Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14

Reports of small Israeli ground incursion into Golan area of Syria . Will Russia ground troops fight and push back ? Will Syria ground troops engage ? Or still busy with terror ? Still no need for those two IRGC ground divisions ? Any ideas ?

A "Please don't do it again" readout is the best you can hope for.

They reportedly fired two more SRBM . One was intercepted . At this rate , they will soon loose their offensive Air and missile power . A real strange possibility ! By use of pure defensive tactics !  Must be a first , a world record for Russia .

It's a dummy s-300. They are really realistic and would work very fine in a real conflict, even more if they put radar emmiters on them to fool ELINT plateforms.

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:It's a dummy s-300. They are really realistic and would work very fine in a real conflict, even more if they put radar emmiters on them to fool ELINT plateforms.

How do you know its a dummy?

Zoom on the radar vehicle, you can see the part where the radar is, is falling on the back and isn't horizontal.

You know what I always say about decoys and cammo ? The best disguised are the worst disguised ! .........

This decoys got heaters and emitters.

Yeah, that was real trolling from Erdogan.  That man is bringing Turkey to its knees and they are getting antagonistic towards everyone.  That map also has parts of China in their sphere.  Turks believe all former Turkish lands belong to them even though the peoples of those lands aren't actually turks and most don't even see themselves as such.  The comments from the Duran about Shoigu and Peskov are rather silly as the whole purpose of Russia trying to win over turkey is so they get strategic value asset.  Keeping turkey away from US is their main goal.  Russians had already bombed Turkish forces in Syria on more than one occasion.

I think Russians are passed at turks but willing to look other way regarding Ukraine cause in the end, Ukraine can't do anything and Turkish support goes nowhere.

But turkey is indeed pissing everyone off and eventually they will be worst off for it.

But there is bias at the Duran. They are both Greek after all and thus have a dog in this fight too.

Their comment he speaks Turkish is ignoring he also speaks Japanese, Mongolian and other languages (Chinese too). He is also Chridtian, (or bhuddist). Not Muslim.

ALAMO wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Yeah, that was real trolling from Erdogan.  That man is bringing Turkey to its knees and they are getting antagonistic towards everyone.  That map also has parts of China in their sphere.  Turks believe all former Turkish lands belong to them even though the peoples of those lands aren't actually turks and most don't even see themselves as such.  The comments from the Duran about Shoigu and Peskov are rather silly as the whole purpose of Russia trying to win over turkey is so they get strategic value asset.  Keeping turkey away from US is their main goal.  Russians had already bombed Turkish forces in Syria on more than one occasion.

I think Russians are passed at turks but willing to look other way regarding Ukraine cause in the end, Ukraine can't do anything and Turkish support goes nowhere.

But turkey is indeed pissing everyone off and eventually they will be worst off for it.

But there is bias at the Duran. They are both Greek after all and thus have a dog in this fight too.

Any nation has a government they deserve.
Erdo is a perfect example.
The first time, I was in Turkey 20+ years ago.
And visit it regularly since.
My friends lived there for almost 4 years, in Izmir.
Turks are crazy nationalists.
I like them as persons but am forced to admit that they run havoc when talking national pride.
You can't talk about history and differences of the interests with them. Things must be the Turk way.
Still, who cares how many wars they will lose to Russia in the future, same as they have lost all of them till now?  

That's the thing. Russians even with its pan Turkish population (as some like to call them) fought against Turkey. And their population in Russia is so small they barely exist minus the Tatars and even they like their fiefdoms.

An old saying - make hay when the sun shines plays here. The Russians are getting as much out of the turks as they can, so they are willing to overlook some things.

There is a growing divide in Turkey, that exists. These maps and other silly stuff is Erdo trying to keep as much as a fan base as he can. Guarantee he informs Russia. Not everything is in the open and obvious. The Duran guys have a bias that is warranted, I give that. But to declare shoigu and Peskov as Turkophiles is silly. Especially when using language as excuse. As mentioned before, both are Christians and both speak multiple languages. Shoigu speaks over 6 of them. Turkish is just one.

The problem is the Turkish think that all the Turk-speaking people in Central Asia were coming from todays Turkey. But its the other way around, the Turks were travelling trough Central Asia and the Caucasus and the last place they reached is today known as Turkey. It would be more fitting if politicians from Kasakhstan or Turkmenistan hold up such a map and show Turkey in their sphere of influence.

