Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #4

Mir wrote:Our natural way of being is to expose ourselves to all sorts of stuff. We touch things all the time. We put things in our mouth well before we can even walk. That is how we develop our own natural immune system.

Have you ever exposed yourself to HIV AIDS, smallpox, measles, polio, mumps, tetanus, VHF using the excuse of natural immunity ?

What do you do when you get infected with a contagious disease ? Do you tell your friends and relatives to keep a distance from you and do things cautiously so that they will not get infected themselves ?

Mir wrote:Look at all the covid spikes so far. Infection rates are skyrocketing with each spike - despite all the vaccines.

Look at all the countries affected by covid so far. How many countries have seriously and consistently follow the Zero Covid policy in both word and action like China ? And what does China get and what does they get ?

Even Cuba who relies significantly on tourism, also enforced serious control measurements and only relaxed it recently when most of her citizen get administered by the proper vaccine of them and when the pandemic situation was essentially brought under control.

All of the medical authorities advise against your stance of "natural immunity" and warn that uncontrolled outbreaks will definitely overload the medical system, lead to spike in severe cases and fatality. Including the Chinese CDC.

Are you telling me that China is a puppet of American corporations ?

Mir wrote:Keep on living the unnatural life. Wear a mask 24/7 if you wish. Disinfect yourself every 5 minutes. Keep isolating yourself from others. Take the jabs every other month or so. Live the new normal.

Are you telling me exposing oneself to the disease then going around and spreading everywhere is the natural lifestyle ?

What is the expected lifespan and mortality rate of people in the past when medical knowledge and facility is limited and people barely had anything but their natural immunity to fend of diseases ?

Why are you and kvs so against the preventive healthcare when what it does is actually protecting you and your family from irresponsible people who may bring illness to you due to their irresponsibility ?

I'm not against preventative healthcare at all, but pumping your veins full of mRNA shit that fails the definition of a vaccine and believing it will save humanity is just full retard. Here in the West we have very little choice of what jab you can have. Perhaps if I lived in Russia, China or even Cuba I would have taken the jab, but no Pfizer for me thanks! My natural immunity has proven to be 10x more effective than any jab so I'll gladly stick with that thanks!

On the other hand >> no one who had the polio, MMR, chicken pox, influenza, HepB etc. vaccines ever worried about the unvaccinated giving them the disease. No this stupidity only started in 2021.

Fresh statistics just released shows a 90% increase in suicide from previous years in South Africa since the onset of the covid scam!

Mir wrote:I'm not against preventative healthcare at all, but pumping your veins full of mRNA shit that fails the definition of a vaccine and believing it will save humanity is just full retard. Here in the West we have very little choice of what jab you can have. Perhaps if I lived in Russia, China or even Cuba I would have taken the jab, but no Pfizer for me thanks! My natural immunity has proven to be 10x more effective than any jab so I'll gladly stick with that thanks!

On the other hand >> no one who had the polio, MMR, chicken pox, influenza, HepB etc. vaccines ever worried about the unvaccinated giving them the disease. No this stupidity only started in 2021.

But I do not claim and will never claim that Pfizer and Moderna are wonder cures.

I hope I make my stance about Pfizer and Moderna clear enough for you.

What I say is the policies of pandemic control and preventive healthcare at a whole, including social distance, quarantine, lockdown, disinfection, hygiene. Also the financial assistance and welfare for workingmen, small enterprises and poor people during the pandemic. Also the "three in-situ model" which allows the manufacture activities without dropping medical standards. And how the society and social resources are organized and mobilized to achieve the goal of pandemic control and social health.

And of course the enforcement or even crackdown against the big companies, including the Western Big Pharma, to force them spending more money for the greater good rather than using the pandemic to make more money like they are doing now.

The Western regimes are doing s**t does not mean rejecting the whole idea of prevention healthcare. It means you must demand them to do it properly.

Remember how Amazon got away with a very small penalty fee when the criminally failed to report their Covid cases ? If I were you I would rather demand the imprisonment of Jeff Bezos, the full confistication of his asset and putting whole Amazon under control of its workers and grassroot organizations to make sure that such gross violation of human rights will never happen again.

Now you understand why I say enforcing pandemic control is neither tyranny nor violation of individual freedom ? Pandemic control enforcement is protecting you from the abuse and exploitation of extremely irresponsible companies who want to exploit much from you and pay no attention to your human rights.

