Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #3

A developing story in South Africa is that our first female heart surgeon, Dr Susan Vosloo is getting severe flak from our media and medical institutions for not towing the line on Covid. Despite media claims to the contrary, there seems to be a huge vaccine hesitancy in South Africa - especially amongst the male population. Now one of our leading heart surgeons has spoken out against the mRNA vaccines and the Covid plandemic.

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kvs wrote:

Australia is standing out as a Covid-19 oppression toilet.   Like the total lockdown because one 80 year old died and about
100 people out of 82,000 tested were found to have Covid.  

Again, terrible!

there is a major exodus , i predict of australian social media bloggers , for this covid19 prison camp , that the country have turned.. and so bad australia is becoming ,that australians prefer to live in china
than in ":Democratic" "freedom" anglo land..


Here is one of those popular international bloggers in australia leaving the country.. and celebrating like a major great event.  This lady accepted a quarantine of 21 days in total isolation   in china ,
to enter the country ,than to remain in their country . once the quarantine is over , she will be free to freely move over china and continue doing the things she likes , blogs ,traveling , in a country china , she have far more trust , than australia.




just think about this for a second. a young women , is leaving her family behind in australia prison camp and choose to go alone to china for living ,for a new life?  and she do it . not because she hates her family ,she actually have very good relations with them ,and they encouraged her to leave , than to stay in that lockdown prison of australia. and this makes sense.. i will have done the same , if i was in her parents shoes.  if you notice signs your country is going down to hell , and is becoming a totalitarian fascist dictatorship ,a prison camp, and the future looks grey in that country. the smartest things their parents can do ,is to invest somewhere else ,and send her daughter to china ,where she is very popular , to make money , for the family. she left her boyfriend in australia too,, and parents and friends,, and they all support her to leave australia.  their reasoning is clear , that let her , become stable and prosperous in china first ,make enough money to buy her house and prepare the ground ,for later their family and boyfriend in australia to join her and abandon their country if things don't improve there..  i will have leave to china too in no time , theres seem to be the only place ,that freedom still is possible. and that the economic future for jobs and society development looks strong.

just correction , the video is months old, she already have many several blogs of their adventures in china and she seem enjoying it a lot , being there. she blogs a lot about chinese food and touristic places.

my prediction is a major exodus of australians to china ,hundred of thousands or even millions will move and follow the example of that blooger. is kind of funny to see things reverse .
just 2 years ago , chinesse riches moved to australia for the better weather and environment and for the more freedoms.

It is incredible and what's even more astounding is that most Australians seems to gobble up this shite!
Well New Zealand is not far behind. Level 4 lockdown in some place because ONE person tested positive - and more places will follow into lockdown!

Well in New Zealand we have been living normally for more than 6 months with no new cases... now we have 7 that came from Australia and so we had a lockdown for 3 days for the whole country and a week in the location the infected person was found to first of all work out where it came from and work out the extent of the infections.

That is nothing like living in nazi germany like some of you are suggesting, and it really is not that big of a deal... our total Covid numbers are about 2,500 infected and 26 dead and we are working through getting vaccinated... what else are we supposed to do... open our borders and let you infected zombies in willy nilly?

I think some of you guys don't understand how flu spreads and that taking no measures to stop the spread leads to situations in some of your countries now.

If you politicians had acted faster and taken this a bit more seriously and closed borders and contained the numbers with the virus it would not have gotten so out of control and uncontrollable... but that ship has passed.

And showing shallow bitches leaving Australia to go an live in China so they can travel around more is just selfish and self centred... rats dessert a ship taking on water... but then they earn money by being shallow empty people so why am I not very surprised.

Posting them here like they are heroes is the equivalent of Kardashian worship... hope you are proud.

GarryB wrote:
And showing shallow bitches leaving Australia to go an live in China so they can travel around more is just selfish and self centred... rats dessert a ship taking on water... but then they earn money by being shallow empty people so why am I not very surprised.

Posting them here like they are heroes is the equivalent of Kardashian worship... hope you are proud.

They are leaving because they don't trust their facist like government and want more freedom and life and they don't want mandatory vaccinations , with this depopulation genetical experiments vaccines..  that the "Democratic" anglo world is forcing in the population.  

so that can be understood perfectly.. they don't trust in your english speaking governments and china appears to be a better place for them.  i mean , i saw how in australia , police enter in a private house and arrest a pregnant mother like if she was a criminal, for  refusing to use a face mask in open  outdoors..   you know she was pregnant and she wanted the best possible oxygen for her unborn baby .so australia today is totalitarian dictatorship state.. and so it is with all anglo powers and some countries in europe too. the anglo governments are intentionally pushing into pooverty out of business ,the vast majority of the middle class and those with small business.

so if you can't understand that , that people wants freedom, and no longer see a future in their english speaking lands.. then im sorry for you , being so disconnected to what society needs.
society wants freedom and a job and prosperity , and they don't see much future , in this endless lockdowns they are being imposed by force and neither they want now , their government to control
their health , and force them into vaccinations with experimental and untested properly vaccines ,that kills and injure at times people.  