I hope sense returns to Turkish foreign policy . Recently they have used their forces outside their country , many times . And not all in a helpful way . What was Libya about ? And such strong support for one side against another , transporting extremists from Syria ? Prolonging the war ! Now we see the Libyans starting to unite their country . Will they have good and fond memories from those that increased their pain ? And what of these Turkomen in Syria ? Were they about to be attacked and needed Turkish protection and occupation ? Simply an excuse for expansion of territory ! And if it was not for Russia , the Turks would have pushed Azer forces into Yerevan . There was no stopping them ! No more Armenia ! And they almost went to war with Greece over Oil and gas ! They could possibly not negotiate ?

So this gesture of pointing out " Turkish " lands in Asia , should be understood to indicate the expansionist desire ! Not merely a gesture . The reason it can not be actualized are practical limitations to Turkish power . To build a strong union of whatever sort , one needs a strong functioning economy and independent industry and wisdom in politics . China can do it , but not Turkey !

China and Russia and Iran , should guide Turkish foreign policy towards constructive engagement in the economic and political sector . Away from narrow nationalistic and ethnic interests . Leaving the door open for them and ready to lend a hand when they inevitably fall off the cliff ! No punishments if possible , but withdrawal of benefits and privileges ? I believe NATO , allows exit for members , but no readmission . Turkey could be allowed observer status in SCO ?

nomadski wrote:I hope sense returns to Turkish foreign policy . Recently they have used their forces outside their country , many times . And not all in a helpful way . What was Libya about ? And such strong support for one side against another , transporting extremists from Syria ? Prolonging the war ! Now we see the Libyans starting to unite their country . Will they have good and fond memories from those that increased their pain ? And what of these Turkomen in Syria ? Were they about to be attacked and needed Turkish protection and occupation ? Simply an excuse for expansion of territory ! And if it was not for Russia , the Turks would have pushed Azer forces into Yerevan . There was no stopping them ! No more Armenia ! And they almost went to war with Greece over Oil and gas ! They could possibly not negotiate ?

So this gesture of pointing out " Turkish " lands in Asia , should be understood to indicate the expansionist desire ! Not merely a gesture . The reason it can not be actualized are practical limitations to Turkish power . To build a strong union of whatever sort , one needs a strong functioning economy and independent industry and wisdom in politics . China can do it , but not Turkey !

China and Russia and Iran , should guide Turkish foreign policy towards constructive engagement in the economic and political sector . Away from narrow nationalistic and ethnic interests . Leaving the door open for them and ready to lend a hand when they inevitably fall off the cliff ! No punishments if possible , but withdrawal of benefits and privileges ? I believe NATO , allows exit for members , but no readmission . Turkey could be allowed observer status in SCO ?

It was what said earlier - this blind and stupid nationalism ideology that exists in turkey.

Of course they won't get these lands. Half the countries listed are allied to Russia, or are Russia and China which have enough power to roll over turkey multiple times. Add to that, majority of these "turkish" nations are more than happy to rule at their own guise and not under someone else.

Turks are like this. They get their asses kicked multiple of times, even recently as seen in Libya and Syria. Doesn't matter, let them keep trying. All they are doing is destroying their own country as evident now in economics.

One has to preface that the 'Turkmens' in Syria and Iraq are not actually Turkmen, but Turkomans. That's their name albeit it's typically butchered.

Turkmen are the people that live in Central Asia and were part of the USSR/Tsarist Russia, not the Ottoman Empire

par far wrote:

That map would have raised some eyebrows across Eurasia for sure. Probably least of which in Moscow if anything.

Classic Erdogan. Loose cannon shooting in every direction at once.

I don't doubt that this was a domestic political move but you do have to love the lack of finesse when it comes to relations with other countries.

Anyway, as much of an annoyance as Erdogan can be, he ultimately creates opportunities for Russia, and other non-Western powers. You can't accuse him of not following an independent foreign policy for his nation.

Erdogan will need bigger defence budget if he wants to play with that map

PapaDragon wrote:
Erdogan will need bigger defence budget if he wants to play with that map

Lol. A defense budget surpassing US would be needed.