2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1

nomadski wrote:Legally speaking (and according to even Armenia itself) this conflict is still strictly INTERNAL Azeri issue

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Unlike Georgia, Armenia has no disputed territory considering Armenia does not recognize NK, there is nothing that can stop Armenia from joining NATO. ..

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Unlike Georgia, Armenia has no disputed territory considering Armenia does not recognize NK, there is nothing that can stop Armenia from joining NATO. ..

she didn't recognize it since it's not independent of Armenia itself- w/o her support, the NK wouldn't have lasted 30 years. In other words, NK is part of Armenia, not independent or part or de-facto part of Azerbaijan. In the 18th century Georgia had to join Russia to save itself from Turkey & Persia; w/o Russia/USSR, there would be no "independent" Armenia today.
Now the plan of Azerbaijani aggression against Armenia developed by the Turks is completely clear. Two strike groups of the Azerbaijani army, previously concentrated under the leadership of Turkish military advisers, with the support of hundreds of terrorists from Syria, struck the north and south of Karabakh on September 27. The task is to surround Karabakh from the north and south, cut it off from Armenia and carry out ethnic cleansing there, killing or expelling the Armenian population. The main striking force of the Azerbaijanis is the Syrian Islamists, Turkish drones and Turkish F-16 fighters. Although the Turkish-Azerbaijani aggression has so far drowned, the Armenians unfortunately suffered heavy losses, especially in artillery and tanks. The losses of Azerbaijanis are greater, but the Turks do not regret Azerbaijani lives. Why Erdogan provoked an attack by a MGIMO graduate, and now his puppet Aliyev in Karabakh? First, Erdogan fought against us in Syria and Libya with the hands of the Islamists there. But Karabakh, as the front closest to Russia, he always kept in reserve (let me remind you that Armenia is Russia's ally under the 1997 treaty, there is a Russian military base there). Remember when there was the last outbreak of the conflict in Karabakh? In April 2016, when, in response to our plane shot down by Erdogan, we finally introduced sanctions against Turkey. Erdogan already then took revenge on Russia in Karabakh with the hands of Aliyev. And now Putin's "great friend" Erdogan decided to take advantage of the fact that Putin's "friend" was under fire from the West in Belarus and in the Navalny case. And he started the war, thinking that Russia will chicken out and wipe out. Thus, the Armenians are now fighting for Russia against Erdogan. They suffer heavy losses from the Turks. In these conditions, Russia should, as France suggests, impose sanctions against Turkey. If Aliyev does not calm down and does not cease fire, then sanctions should be introduced against this presumptuous student of Erdogan. For example, the visa regime. If Armenia asks, it should be supplied with weapons, especially air defense systems to fight against Turkish attack drones. The Russians must remember that they will defeat the Armenians and come to our North Caucasus! Have the two Chechen wars already been forgotten? When were the militants treated and rested in "friendly Turkey? Therefore, helping Armenia NOW means the absence of war on our territory TOMORROW!" especially air defense systems to combat Turkish attack drones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdq14rn4rGY

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Armenia is being smart. By not recognizing NK officially but recognizing NK de facto, Armenia can join NATO if Armenia sees Russia as unreliable for security. Having seen Russia sold northern Syria to Turkey for S-400 deal, Armenia has come to the conclusion Russia is unreliable for security. This is why Armenia will join NATO.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

Armenian wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

Compering Saakashvili with Pashinyan? Are you serious?

In my opinion Pashinyan is even more Pro-Russian than Serj Sargsyan. That stupid misinformation is done exactly by Soros kinda people to drive Armenian and Russians away from each other.

Hope people coming with that BS is aware of that.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

Armenian wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

Compering Saakashvili with Pashinyan? Are you serious?

In my opinion Pashinyan is even more Pro-Russian than Serj Sargsyan. That stupid misinformation is done exactly by Soros kinda people to drive Armenian and Russians away from each other.

Hope people coming with that BS is aware of that.

Azeri propaganda. While it is true Armenia will join NATO for security considering Russia is not reliable for security. Hint. Selling northern Syria to Turkey only for a S-400 deal, why should Armenia not join NATO? Give me a good reason. As for Armenia being hostile to Russia? That is Azeri propaganda. Armenia bough Su-30SM from Russia. Shows Armenia is not hostile to Russia. Action speaks louder than propaganda.

nomadski wrote:"...... And people also understand that having Turkey, which commited a genocide against Armenians a century ago, now fight Azerbaijan's war for it using flying killer robots and Syrian terrorists is not acceptable either......."

But you said people don't understand. They are not informed. Only the elite understand. And they shut up about it. Information to them, is like money. They will privitise it. But agree, that there is a cultural problem with the Turks. The Armenians during this war, were able to defeat Azeri forces to get to karabag. But they stopped there. They could have advanced to take more territory. If they wanted territory alone. But they wanted security. Unfortunately, the Azeri territories were in the way. This is very different to Azeri position now. Akin to genocide. Extermination of ALL Armenians from territories. No doubt under tutelage from Turk fascistic culture.
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Regular wrote:Armenia can't be trusted for security of themselves. It's Azerbaijan, not a Nazi Germany in 39. Azeris have some nice toys, but they are no warriors.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:The war is instigated by Turkey and US. They will see Russia will do nothing because of Putin's relation with Erdogan, and then they will say to Armenia see Russia can't be trusted for security. So Armenia and Azerbaijan will join NATO for peace just like Greece and Turkey did.

Armenia can't be trusted for security of themselves. It's Azerbaijan, not a Nazi Germany in 39. Azeris have some nice toys, but they are no warriors.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

Regular wrote:Armenia can't be trusted for security of themselves. It's Azerbaijan, not a Nazi Germany in 39. Azeris have some nice toys, but they are no warriors.

Toys alone don't win wars. SAA had nice toys and they were totally trashed by determined rebels. KSA and UAE had toys and they were totally trashed by Houthis.

Isos wrote:

They enjoy turkish propaganda which massively shares their drone footages. But when you look closely you see they achieved nothing and armenians don't really need russian help.