It is critical to see here that the Western regimes is doing things like s**t because they are protecting the big companies at the expense of the majority people, but that does not mean "covid is just a flu" or pandemic control is wrong.

I also have nothing against pandemic control. Even all the cooked official figures shows anything but a pandemic at the moment.
Feel free to show me pre-covid mortality figures in Vietnam for respiratory diseases compared to the period 2020 till now.

Perhaps you can also dig up the suicide rates compared to previous years?

Mir wrote:I'm not against preventative healthcare at all, but pumping your veins full of mRNA shit that fails the definition of a vaccine and believing it will save humanity is just full retard. Here in the West we have very little choice of what jab you can have. Perhaps if I lived in Russia, China or even Cuba I would have taken the jab, but no Pfizer for me thanks! My natural immunity has proven to be 10x more effective than any jab so I'll gladly stick with that thanks!

On the other hand >> no one who had the polio, MMR, chicken pox, influenza, HepB etc. vaccines ever worried about the unvaccinated giving them the disease. No this stupidity only started in 2021.

Vaxxer zealots are using games with words to engage in their hysteria.   The say you should get "vaccinated" as if there is only one vaccine or
they are all the same.   This is not what so-called "anti-vaxxers" are rightfully opposed to.   Here in Canada I have zero choice other than Pfizer
and Moderna.   After doing my due diligence and investigating the pathology of these "vaccines" in the actual peer reviewed literature and from
qualified sources, I have decided to give Justin "Skippy" Turdeau and his regime the middle finger.   I have not been getting sick and have
not been spreading either covid or any other disease.   I have an innate human right not to be subjected to a BS health impacting experiment
with long term unproven "vaccines" when there are clearly safer alternatives. The mRNA wonder cures have been established to be substantially
more damaging than any of the adenovirus vector vaccines.

Meanwhile vaxxer zealots are spreading covid like there is no tomorrow.   These whackos then proceed to engage in lynch mob "justice" against
the unvaxxed without even consideration for their status as spreaders.    A naturally immunized individual is less of a spreader than a vaxxed
zealot.   This is evident from the sub 1% reinfection rate in the naturally immunized.   Their immune systems are better able to fight off the
virus than the vaxxed.   This is because the vaxxed have only the spike protein antibodies and those antibodies are not effective against
mutated variants.   A naturally immunized individual has over a dozen antibody types that can attack unmutated and less mutated viral
antigens.

This is because the vaxxed have only the spike protein antibodies and those antibodies are not effective against
mutated variants. A naturally immunized individual has over a dozen antibody types that can attack unmutated and less mutated viral
antigens.

Absolutely! With the new Omicron "variant" we are going to see a renewed and intense drive to force vaccination onto the unvaxxed.

Let's remind these arseholes that we are not their guinea pigs

Confirming the scam >>

Mass vaccination fails to halt Covid transmission rates – study

https://www.rt.com/news/541900-mass-vaccination-covid-transmission/

Successful vaccine rollouts have failed to stop Covid transmission, with new data showing the prevalence of the virus increasing in fully jabbed individuals, according to a medical study in The Lancet.

Examining new infections in Germany, researchers found that the rate of cases among fully vaccinated individuals aged 60 and older has risen from 16.9% in July to 58.9% in October.

Offering a clear assessment that fully vaccinated people are increasingly becoming the source of Covid transmission, the study identified a similar situation in the UK. Throughout Britain, the number of household contacts exposed to unvaccinated cases (23%) was slightly lower than the number exposed to vaccinated individuals (25%).

In the space of three weeks in Britain, 100 Covid cases were reported among individuals who are 60 or older. Out of those infections, 89.7% of people were fully vaccinated, while 3.4% were unvaccinated.

More concerning for researchers, in Israel, an outbreak that infected multiple healthcare workers and patients, as well as their family members, came from a fully vaccinated hospital patient.

Backing up the fears expressed in the study, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) currently lists four of the five areas across the US with the highest percentage of fully vaccinated individuals as high transmission counties.

Researchers warned that decision makers must acknowledge the risk that is still posed by vaccinated individuals.

"It appears to be grossly negligent to ignore the vaccinated population as a possible and relevant source of transmission when deciding about public health control measures."

