Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #2

How hard is it for you to understand if they were going to use a virus to do that it will need a higher level of lethality than 3-4% like the current virus has.

What 3 or 4 percent IFR?

What are you talking about?

elconquistador wrote:

How hard is it for you to understand if they were going to use a virus to do that it will need a higher level of lethality than 3-4% like the current virus has.

What 3 or 4 percent IFR?

What are you talking about?

What you think @consquistador?

do you agree with garryB claims that pfizer mRNA vaccines are "safe" of he is completely devoid from reality ?

I will not waste time arguing with him anything , because is embarrassing how retarded are the
claims he make.

France supports EU approval of Sputnik V vaccine
24 February 2021

France has a positive attitude towards as many reliable and effective vaccines as possible approved in Europe, this also applies to "Sputnik V", as well as other vaccines that have been developed in other countries, said government spokesman Gabriel Attal.

https://m.vz.ru/news/2021/2/24/1086632.html

Interesting story from the past

How U.S. and Soviet scientists fought polio during the Cold War

What 3 or 4 percent IFR?

What are you talking about?

Covid seems to have a mortality rate of 3-3.5%, any vaccine cannot be more deadly than the virus it is supposed to be protecting you from.

Very simply and hopefully there will be more people taking the vaccines than get the virus so even if their lethality rates are the same they can warn about 2 million people killed by Covid but assuming more than half the worlds population is immunised, that would be 4.5 billion vaccinations... would be about 135 million people killed by the vaccine at 3% mortality rate... they could never hide that sort of result... but Van is claiming these vaccines are not going to be mere 3% killers... they are supposed to wipe out 90% of the population so there is just this utopia... but assuming the current 1% are included in that... the numbers are going to be awful...

1% of 9 billion is 90 million, but getting rid of 90% of the current population means killing 8.1 billion which only leaves 900 million people and if 90 million are the current 1% then they become the 10%... but having 10% of the population being rich and powerful and essentially lazy is a terrible start because there are 8.1 billion bodies to get rid of to start with and one in ten people is effectively going to be handicapped in the sense of their contribution to humanities future in terms of labour and economic usefulness...

But then the 1% is 1% of the worlds population and there is no way the 1% of Russians will put up with crap from the 1% of Americans etc etc so there will be conflict within the 1%s anyway.

All I am saying is that if this is a 1% conspiracy then the people behind it are very very rich but that does not mean they are also very very smart... they might end up having to do manual labour... unless they expect robots to do the manual labour for them... but they will need too many engineers and support people to keep them anywhere near their current level of luxury...

What I am saying is that even if their plan succeeded beyond their wildest hopes their future would be more like Mad Max or Max Headroom than some sort of utopia Star Trek situation where technology and free energy make living easy.

Forget about batman and start trek.  you live GarryB in fantasy land or simply too old to understand anything.

lets me remind you all the dumb things ,that you have told before proven to be wrong.
or showing your ignorance on any subject.

arguments you claimed in the past.

1)Nobody will dare to attack russia , because is a oh my god it has nuclear weapons.  
2)that the west want prosperity and freedom for the americans.. and depopulation for the rest of the world.   So you agree they want to depopulate but not their over highly over populated land?  
3) That if the west will wanted to get rid (reduce)population , they could do it by poisoning their food
since they control it.    as if they could poison millions without no one noticing what's going on.
4)that anglo mafia vaccines are "Safe" because in your past their were safe.      

