and then even finding a cure. Plutonium half life is 50000 years and is the most poisonous substance known to man. So it is both a NW and  CW  and by causing many cancers also a BW. And it destroys all hard unprotected targets.

JohninMK wrote:

par far wrote:
Who is Maggie?

Maggie Thatcher, our Prime Minister in the 70s and 80s. Transformed our economy.

Yes and no....