The research released in The Lancet comes as countries weigh imposing Covid vaccine mandates to help protect citizens from the spread of the omicron variant and a potential resurgence in case numbers. Greece became the first nation in the EU to implement a Covid vaccine requirement, threatening all over-60s who don’t get the jab with a monthly fine.

One more cup of coffee for the road
One more cup of coffee 'fore I go.
To the valley below.

Bod Dylan

The non-shill experts predicted this already early in 2020. All that the vaccine does is create selection pressure on the virus. The
virus mutates inside the host and not just somewhere out there. This happens with the flu as well. So we have strains evolving that
survive the vaccine antibodies. These idiot politicians and journalists have no clue about the science. They really thought that
the vaccination campaign would eradicate this virus. Covid-19 is not smallpox. Not all RNA viruses are the same and as with the flu
we have enough that will never be eradicated (without some sort of sci-fi stasis quarantine for every human and animal that can
host and transmit the disease).

Instead of getting with the science and reality, we have insane plans to double down.



Fines and jail time for refusing the government selected vaccines.

From the above video it is clear that the house of cards is about to collapse. Lets hope we skip the Dark Ages bit!

A bit dated but relevant. She had serious symptoms from the AstraZeneca vaccine. In my opinion she suffered from a series of
clots causing types of stroke in her brain. She did not get a full bore stroke, but her symptoms are consistent with strokes. I guess
she is rather lucky not to have been paralyzed or even not dying. AstraZeneca causes clotting but so do the mRNA wonder cures.
It looks like in both cases the criminally negligent injection without needle aspiration is a key detail.

In the space of three weeks in Britain, 100 Covid cases were reported among individuals who are 60 or older. Out of those infections, 89.7% of people were fully vaccinated, while 3.4% were unvaccinated.

So a country with almost 70 million people, I would think 100 Covid cases over a three week period is a good result, the question is.... would transmission rates be so low without vaccination...

When a large percentage of the over 60 population are vaccinated then of course they are going to be the majority when looking at those infected.

More relevant information would be how many of those were hospitalised and if any died... which is absent in this story... like that didn't matter.

The FDA's attempt to get a 55 year lock on documents related to its approval of mRNA vaccines failed.

link

(https://twitter.com/iGNORANTCHiMP/status/1465992238689923081)

The issue is what chance of dying you have from other vaccine types and the virus itself.   Vaccines are being treated like drugs.
So they are the same treat the symptoms and not the cause criminality we see in the rest of modern corrupt medicine.

GarryB wrote:

In the space of three weeks in Britain, 100 Covid cases were reported among individuals who are 60 or older. Out of those infections, 89.7% of people were fully vaccinated, while 3.4% were unvaccinated.

So a country with almost 70 million people, I would think 100 Covid cases over a three week period is a good result, the question is.... would transmission rates be so low without vaccination...

When a large percentage of the over 60 population are vaccinated then of course they are going to be the majority when looking at those infected.

More relevant information would be how many of those were hospitalised and if any died... which is absent in this story... like that didn't matter.

Here is your answer to your question - this study was done from February through to August 2021 >>
https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/27/uk-study-most-covid-deaths-occur-in-fully-vaccinated-people/

Only one third of all deaths by the alleged delta variant were among those who did not get the shot, calling into question the assumption by vaccine advocates that the shots were “saving lives”.

From February 1 through August 2, Britain recorded 742 deaths from the delta variant. Of these, 402 were fully vaccinated while 79 had received just one shot. The remaining 253 cases were unvaccinated.

In Israel and the US state of Vermont too, a majority of new hospitalizations were “fully vaccinated”.

Meanwhile, the perfectly healthy Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after taking the first dose of the vaccine. Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks confirmed that Shaw had died of the vaccine causing blood clots in her brain.

The 500 pages is a mistake, see the twitter link I posted, the original poster made a mistake.  

The document at the link is for the adverse reactions cases and of those 2.8% at least are fatal.
But it is clear that the report is already massaged. It is a sub-sample of the total adverse reactions
and the bizarre female to male ratio shows this.

Apparently the Omicron variant is now being used to blame the side effects of mRNA wonder cures
on the virus itself. Yeah, throw whatever shit and hope it sticks.