Then show you evidence of
1) hundreds of people killed , videos of people suffering major neurological damage
2) videos of international doctors , with americans telling you to NOT VACCINATE with
mRNA vaccines dangerous experiments on population.
3)show you proof videos of doctors saying hospitals are under pressure to LIE what is happening in the world ,to inflate the covid numbers , write in ,every death as covid19 , that is to commit fraud and artificially create a crisis far bigger than it is , for what? to convince population like you to vaccinate..
4)show you former intel officers saying this is a hoax , not a pandemic but a biological war
whats going on , a depopulation project .
5) and show you proof that doctors who speak against mRNA vaccines are being censored by your
"true news" western media.  saying mmRNA vaccines are weapons of mass destruction ,that doctor ,who knows a little bit more than you ,she says that..

https://beforeitsnews.com/health/2021/02/dr-sherri-tenpenny-explains-how-the-depopulation-covid-vaccines-will-start-working-in-3-6-months-must-video-3037796.html

There is mountain of evidence the western vaccines ARE NOT SAFE   but you conveniently
choose to ignore ,because doesn't fit your note very honest narrative.

Also showing total ignorance in political issues ,  as to why Russia doesn't need relations with
europe , completely ignoring that US without europe will have no NATO ,no system ,and no american bases near russia.  

So i figure out is either brain dysfunction or an age thing ,what you suffer , because contradict yourself big time , either the west wants to depopulate the world or not ?  because if what your last claim is what you believe ,then how can you trust in US business for your health, that you know US controls and influence if they want to depopulate the rest of the world?  

The average people will feel worried about trusting in a nation their health ,that is poisoning the food of other countries. don't you think?  with vaccines is even easier ,because they can hide the poison there ,if it activates ,when facing a virus of their choice.

and repeat and repeat and repeat that..." i don't believe in vaccines" which i never said that , russia and chinese vaccines are fine . but vaccines designed to murder people not good ,neither first time experiments with questionable genetics manipulation.

So will simply ignore you on this, because is sad ,to have to explain you all . You simply show signs of incomplete capabilities of critical thinking and it have to be your age or something else ,perhaps under some kind of secondary effects medication? or alcohol?  ,because you even contradict your self too much.  First you trust in western vaccine but then second say ,US only wants to depopulate the rest of the world?       . so will not bother arguing with you ,because it looks more you have problems to think.  but in case if you ever notice ,you are the only person left in the forum  defending pfizer and moderna vaccines.  neither KVS and conquistador and others that have been incredibly patient to educate you , but you still continue contradicting yourself , in defending your "Safe vaccines" because in the past they were safe , you said ,as if the past was any validation for technology of the future. and not mentioning the many thousands people killed and injured by past and today vaccines.  


So you can claim anything you want , but there is a very very huge difference between your arguments and mine .i backup everything with proof and real evidence , of real professionals ,
i show you my sources , and you show nothing. because you have nothing to show and so you are wrong.

for people interested in real information , there is a website that is doing the daily counting
of pfizer and moderna victims.  



garryb SAFE VACCINES.    

We are just supposed to believe that these 3 young hospital workers all died of cardiac arrest from “natural causes” despite no pre-existing conditions, and that this has nothing to do with the experimental Pfizer mRNA COVID injections that each one of them received.

To admit that the experimental COVID mRNA injections had anything to do with these deaths would be bad for business and the development of these new multi-BILLION dollar shots and the market they are hoping to develop.

https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/45-year-old-italian-doctor-in-the-prime-of-life-and-in-perfect-health-drops-dead-after-the-pfizer-mrna-covid-shot-39-year-old-nurse-42-year-old-surgical-technician-also-dead/

look @Garryb real people who died by your "safe anglowestern vaccines" got very sick
hours after taking mRNA shots and shortly after of heart attack in this one.

49-year-old pharmacist, Miriam Gabriela Godoy – dead.

