Project 20380(5): Steregushchy Corvette #2

calripson wrote:The perfect time to create an incident like this is when flammable coatings/paint are being applied - a simple gel capsule containing the correct catalyst left in a container calculated to dissolve and ignite in a few hours. Why those material would be left next to the ship and unattended at night is beyond me other than pure laziness. Why there isn't a 24/7 security detail also beyond me. Why they aren't working 24 hour shifts for a ship laid down in 2013 also beyond me.

PapaDragon wrote:
It seems that not even main gun was installed. Good news? Wrong

That would indicate that ship was hilariously behind schedule even though it was supposed to be delivered next year

Theory (solid one) making rounds is that management ordered this fire to hide incompetence, regular occurrence in Russian construction business

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ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:As for the superstructure , it is well known that they are fiberglass structures. It is lighter and more stealthy then metal which is highly reflective. They are flammable, but in combat situation really wont make a difference if your on the receiving end of 500kg warhead.

Didn't even take combat to take out this vessel utterly, as it seems

You are switching on the drama mode much too often my friend
Just an accident, a quite common in the shipbuilding business. Some of them are an effect of negligence, some of them just happen. The industry is a risky business, that is why they are insured
Good that no one is dead.
I remember we had an explosion on the slipway once, as the shift was painting the cargo bays and had not done proper ventilation after. Another shift was welding some shit on the deck, and the remaining gases from painting just cooked off. Fatal casualties occurred. Ships burned several times either. Yards are very dangerous places, first of all. They are using different processes involving flammable materials, explosive gases etc. Those things are just a part of this business.

And I'm glad no-one died ALAMO

Now the question is about recalling this whole class for major rework, because these ships are major liabilities, and we don't need potentially dozens of dead sailors from even one accident.

Probably not just this class, if this fiberglass shit is prevalent.

Flammable materials are present during operation as well. The question is not about what flammable materials are present and the danger of fires starting, but about why does the whole bloody thing burn down.

GarryB wrote:So many people who can't take bad news... get over it.

As shown by American and Chinese ship fires fires happen.

This ship did not have its fire fighting system active so of course it is going to burn why do you think they fit these ships with fire fighting systems and equipment... because they burn...

There was no one killed and it sounds like the engine and rear area of the ship is fine... I would say take out the engine and put it in a new ship and just get over this little mishap.

Sounds like it wasn't fitted with its radar and main electronics... I suspect the cylinders they were worried about would mean there was a lot of wielding going on still which suggests structural work was being done unless they were air compressor cylinders and they were painting.

Either way grow a pair, work out what happened and take steps to make sure it does not happen again and either repair and complete the ship or get it out of there and lay down another one.

GarryB wrote:...this little mishap...

PapaDragon wrote:

GarryB wrote:...this little mishap...

Whole damn thing was torched, how the f*ck can that be called  a small mishap?

It's not even medium or big mishap, it's colossal fuckup

Isos wrote:There is a big difference between a cyberattack to see what the enemy is doing or putting down its website (which isn't a big issue) and destroying a ship.

One is just spying with no direct impact on people, the other is a declaration of war that can quickly escalate.

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PapaDragon wrote:

GarryB wrote:...this little mishap...

Whole damn thing was torched, how the f*ck can that be called  a small mishap?

It's not even medium or big mishap, it's colossal fuckup

Compare to french who burned a SSN or US that lost a heli carrier it's a small mishap.

calripson wrote:Reagan signed a CIA directive in 1982 to supply booby-rigged components for Soviet technology that caused, among other incidents, a huge natural gas pipeline explosion. As for "acts of war", the US has never been too shy about crossing that line: routinely violating the airspace of the Soviet Union; enforcing a naval blockade; or dropping depth charges around Soviet submarines operating in international waters.

Maximmmm wrote:I mean it's definitely a write off for sure, but also it's one of the biggest "dolgostroi" of the series left. Severnaya was painfully slow working on it.
It definitely sucks, but I'm glad the people hurt were at a minimum, that's key. And maybe they'll finally start shaking up the Health&Safety reqs in the shipyards with regular inspections. I mean how many more ships do we need to lose?

12/20/2021 On the weekend after the completion of the fire extinguishing work on the "Provorny" corvette, the specialists of the Severnaya Verf carried out its initial inspection. Factory services have previously established that, thanks to the mounted fire insulation between the superstructure and the deck, the ship's hull was not damaged. The superstructure must be dismantled. There was no equipment in the superstructure. Negotiations are underway with JSC SNSZ on the construction of a new superstructure. To prevent freezing of the water that got into the hold during the extinguishing of the fire, heating and electricity were ordered on Saturday and Sunday, about 100 workers provided the pumping of water and drying the surfaces. They also cleaned the premises from the effects of the fire. To assess the damage, a commission was created from representatives of the plant and the USC, and it started to work. It is too early to talk about the causes of the fire. An authorized commission will take several weeks to study the circumstances and determine the cause. wrote:

calripson wrote:Were there engines even installed? Awful slow progress was being made on that ship. Almost seems like a lack of skilled workers given the workload Severnaya Wharf has.