Look at the recent report of international canadian journalist , that works for many media and reported recently. she will not be able to return to Canada ever again to see her family. because of their brutal lockdowns and mandatory vaccines programs in all population..

I'll likely only see my family on a screen from now on, because I don't want the Covid jab. What happened to ‘my body, my choice’?

My country, Canada, has chosen to implement increasingly draconian and frankly unscientific policies in the name of ‘protecting’ people. What Canadian authorities are really doing is ensuring an uptake of the experimental jabs. Don't want to take them? No worries, but you're not welcome in Canada.

Recently, my RT colleague, Rachel Marsden, described her anguish at being forced to turn away from her country and family because Canada has decided it is the ‘science police’ and has decided which ‘science’ matters.

Marsden was ordered to comply with a three-day stay at one of Canada's Covid internment hotels, costing roughly Can$2,000, plus two weeks' quarantine. The other two options were to pay a roughly $6,000 fine if she simply walked out of the airport, or to book a flight back out of Canada – the cheapest option.

The anti-science aspect of Canada's policies in refusing her natural immunity indicates that Canada is more interested in pushing vaccinations than public health.

And, as she wrote, “The Canadian government, by behaving in this manner, is routinely criminalizing those with Covid antibodies that are not derived from a manufactured experimental vaccine.”

This looks to me , like an horror story , that canada no longer give a shit about doctors recommendations  and that wants to forcefully vaccinate all population ,regardless of their health
condition , or forcing to vaccinate people ,with confirmed natural immunity to covid.

This report clearly shows ,the anglo countries , really don't give a shit about saving people lives,
and all they want is to vaccinate the entire world , with their untested , unproven to work vaccines
shots , that they rushed to the marked in just 6 months , that is killing and injuring seriously people ,and that it is completly unknow its long term effects in the population..


this is  the first time in human history ,that a vaccine shot is produced and "Tested to be safe" in just 6 months.. when all other previous vaccines , to previous viruses took at least 10-15  years ,from production , to sales.

and on top of that they refuse to cooperate with other vaccines makers , like russia or china.
so they don't recognize valid ,vaccination with other nations proven to be effective .

so is not "SAving lives" what the anglo countries are interested. is controlling population instead.
this is what they really want.. and it is quite sad , to see people , happy with the idea of becoming laboratory experiments of the pharma industry . They told to vaccinate , to stop covid , now they tell you ,well , you will get covid anyway , but it will save your life.. but guess what? vaccinating with those genetical experiment shots , will not protect you at all from covid ,there are plenty of testimonies of people hospitalized from covid ,even after getting the shot , amd have seen reports of people who died , from covid , even after being fully vaccinated , so what's the point of the vaccinatons ? , if still they don't work after all , and still force you into lockdowns whether you are vaccinated or not .

GarryB wrote:

Well in New Zealand we have been living normally for more than 6 months with no new cases... now we have 7 that came from Australia and so we had a lockdown for 3 days for the whole country and a week in the location the infected person was found to first of all work out where it came from and work out the extent of the infections.

That is nothing like living in nazi germany like some of you are suggesting, and it really is not that big of a deal... our total Covid numbers are about 2,500 infected and 26 dead and we are working through getting vaccinated... what else are we supposed to do... open our borders and let you infected zombies in willy nilly?

I think some of you guys don't understand how flu spreads and that taking no measures to stop the spread leads to situations in some of your countries now.

If you politicians had acted faster and taken this a bit more seriously and closed borders and contained the numbers with the virus it would not have gotten so out of control and uncontrollable... but that ship has passed.

And showing shallow bitches leaving Australia to go an live in China so they can travel around more is just selfish and self centred... rats dessert a ship taking on water... but then they earn money by being shallow empty people so why am I not very surprised.

Posting them here like they are heroes is the equivalent of Kardashian worship... hope you are proud.

With the initial outbrake South Africa was one of the first countries to go into "hard lockdown" with all economic activity coming to an abrupt halt for a couple of monts - despite a very poor economic state of affairs at the time. One could always argue that lives matter more than the economy, but if one does not have any food you will die. Currently our unemployment is around 40% but looking at the amount of people applying for relieve grants this figure is highly underestimated.