They also claimed the vaccines were "safe too " just like you do. but now they are dead. ooops.

it is interesting that pfizer and moderna always refuse to recognize that people who die are consequence of their vaccine shot ,always people are blamed for it.  

this is NOT NORMAL , vaccines there is no reason for them to kill people if they are done right .
non anglo vaccines are showing this major casualty rate. Russian and chinese vaccines are safe . moderna and prizer not safe. period. and the real genocide will start when everyone in the west vaccinated. that's when you will see millions dying in the next few years ,up to 10 ,and it will likely be blamed on a "new covid strain".

and the reported kill count ,last i saw was 500+ killed , and 5 thousands serious injuries that require hospital. but the most important thing is the revelelation that they are hidding their deaths and permanent injuries and only 10% of the cases reported. so the kill count have to be in the 5,000 and the injuries in the 50,000 at least. but they are safe says @Garryb.     at the same time zero casualties reported by the russian vaccine . not reported deaths after millions of vaccinated. perhaps russia is
hiding something?      or maybe russia is doing real vaccines and not interested in depopulate the world like Garry's west.

here near many many doctors world wide , advice to NOT VACCINATE with any mRNA vaccine
because they are dangerous experiments ,that mRNA vaccines never have been proven to work before and more importantly are so many people.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/doctors-around-the-world-issue-dire-warning-do-not-get-the-covid-vaccine/

https://vaccineimpact.com    

but lets see how long it last that website ,before the internet mafia shut it down.
Is hard to know the real consequences of anglo west vaccines because they control
the internet and they shut down websites as soon they detect one ,speaking negatively of their "safe vaccines".  

Everybody with half a working brain already knew this, but business closures and lockdowns don't work.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13484

Abstract​

Background and Aims​
The most restrictive nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID‐19 are mandatory stay‐at‐home and business closures. Given the consequences of these policies, it is important to assess their effects. We evaluate the effects on epidemic case growth of more restrictive NPIs (mrNPIs), above and beyond those of less‐restrictive NPIs (lrNPIs).

Methods​
We first estimate COVID‐19 case growth in relation to any NPI implementation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden and the United States. Using first‐difference models with fixed effects, we isolate the effects of mrNPIs by subtracting the combined effects of lrNPIs and epidemic dynamics from all NPIs. We use case growth in Sweden and South Korea, 2 countries that did not implement mandatory stay‐at‐home and business closures, as comparison countries for the other 8 countries (16 total comparisons).

Results​
Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that implemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epidemic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. In France, for example, the effect of mrNPIs was +7% (95% CI: −5%‐19%) when compared with Sweden and + 13% (−12%‐38%) when compared with South Korea (positive means pro‐contagion). The 95% confidence intervals excluded 30% declines in all 16 comparisons and 15% declines in 11/16 comparisons.

Conclusions​
While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less‐restrictive interventions

kvs wrote:

Retard is as retard does.

Raise!


For those who have bad eyesight: they've cut holes in their masks.

Grooming, priming and creating social peer pressure, that's what it is.

So you can claim anything you want , but there is a very very huge difference between your arguments and mine .i backup everything with proof and real evidence , of real professionals ,

Most anti vaxxers I know say vaccines can cause autism.... they read studies that mention potential negative effects but never follow up reading about any conflicting evidence that might refute those incidents.

Forget about batman and start trek. you live GarryB in fantasy land or simply too old to understand anything.

lets me remind you all the dumb things ,that you have told before proven to be wrong.
or showing your ignorance on any subject.

arguments you claimed in the past.

1)Nobody will dare to attack russia , because is a oh my god it has nuclear weapons. Laughing
2)that the west want prosperity and freedom for the americans.. and depopulation for the rest of the world. Laughing So you agree they want to depopulate but not their over highly over populated land? Laughing
3) That if the west will wanted to get rid (reduce)population , they could do it by poisoning their food
since they control it. Suspect as if they could poison millions without no one noticing what's going on. Rolling Eyes
4)that anglo mafia vaccines are "Safe" because in your past their were safe. lol1 lol1 lol1

Then show you evidence of
1) hundreds of people killed , videos of people suffering major neurological damage
2) videos of international doctors , with americans telling you to NOT VACCINATE with
mRNA vaccines dangerous experiments on population.
3)show you proof videos of doctors saying hospitals are under pressure to LIE what is happening in the world ,to inflate the covid numbers , write in ,every death as covid19 , that is to commit fraud and artificially create a crisis far bigger than it is , for what? to convince population like you to vaccinate..
4)show you former intel officers saying this is a hoax , not a pandemic but a biological war
whats going on , a depopulation project .
5) and show you proof that doctors who speak against mRNA vaccines are being censored by your
"true news" western media. saying mmRNA vaccines are weapons of mass destruction ,that doctor ,who knows a little bit more than you ,she says that..