Here in South Africa the media is in a new frenzy to push the unvaxxed nation into taking the jab and the government is again mulling over mandatory vaccines - despite the apparent mild symptoms of the so-called Omicron. No real mega uptake on people running for the jab so far but at least we'll be looking forward to cheaper fuel prices next month!

The real downside is that people in coastal towns and cities will have very little income for the second year running. Apparently the corona virus has very little chance of surviving in hot climates, but it has no problems over here during the Christmas period

"But the United States has balked."

Is it a tradition of America ?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/29/world/africa/coronavirus-omicron-variant-response.html

The W.H.O. convened a three-day special session to discuss a treaty that would ensure prompt sharing of data and technology and equitable access to vaccines. The European Union has pushed for the agreement to be legally binding, but the United States has balked.

https://theurbannews.com/national-news/2021/cubas-homegrown-covid-19-vaccines-poised-to-protect-millions-in-poor-nations/

Cuba’s Homegrown Covid-19 Vaccines Poised to Protect Millions in Poor Nations

As rich countries hoard doses and Big Pharma refuses to share the knowledge required to ramp up manufacturing, Cuba’s public biotech sector could play a key role in defeating vaccine apartheid.

While in the United States and other developed countries, lifesaving medicines are developed thanks largely to public funding before their profits and distribution are ruthlessly privatized for corporate enrichment, Cuba’s biotech sector is wholly publicly owned and funded. That means Cuba has decommodified a vital human resource—the exact opposite policy direction that we’ve seen in these last four decades of neoliberalism.

Cuba has poured billions of dollars into creating a domestic biotech industry since the 1980s, when a combination of an outbreak of dengue fever and new economic sanctions from then-president Ronald Reagan forced its hand. Despite a crushing blockade by the United States, responsible for a third of the world’s pharmaceutical production, Cuba’s biotech sector has thrived: it makes nearly 70% of the roughly eight hundred medicines that Cubans consume and eight of the eleven vaccines in the country’s national immunization program, and it exports hundreds of millions of vaccines a year. The revenues are then reinvested into the sector.

Journalist Paris Marx marveled at Cuba’s recent accomplishment. “Under U.S. embargo for 60 years,” they tweeted, “Cuba knew it would be hard to obtain Covid vaccines, so it made its own… and they could be key to vaccinating the world.”

“Being in Canada, it’s such a stark contrast,” Marx added. “Canada hasn’t even manufactured Covid vaccines, let alone developed them, after privatizing the public pharma company. Meanwhile, Cuba is not only measuring up to the top global pharma giants, it’s producing vaccines for export.

Marcetic wrote that “while Cuba’s rebound from the pandemic suggests [Bencomo’s] and the Cuban government’s confidence in the vaccines isn’t misplaced, it may take some more time for them to get the international scientific community’s official imprimatur.”

“Should it come,” he continued, “it would prove a powerful refutation of the corporate-driven vaccine model that has so far dominated, which holds that, in line with the talking points of Big Pharma, only profit-driven competition can produce the kind of lifesaving innovation the world is desperate for.”

The insane response to Covid-19 will be used as a precedent to foist the same BS with the flu. Mark my words.

The Anglo west is showing its true colours. Canada operated internment camps for Ukrainians and other "enemy aliens" during
WWI. It did the same thing in WWII for Japanese Canadians. It expropriated their property and herded them into concentration
camps supposedly because they were a risk. Australia is doing the same thing in 2021 using the same fig leaf excuse. As with
the Canadian concentration camps, the pretext is a lie and the whole exercise is nothing but human rights abuse.

The only logical conclusion: They should change the name to Comic-con and ban the fully vaccinated from traveling

Hmm, what does this remind me of. That right, various regimes in history where people were afraid to not follow orders.

Russia has not been running any quarantine internment camps. At the same time so-called democratic westerners have
been bitching at it for "faking" its numbers. I guess in the "unfaked" numbers west, running internment camps is considered
to be the definition of democracy.

The chauvinist west pushes shitty vaccines on its citizens, while "oppressed" and "tyrannical" Russia has Sputnik V which
does not have the death and stroke inducing clotting of AstraZeneca. Naturally, western chauvinists claim that Sputnik V
is stolen AstraZeneca technology. Wow, the imbecility is breath-taking. Those Russian untermenschen managed to remove
the worst side effects from your ubber tech. How dare they.