According to SA Stats we have a population of around 60 million and every year around 400 000+ people die from natural causes. More than half that number of deaths comes from people that would be at risk if they get Covid. Since the Covid issue 77 000 people have died due to Covid (17 months). At the one year mark that figure was at around 49 000. No pandemic there - in my opinion.

Sweden is a great example of how we should have handled the Covid issue. New Zealand and Australia completely over reacted (and still does) to a virus that most of us would have a 99% chance of survival according to the CDC.

Covid-19 is no worse than the common flu for people under 50 years of age. And the risk for those older than 50 is basically all related to
the metabological syndrome. If you are not a young whipper snapper then even if you are not obese, do some research on
metabological syndrome and the role of insulin in most diseases that afflict modern, over-fed humans.

Since no government ever went into lockdown mode over heart disease and the flu, the response to Covid-19 is just insane.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ confirms that SINCE the outbrake 4.4 million people has died from the virus. We do know that this figure includes those who for example died from falling off a ladder but tested positive in a PCR test.

The world's leading killer is in fact Coronary Heart Disease. In 2018 9.4 million has died from this disease alone. The word pandemic has never been mentioned when it comes to Coronary Heart Disease?

The response to Covid-19 is irrational like the fear of nuclear power. Vastly more people (millions vs. not even a hundred) have died
from coal (and oil) power plants compared to Chernobyl, Fukushima, Three Mile Island and any other civilian nuclear power incident.
But all the fixation is on that black magic called radioactive decay, because inhaling nanoparticle aerosol soot emissions and mercury
are just fine and dandy.

Well you guys can lose 40K per year and be fine with that.

Our economy has not collapsed and after the three day lock down for the whole country I would expect things to go back to normal... the comparisons to nazi germany are quite frankly insulting.

Vann, if you want to be an incubator to brew up a new strain of this virus then you go right ahead, that certainly is your choice, but don't expect to be accepted back into society where your lack of vaccination makes you pretty much like a rat in Europe during the periods of the bubonic plague... it makes you a spreader, so of course your personal freedoms will have to be limited for the greater good.

It is just basic common sense.

The word pandemic has never been mentioned when it comes to Coronary Heart Disease?

Is english a second language for you because normally you make sense but in this thread.... not so much.

You do understand people catch covid from other people, so you send someone with covid to stay in an old folks home that pretty soon everyone in that home will also have covid.

Can you understand that visiting that very same old folks home brings a risk of catching covid but ZERO risk of catching Coronary Heart Disease.

The newer variants of covid are even more contagious and dangerous because the current vaccines are not as effective against them and so the longer the virus is present in humans the more it will adapt and spread so we will never get rid of it... essentially every year vulnerable people get immunised against the flu... well that is going to continue but the flu they get vaccinated against will be some strain of covid.

GarryB wrote:

The word pandemic has never been mentioned when it comes to Coronary Heart Disease?

Is english a second language for you because normally you make sense but in this thread.... not so much.

You do understand people catch covid from other people, so you send someone with covid to stay in an old folks home that pretty soon everyone in that home will also have covid.

Can you understand that visiting that very same old folks home brings a risk of catching covid but ZERO risk of catching Coronary Heart Disease.

The newer variants of covid are even more contagious and dangerous because the current vaccines are not as effective against them and so the longer the virus is present in humans the more it will adapt and spread so we will never get rid of it... essentially every year vulnerable people get immunised against the flu... well that is going to continue but the flu they get vaccinated against will be some strain of covid.

English is a second language for me but that is no excuse (for me). What I meant by "pandemic" is that Coronary Heart Disease is the leading cause of death in the world (not in SA though) with millions more dying from it than from the Covid scam. The efforts that big pharma, the food processing industry and governments take to fight this disease is minuscule compared to Covid. Yet if peoples lives really mattered to these guys you would expect a different approach - wouldn't you?

As far as real pandemics are concerned there were 2 of those. The Black Plague and The Spanish Flu. Currently Covid pales in comparison to those two but this might change soon - but only time will tell which of us took the red pill. I am definitely willing to take the risk of getting sick from Covid - a disease you have 99% chance of surviving. In fact I believe that my wife and I already survived Covid a month or so ago. I trust my natural ability to survive this virus way more that any mRNA injection. In fact early indications are already there, that this injection will kill off your natural immune system. Pretty much like all those anti-bacterial products you can buy off the shelve - but FAR MORE deadly in the long run.