Personal insults and slander.... take a week off to think about why you come here.

BTW I don't watch the videos you post, nor do I bother watching Tsavos youtube videos supporting Navalny either... any idiot can make a video and say anything they please... and it is pretty clear you choose the videos that support your view and ignore ones that don't...

Great news from Tucumán, Argentina. A study on 590 health personnel volunteers, 45 y.o. on average, finds #SputnikV efficacy at 94.57%

https://twitter.com/sputnikvaccine/status/1365313930789335040

Czech Republic counts on Sputnik V vaccine supplies as soon as possible
The country’s President Milos Zeman told that he had sent a letter to his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin with a request to deliver the vaccine.

https://tass.com/world/1261075

Kiko wrote:Czech Republic counts on Sputnik V vaccine supplies as soon as possible
The country’s President Milos Zeman told that he had sent a letter to his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin with a request to deliver the vaccine.

https://tass.com/world/1261075

Czucked Republic:

"We'll send political representatives to attend illegally organized Nazivalny rallies, to fight VVP's totalitarian tyranny!!!!1!!1! And we'll expel your representatives from our Czucked Republic because they're SPIES!!!!!1!!!1!"


Also the Czucked Republic: "Please VVP, we beg on our knees....give us vaccine!!!!!!!

Spineless western poodles. Including Orban. A lot of cheap talk but at the next summit in Brussels they shut their mouth. Corrupt suckers!

'It’s not about geopolitics, but human health’: Czech PM signals country could use Russian Sputnik V vaccine without EU approval
28 Feb, 2021

https://www.rt.com/news/516808-czech-prime-minister-sputnik/

kvs wrote:

Hole wrote:Spineless western poodles. Including Orban. A lot of cheap talk but at the next summit in Brussels they shut their mouth. Corrupt suckers!

EU politicians sold their countries down the river.   We went from the EEC to EU to now super-centralized totalitarian EUSSR all in one big
slide down the slippery slope.   Nobody in Europe during the 1980s would have believed the current order would be established.   If anyone
needed direct evidence of the power of star chambers and "conspiracy theories" then the EU is it.   Do not even try to claim that this was
what the people wanted and clamored for.   They got taken for a ride and they are still on this ride.    

And the EU president is not even democratically elected but instead they're hand picked, and they got the nerve to lecture Russia about their demo-crazy.

Exactly... no democracy is involved in the EU structure... things are decided behind closed doors and everyone is demanded to comply or else...

I fully understand why the UK decided to leave... but if I was the UK I would have been demanding change and reform rather than just abandoning and economic group you attached yourself to a few decades before.

As usual democracy ended up being two opposing sides trying to appeal to a majority to get what they wanted... there were no debates and no discussion about what it might mean and even how it would be done.... no discussion... no debate... just pick a side... that is not democracy.

Decided to check the subreddit CovidVaccine for some laughs. Well, people died so it's not exactly a funny matter but the amount of programming these people have undergone makes them behave so bizar that it can only be answered by a good old fashioned laugh

Case study number 1. Dude's mom dies after the vaccine. HE DECIDES TO GET IT ANYWAY

Case study number two. Dude's entire body stops functioning after the first shot. HE DECIDES TO GET THE SECOND SHOT ANYWAY

It's the largest phase three trial in history, was always gonna be a wild ride.

Slovakia PM Matovic: We have started to buy #SputnikV vaccines from Russia without waiting for its registration with the EMA because we have no time to waste, there are not enough vaccines in the country, every day dozens of our citizens die from COVID-19.


https://twitter.com/sputnikvaccine/status/1366450577761304578