Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14

JohninMK wrote:Meanwhile 5 Ropucha-class landing ships and 1 Ivan Gren-class landing ship are now in the English Channel on their way from the Baltic fleet to, at a guess, the Black Sea.

Are they going to support a landing force around Odessa, or similar, or are they off to help out the Syrian Express?
Interesting that an Ivor Gren is among them. First time our of the Baltic.
The photos show the Ropucha as fairly well loaded, they don't look empty, so first stop Tartus?

I suspect this lot is rather going to deliver some belated Christmas gifts for the Syrian people to better defend against these type of attacks from the US/Israelis.

Russia deployed mig-29SMTs at syrian T4 base in Syria.

We might see the Pacific Fleet’s Varyag missile cruiser and its group join up with that super tug.

Wouldn´t be to surprised if Syria is visited by a few MiG-31K and Tu-22M3 bombers in the next days.

The first joint patrol of aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Air Force took place in the airspace of this country. The fighter jets of the two countries passed along the borders of the Syrian Arab Republic. This is reported by the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

https://en.topwar.ru/191486-pervoe-sovmestnoe-patrulirovanie-rossijskoj-i-sirijskoj-boevoj-aviacii-proshlo-v-nebe-sirii.html

That's a power grouping in CAP

Su34 can have R77SD and Su35 , with A50U giving coordinates to missiles.

Syrian Mig 23 and Mig 29 could also be integrated or just provide close in defense against interceptors

Either way that is a good way to keep IDF out of the airspace

Isos wrote:Russia deployed mig-29SMTs at syrian T4 base in Syria.

It is interesting to see Mig29SMT and Mig29 deployed on Russian foreign bases like Syria and Libya. 

It seems Mig29 is suitable for these deployments in desert environment. Mig 35 could also be very capable addition for these groupings

I think someone here mentioned Mig29SMT was not receiving information from S400 radar?

Why is this so, mig29 possess datalinks so why is this assumption made

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Isos wrote:Russia deployed mig-29SMTs at syrian T4 base in Syria.

It is interesting to see Mig29SMT and Mig29 deployed on Russian foreign bases like Syria and Libya. 

It seems Mig29 is suitable for these deployments in desert environment. Mig 35 could also be very capable addition for these groupings

I think someone here mentioned Mig29SMT was not receiving information from S400 radar?

Why is this so, mig29 possess datalinks so why is this assumption made

It would be assumed because no one outside of Russian military itself would be aware.

Russia isn't happy with the range and the radar of migs. They want the mig-35 with AESA because it has a great range (1000km) compare to mig-29 (which had an effective radius of 300km) and the aesa radar is quoted to be avove 200km (they said 260km for the last generation) compare to 120km for the older Zukh M.

Mig 29 was already designed to be connected to the IADS. It was the main goal actually since like their other interceptor it was supposed to do GCI (ground controled interceptions).

But now they want fighters that can be on their own. So they need good radar and good range. Something the mig-29 can't do. Mig-35 can.

Surely in Syria, a special case for the RuAF, they will just be using them as bomb trucks operating much closer to the targets out of T4, reducing the pressure on the Su's at Hmeimim?

JohninMK wrote:Surely in Syria, a special case for the RuAF, they will just be using them as bomb trucks operating much closer to the targets out of T4, reducing the pressure on the Su's at Hmeimim?

It has more to do with US and French carriers in the Med.

Most likely we will also see mig-31 with Kinzhal.

MiG-29SMT have data link with GCI as all MiG-29 fighter. But it doesn't have IFDL to coordinate and share with other fighters. MiG-29K and MiG-29M/35 got IFDL.

medo wrote:MiG-29SMT have data link with GCI as all MiG-29 fighter. But it doesn't have IFDL to coordinate and share with other fighters. MiG-29K and MiG-29M/35 got IFDL.

Well I remember seeing that su-30, at least the first ones, had a role of awacs for mig-29 and they could C&C a dozen during a flight. So they may have a datalink but not necessarly the last versions. Maybe they can just link between them and some fighters.

Isos wrote:

medo wrote:MiG-29SMT have data link with GCI as all MiG-29 fighter. But it doesn't have IFDL to coordinate and share with other fighters. MiG-29K and MiG-29M/35 got IFDL.

Well I remember seeing that su-30, at least the first ones, had a role of awacs for mig-29 and they could C&C a dozen during a flight. So they may have a datalink but not necessarly the last versions. Maybe they can just link between them and some fighters.

That first Su-30K was meant to be flying command post for air defense fighter aviation (IA PVO) and should work with Su-27 and MiG-31 and both have IFDL as standard equipment. MiG-29 was short range fighter, which always work inside range of GCI, while bigger Su-27 and MiG-31 with long range worked outside that range and were connected with AWACS A-50 and between each other with IFDL.

The first two Rupocha and the Ivan Gren are now in the Med.

I put this here as there is a possibility Tartus is their first stop.

Making a point or practicing for the future, with a bit more of an eastern loop?

JohninMK wrote:The first two Rupocha and the Ivan Gren are now in the Med.

I put this here as there is a possibility Tartus is their first stop.

All six now at least 2 days in. First group believed to be a day ahead of the other so getting closer to the point where the destination becomes clear.

George1 wrote:The first joint patrol of aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Air Force took place in the airspace of this country. The fighter jets of the two countries passed along the borders of the Syrian Arab Republic. This is reported by the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

https://en.topwar.ru/191486-pervoe-sovmestnoe-patrulirovanie-rossijskoj-i-sirijskoj-boevoj-aviacii-proshlo-v-nebe-sirii.html

...Syrian A/Cs were with no armament(maybe except gun)