Dr. Robert Malone, a pioneer in the field of mRNA vaccines, shared a viral Twitter thread in July which lays out a disturbing trend; the most-vaccinated countries in the world are experiencing a surge in COVID-19 cases, while the least-vaccinated countries are not.

"This is worrying me quite a bit," tweeted Malone, embedding the lengthy thread authored by Twitter user @holmenkollin (Corona Realism) via the 'thread reader' app.



A lot of people in South Africa can - for once - thank the Government for having a disastrous vaccine roll-out

Never get your health advice from the mass media. And yes, some guy on Youtube can be a better source of information
if you have the brains to assess the citations and the arguments. The typical journalist excrement that passes for articles
consists of no actual study citations and relies on various organizations as a "source". Would you trust the American (and Canadian)
Diabetes Association as a credible source when they promote high carb diets that are basically sugar? Sugar (carbs) has zero
nutritional value aside from energy. Well, you can get energy from protein and fats. But sugar requires insulin to control.

This crap has been going on for decades, but thanks to the Covid scam, many people are starting to question this "dogma" we've been fed by big pharma (Rockefeller being the catalyst of it all). We now begin to see a lot of resistance and protests. Perhaps there is a revolution brewing?

What I meant by "pandemic" is that Coronary Heart Disease is the leading cause of death in the world (not in SA though) with millions more dying from it than from the Covid scam.

You do understand that infectious diseases are not the same as non infectious diseases, and that you have to treat the different diseases differently because of this.

No one is demanding isolation and mask wearing for coronary heart disease because that would make no difference because it does not spread that way.

Covid, on the other hand is an infectious disease that seems to spread very very rapidly and stronger action needs to be taken to prevent it spreading.... including lockdowns and including mask wearing and including vaccinations.

There is nothing fascist about it for fucks sake... it kills the elderly and the weak the Nazi party of Germany would demand everyone get infected to purify the race and strengthen the genes pool.

The efforts that big pharma, the food processing industry and governments take to fight this disease is minuscule compared to Covid.

In fact you could say all those groups are contributing to the problem... big pharma wants more customers to treat rather than cure, the food industry just wants to sell more product and the government don't care about the people, they just say what the people who give them their biggest campaign contributions say... whether they are big pharm or food industry CEOs.

But again the problem is fascism... the government could say no more meat... nor more this or that... and people like you would jump up and down and complain that it is a problem but it is our choice as to what we do and how we live, so why would they even bother?

How often do you see a doctor?

Do they tell you to lose weight and get more exercise and have a better diet... of course they do... they all do... and everyone says yes they will and then they eat what they like when they like and they have a heart attack because people are fucking stupid.

Smoke all your life... get told all your life it is bad... then they find a dark spot on your lung and you quit just like that... and then complain that no one warned you of the dangers of smoking... or worse... you can't stop... and you die.... blaming everyone else but yourself.

Freedom of choice.

The thing is that the difference with Covid is that it is not just about you.

Yet if peoples lives really mattered to these guys you would expect a different approach - wouldn't you?

No. In a democracy a politician does not stay in their position by doing a good job or being a good person... it is all about power, and that power is based on popularity... which is often as much about hiding your mistakes and choices from the general public and keeping your head down so all the alternatives look worse than you than it does about being a good politician and good person.

As far as real pandemics are concerned there were 2 of those. The Black Plague and The Spanish Flu.

Bullshit. They were both highly localised because to travel the world took weeks because it was mostly by ship and so it could not spread across the entire globe.

This is just the beginning... with transport links around the world meaning you can get on a plane and be half way around the world so fast if you go a certain way you can actually arrive before you left depending on the time zones.

Mother nature is one thing but man made diseases are another... imagine a disease that took three weeks to incubate so you didn't know you had it for three weeks, but was highly contagious for those three weeks... even if it just made 95% of those infected sterile... imagine the effect...

We really don't know what long term effects Covid has on a person, there might be damage to all sorts of organs we don't know about and wont know about for years...

Currently Covid pales in comparison to those two but this might change soon

It has infected all sorts of people all around the world the likely number of different strains and variations there will be is likely to be enormous.

Dr. Robert Malone, a pioneer in the field of mRNA vaccines, shared a viral Twitter thread in July which lays out a disturbing trend; the most-vaccinated countries in the world are experiencing a surge in COVID-19 cases, while the least-vaccinated countries are not.

Yeah, my friend has asthma and he takes asthma medication... and of all my friends the only people I know who have asthma also take asthma medication... maybe asthma medication causes asthma?

Perhaps the countries that are most vaccinated did so because they also had the biggest infection rates and fastest spreads because of their culture or climate.

We now begin to see a lot of resistance and protests. Perhaps there is a revolution brewing

But there wont be any need for a revolution when all the vaccinated people are dead right?

It should essentially sort itself out.

@ Gary
Where on earth do you get the idea from that I compared New Zealand's covid lockdown to facism and the Nazi party of Germany!!??

Covid is a viral infection - just like the flu and even the common cold. Have we ever been forced to wear masks, closed shops and businesses and borders for those as well? You can get a flu shot every year but they take three known strains to develop the shot, which makes it useless against any new strain. Why? Because any virus keeps on mutating in order to survive. In other words you can never KILL the flu nor the common cold. Your natural immune system deals with it. Good luck with all the so-called vaccines!

Covid is no more dangerous that the flu. About 56 000 people die in SA every year of flue related complications. 49 000 people died in SA within the first year of the epidemic due to covid related issues. OFFICIALLY SA HAD NO FLU SEASON DURING THAT SAME PERIOD. The "no annual flu" applied to many other countries.

I've explained my reference around CHD so not going to go there again BUT yes it is NOT an infectious disease.

The magic disappearance of the flu demonstrates that Covid-19 is not an honest response to a new virus. I refuse to be subjected
to the mRNA "vaccine" experiment. Give me a real vaccine or GTFO.

@Gary

Just a few more points as I have a bit more time to respond:

I've mentioned the Black Plague and The Spanish Flu. You claim they were localized. The Spanish Flu was from February 1918 – April 1920. It started in the US and spread throughout the world. Over a period of just over two years it is estimated that it killed up to 100 million people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

The Black Plague was the worst epidemic ever. It occurred over a period of 7 years (1346–1353) and wasn't exactly localized as well. The plague spread throughout Eurasia and North Africa killing an estimated 200 million people. Some estimates are as high as 500 million!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

Now to put this in perspective - covid has been going for 18 months now and 4.4 million people died (despite that these figures are highly controversial - like the fact that there are suddenly no flu around). This total is about 5 million short of the total people that die from CHD every year.

You sort of asked when last did I visit a doctor? Would you believe it if I tell you it was back in 1995?

Sound advice from the Spanish Flu >> esp where and when to wear a mask and the fear factor 

Give me a real vaccine or GTFO.

Russian scientists develop new variant of Sputnik V vaccine, modified to deal with fast-spreading deadly Delta strain of Covid-19, 19.08.2021.

The team behind Russia's pioneering coronavirus vaccine, Sputnik V, has said that plans have already been put in place to adapt the formula based on genetic sequencing from the new Delta variant, which is resistant to some jabs.
Alexander Gintzburg, who heads up Moscow's Gamaleya Institute, told Interfax on Thursday that a modified version of Sputnik V had been created. “There is already a vaccine design in the refrigerator,” the scientist revealed.

However, he said, despite a number of researchers and pharmaceutical companies showing interest in including the variant's genetic makeup in their formulas, “nobody can say up front whether it will work better against the strain.”

A record-breaking spike in Covid-19 deaths across Russia in recent weeks has been attributed to the Delta form of the virus. “Now [the cases] are 100% Delta,” Gintzburg declared. He added that there is still the possibility of “other mutations” giving rise to more dangerous variants. However, the academic said, “I'm speaking in hypothetical terms because nobody ever – apart from God and Charles Darwin – knows how evolution will go.”

More than 800 people have been recorded as dying from coronavirus each day since the start of July. While there has been a dip in the number of positive tests, fatalities have continued to increase. This has given rise to the fear that infections are more frequently leading to death than was the case with the original strain of the virus.

Moscow and a number of other regions announced stringent new rules to deal with a rise in new cases in June, requiring punters to show proof of vaccination before setting foot in a bar, cafe or restaurant. These rules were relaxed within a matter of weeks, with businesses expressing concern over falling footfall. However, requirements for public-facing staff in industries like hospitality, transport and leisure to be vaccinated against Covid-19 have remained in place. Employees who refuse can be sent home indefinitely without pay.

https://www.rt.com/russia/532498-sputnikv-new-variant-delta/

Where on earth do you get the idea from that I compared New Zealand's covid lockdown to facism and the Nazi party of Germany!!??

Read Vanns posts about Australia...

Covid is a viral infection - just like the flu and even the common cold.

About 56 000 people die in SA every year of flue related complications. 49 000 people died in SA within the first year of the epidemic due to covid related issues.

Amusing, so because you personally don't feel threatened then nothing should be done... it just kills the old and the weak so why can't we go partying at the beach.

Covid is a viral infection - just like the flu and even the common cold. Have we ever been forced to wear masks, closed shops and businesses and borders for those as well? You can get a flu shot every year but they take three known strains to develop the shot, which makes it useless against any new strain. Why? Because any virus keeps on mutating in order to survive. In other words you can never KILL the flu nor the common cold. Your natural immune system deals with it. Good luck with all the so-called vaccines!

We can't kill normal flu because it got out of hand and there are too many different variants of that that are also created every year in new hosts who were not seriously effected so they didn't bother getting immunised or stay home from work either.

There are diseases that have been largely eliminated through vaccines, but you could care less because this virus has such a low kill rate in your post code for people like you.

The magic disappearance of the flu demonstrates that Covid-19 is not an honest response to a new virus. I refuse to be subjected
to the mRNA "vaccine" experiment. Give me a real vaccine or GTFO.

You are an intelligent person.... there is nothing magic about the general disappearance of normal flues simply because the precautions we are taking against Covid would clearly have dealt a fatal blow to normal flues and could have done so if we could be bothered.

We can be bothered with Covid because it is rather more contagious and therefore more dangerous than the ordinary flu.

Remember Trump said it was just a flu too and look at the shit they are in now... more deaths than anyone else...

I've mentioned the Black Plague and The Spanish Flu. You claim they were localized. The Spanish Flu was from February 1918 – April 1920. It started in the US and spread throughout the world. Over a period of just over two years it is estimated that it killed up to 100 million people.

Estimates range from 17 to 100 million.... interesting you choose the highest figure...

The Black Plague was the worst epidemic ever. It occurred over a period of 7 years (1346–1353) and wasn't exactly localized as well. The plague spread throughout Eurasia and North Africa killing an estimated 200 million people. Some estimates are as high as 500 million!

Why not a billion? Or a trillion?

How many need to be dead before they can justify lockdowns and mask wearing?

Now to put this in perspective - covid has been going for 18 months now and 4.4 million people died (despite that these figures are highly controversial - like the fact that there are suddenly no flu around). This total is about 5 million short of the total people that die from CHD every year.

Why do you keep on about CHD?

How about the number of people who die each year by their own choice of smoking... I mean if those people want to die then wouldn't that be a better rule of thumb... anything less than those that commit suicide by smoking or drinking can be ignored you say.

Governments should ignore warnings from health professionals and catching or spreading lethal diseases should not get in the way of production or working or trade... just take your chances...

The real reasons most Governments have lockdowns is because they don't want to spend more money on hospital beds and doctors and nurses and dealing with all these dead bodies.

Tell be though if everything else kills people at a much higher rate... even the normal flu mortality rate is higher than covid why were they struggling with beds in hospitals... why were grave diggers and morticians having stacks of bodies in trucks... surely there should be less need for beds and less need for graves because covid is not as deadly as normal flu and other normal things that are killing people anyway like smoking or CHD?

Sound advice from the Spanish Flu >> esp where and when to wear a mask and the fear factor

Of course... wearing a mask is stupid... but tell me... why do surgeons wear masks, and doctors too... do they do it so they don't have to brush their teeth... perhaps all masks should be banned...

Along with all vaccines because we really will never know what is in them... maybe microchips that can be tracked by satellite, or aluminium to give us all cancer...

But surely they don't want us all dead because some of us will be useful so how do they separate the useful from the chaff?

The team behind Russia's pioneering coronavirus vaccine, Sputnik V, has said that plans have already been put in place to adapt the formula based on genetic sequencing from the new Delta variant, which is resistant to some jabs.
Alexander Gintzburg, who heads up Moscow's Gamaleya Institute, told Interfax on Thursday that a modified version of Sputnik V had been created. “There is already a vaccine design in the refrigerator,” the scientist revealed.

They should not bother, because more dangerous strains are inevidible... so what is the point.

Read Vanns posts about Australia...

What on earth has Vann's posting to do with whatever I said!? You seem to use things out of context to suite your point of view?

Amusing, so because you personally don't feel threatened then nothing should be done... it just kills the old and the weak so why can't we go partying at the beach.

I've said several times that Sweden took the correct approach - and it shows that they did. We should have done the same.

We can't kill normal flu because it got out of hand and there are too many different variants of that that are also created every year in new hosts who were not seriously effected so they didn't bother getting immunised or stay home from work either.

People die from the flu yes, but it is not out of hand. The vast majority of peoples natural immune system can cope with the annual flu.

There are diseases that have been largely eliminated through vaccines, but you could care less because this virus has such a low kill rate in your post code for people like you.

It's a very simple known scientific and medical fact that you can't develop an effective vaccine against a virus as it keeps on mutating, but for most of us our natural immune system can eventually cope to live with it.

You are an intelligent person.... there is nothing magic about the general disappearance of normal flues simply because the precautions we are taking against Covid would clearly have dealt a fatal blow to normal flues and could have done so if we could be bothered.

Keep on believing that.

We can be bothered with Covid because it is rather more contagious and therefore more dangerous than the ordinary flu.

I have just factually illustrated in my previous post that it's not..."About 56 000 people die in SA every year of flue related complications. 49 000 people died in SA within the first year of the epidemic due to covid related issues."

Remember Trump said it was just a flu too and look at the shit they are in now... more deaths than anyone else...

It is known that If you died of a heart attack or whatever - AND you had a positive PCR test - you died from covid "complications"and not from a heart attack. This is exactly what happened to our local pharmacist for example!

Estimates range from 17 to 100 million.... interesting you choose the highest figure...

Note that I used the phrase "up to 100million".

BTW when I first mentioned these two epidemics in my previous post your immediate reaction was "bullshit" and that they were "localized". How about that!

Just look at the facts Gary - it's pure and simple. In 2018 - over a period of ONE year - nearly 3 million people died from Influenza and Pneumonia - in nearly 2 years 4.4 people died from Covid. Can you see the similarity? Again this figure also illustrates perfectly that covid is no more dangerous than the flu.

Of course... wearing a mask is stupid... but tell me... why do surgeons wear masks, and doctors too... do they do it so they don't have to brush their teeth... perhaps all masks should be banned...

Even surgeons don't wear masks all the time during working hours. Mostly only in a sterile environment like an operating theater. The way masks are used now (mostly for psychological warfare) I would say a treaty to ban masks from public spaces is a brilliant idea!

It is nonsensical to claim that the flu disappeared because of anti-Covid measures. If Covid is spreading despite those measures,
then the flu must be as well. In fact, the flu is even more effective at airborne propagation and has a higher antigenic drift than
Covid. So, where are the flu cases?

There is no crowding out effect where only one virus can infect a human at one time. Anyone can be infected with any number
of viral and microbial diseases at the same time. The result is quicker death or more severe symptoms and ICU residency.

I have not heard a single mention of the flu and Covid interacting. The flu just disappeared from the official statistics and discussion.
This is propaganda BS by omission and miscounting. As posted by Mir, we have heart attack cases being attributed as Covid-19
mortality. This is criminal misinformation.

OMG!

I have just read an article in one of our leading online mainstream news outlets where in a lengthy article they criticized the way Sputnik V was developed.
The article also mentions "Pfizer (our vaccine roll-out uses this jab)" and there are comparisons made between the two.

You can read all the BS here >> but don't bother.
https://www.news24.com/health24/medical/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/how-not-to-run-a-vaccine-clinical-trial-the-sputnik-case-study-20210819

I was curious to know who wrote the article and right at the end credit was given to Bhekisisa Centre For Health Journalism (sounds very noble indeed!)
I took the liberty of taking a look at Bhekisisisa's website and clicked on the donors tab and what do you know - the leading donor is the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the second one is Mr Soros, the world's leading medical professionals - lovely!

How would some paid whore NATzO journalist know about the process of Sputnik V development?

The makers of the vaccine have already said that it was six years in the making and started with the effort to deal with
MARS (a SARS variant). Any criticism is thus pure hate propaganda. Obviously no corners were cut and the published
statistics on side effects (death, permanent health damage) put Sputnik V way ahead of both Pfizer and Moderna's
experimental mRNA "vaccines" that were clearly rushed through development and rushed for approval by the maggots
who sell the electorate down the river to fellate Big Pharma and every other corporate pimp.

Maybe Bill and Melinda took her out for dinner and whispered sweet nothings in her ear?

I've said several times that Sweden took the correct approach - and it shows that they did. We should have done the same.

I would say with less than 3,000 cases and only 26 deaths that New Zealands approach worked too...

People die from the flu yes, but it is not out of hand. The vast majority of peoples natural immune system can cope with the annual flu.

But you are claiming deaths from normal flu are similar to current deaths from Covid... except not everyone gets the normal flu but without measures and containment most people seem to get covid.

It's a very simple known scientific and medical fact that you can't develop an effective vaccine against a virus as it keeps on mutating, but for most of us our natural immune system can eventually cope to live with it.

Known from whom? Malaria has been around for centuries... you want to pit your natural immunity against that?

Malaria has probably killed more people than people have...

Keep on believing that.

A virus survives by moving from host to host and mutating over time... if everyone washed their hands and took other measures to prevent the transmission of the normal flu it wont have time or the chance to mutate to spread faster and easier like covid does.

I have just factually illustrated in my previous post that it's not..."About 56 000 people die in SA every year of flue related complications. 49 000 people died in SA within the first year of the epidemic due to covid related issues."

Except extraordinary precautions were taken during the epidemic that were not taken normally... before covid when was the last time you used antiseptic handwash more than once a week or month?

But lets pretend you are right... what are you suggesting... herd all the vulnerable people into ghettos and vaccinate them and leave everyone else to carry on normally.

The figures given show 99% survival rate for all the age groups except the older ones, but even 1 chance in a hundred is more than I am willing to risk when the stakes are my health and my life... but you go right ahead. I am sure you will be fine.

It is known that If you died of a heart attack or whatever - AND you had a positive PCR test - you died from covid "complications"and not from a heart attack. This is exactly what happened to our local pharmacist for example!

Wouldn't that also apply to your normal flu statistics?

This is not a pandemic because of its lethality, but its rate of transmission and ability to spread.

BTW when I first mentioned these two epidemics in my previous post your immediate reaction was "bullshit" and that they were "localized". How about that!

Yeah... the Falklands war was a tiny war compared with WWI or WWII... should it be not called a war because not enough countries were involved and not enough people died?

Why do you think previous pandemics being more lethal... and taking the highest death estimates as an example... means this current situation is not a pandemic... selectively choosing the highest estimate is like saying the people killed in car accidents that had the spanish flu were killed by spanish flu... gee... where have I heard that before?

Just look at the facts Gary - it's pure and simple. In 2018 - over a period of ONE year - nearly 3 million people died from Influenza and Pneumonia - in nearly 2 years 4.4 people died from Covid. Can you see the similarity? Again this figure also illustrates perfectly that covid is no more dangerous than the flu.

It is not over by any stretch of the imagination... perhaps all the young people on the planet should be given full strength covid and lets just create a herd immunity... why don't you go to your local hospital and volunteer so you can give some covid patient a nice kiss on the lips... pick a pretty one... you seem very confident playing with your health like that.

Even surgeons don't wear masks all the time during working hours. Mostly only in a sterile environment like an operating theater.

Staff in a contagious diseases ward wear more than just masks...

The way masks are used now (mostly for psychological warfare) I would say a treaty to ban masks from public spaces is a brilliant idea!

Would seriously effect SWAT teams in their ninja suits.

If Covid is spreading despite those measures,
then the flu must be as well.

Why do you think that makes sense?

If there are no cases of normal flu then there are no cases... all people with flu like symptoms will be getting checked for Covid pretty quickly so they would know if they had Covid or normal flu...

In fact, the flu is even more effective at airborne propagation and has a higher antigenic drift than
Covid. So, where are the flu cases?

The satellites that track us are currently turned down so the signals are not strong enough for normal flu to be carried around.... or it could be the masks preventing people with the flu from wiping their noses and then touching things like door handles and hand rails and spreading it to everyone else... those damn fucking masks.

There is no crowding out effect where only one virus can infect a human at one time.

The measures used to deal with Covid should be rather more effective at dealing with a less contagious flu virus.

The flu just disappeared from the official statistics and discussion.

So it is a political thing... Hey... had a brilliant idea... they could say mask wearing reduces CO2 emissions from humans so we have to wear them all the time because of climate change... then we can be made to wear masks all the time and for the foreseeable future... that is what this covid scam is all about... selling masks?

As posted by Mir, we have heart attack cases being attributed as Covid-19
mortality. This is criminal misinformation.

Is it though. I would think a person with heart problems would be most likely to die if they caught the flu and overwhelmed the bodies defences and in their weakened state they die.... without the covid they might not have died... which makes the covid the reason for the death.

Of course eating greasy unhealthy food all your life and being 200kgs and smoking five packs of cigarrettes a day likely might have contributed too.

I have just read an article in one of our leading online mainstream news outlets where in a lengthy article they criticized the way Sputnik V was developed.
The article also mentions "Pfizer (our vaccine roll-out uses this jab)" and there are comparisons made between the two.

You can read all the BS here >> but don't bother.
https://www.news24.com/health24/medical/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/how-not-to-run-a-vaccine-clinical-trial-the-sputnik-case-study-20210819

I was curious to know who wrote the article and right at the end credit was given to Bhekisisa Centre For Health Journalism (sounds very noble indeed!)
I took the liberty of taking a look at Bhekisisisa's website and clicked on the donors tab and what do you know - the leading donor is the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the second one is Mr Soros, the world's leading medical professionals - lovely!

It is pretty obvious isn't it?



Rushed Vaccine hey...