Russian special military operation in Ukraine #6

ucmvulcan wrote:

https://t.me/voenacher/11903

These NATO mercenary morons must have thought they were going on a safari to hunt Russians

I don't think they really understand that the Ukraine is no more 'friendly' territory than Iraq or Afghanistan were. Russia has informants all over the place. It gets all the information on the ground about who goes and gathers where and so on. And that in general, everything in this country has its price, and all the more so as the Russians close in further.

And yet these comedians pitched their HQ right in one of the main hotels of the city

In a day or two, the New York Times, CNN, or MSNBC will be reinterpreting that building as either an old folks home, orphanage, or shelter for pug puppies.[/quote]

Vet erinary clinic sounds appropriate

Krepost wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Because how else to explain such a mad decision.

Look at it from another perspective:

- This is not a Ukraine war and has little to do with Ukraine (which is just a pawn in the big chess game)
- This is some sort of a WWIII where Russia (with China at its back) wants to halt the USA's political and financial dominance over the world.
- This little Ukraine war is just the beginning of much broader things to come

P.S. I hear Iran has joined the party

Yeah I'm aware of all that

As for the inevitability of this war, I'm not convinced. All we have is the fait accompli - i.e. the operation has started, we didn't have any other choice.

But I'm not privy to all the facts and decisions, I'm sure it could have been postponed if not avoided, at least for what concerns the Ukraine. Which is already costing everyone dearly.

But never mind. Venezuela has been doing army exercises over the past weeks it looks like, while Biden has been promising increased support to Columbia.
Columbia's govt. is deeply unpopular and elections are scheduled in May. I suspect they'll fake those elections or cancel them, at which point the conflict will begin. On Venzeuala's side will be Cuba and Nicaragua actively, with Bolivia, Peru, Argentina providing economic support and diplomatic cover, and Mexico trying to take the role of the 'mediator'.
On Columbia's side will be the US and Ecuador, probably as well with the Soros puppet in Chile trying to sabotage the rest of South America with his psuedo left-wing credentials.
Brazil will probably stick to neutrality.

Broski wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:"Agree to a new JCPOA or else...." Iran basically right now.

Both Europe and the U.S caught by the balls energy wise.

Finally.... just look at how much Russia standing up for itself does for the world.

I think the confrontation would have been better done 2-3 years from now. Many of the key Russian mega-projects were due to come online within that time frame.

Do you think Putin signed off on this military operation on a whim? Or that 500+ Russian soldiers were sacrificed so far because Putin "wanted a send-off" like it's a new years celebration or something. Seriously dude you're a nasty piece of work, keep pretending like the Ukraine is led by reasonable people that Russia could work with.

I don't exclude that there were domestic political considerations at play. I do believe Putin has been planning to vacate the seat in 2024 since 2020 when the constitutional referendum proved unpopular
He may be thus encouraged to settle 'unfinished business' before then. But this is only one possible factor

When did this happen? Last I checked the gas still flows through Yamal and Russia had no plans on shutting off those taps.

Refusing to prolong the Ukrainian contract past 2024.

And Russia had all rights to do this. But one has to be pragmatic. If continuing the contract could delay war or avoid it while the Ukrainian regime dies a slow death anyway, then such a strategy would have been preferable.
Once again, just one factor. We don't know if the US and pals would have forced Russia's hand regardless.

Regular wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
And yet these comedians pitched their HQ right in one of the main hotels of the city

Let me guess - it was done because it was comfy? It's not a business trip. They will hide in the forest now, if not, another Kalibr will hit them.

The teroborona of the city (hastily regime-formed volksturm) was also based in that hotel. They were all having a grand old time there until the Kalibr hit

BTW that hotel apparently was also used as a base for the Maidanists way back in the day, 2013-2014

Is it just me, or there is really a difference considering Russian and Ukro gear presented?
Most of the Russian "troophys" are obviously left for evacuation.
Ukros are grilled.

Or maybe I watch the wrong movies ...?

Vann7 wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:Nothing of that sort will happen in Latin America.

Colombian elections will be quite interesting with Petro at the forefront. There has been significant work gone into him for this moment, carrying over from the previous efforts, which were, considering history, exemplary. At the least, from a Petro administration we could get a Juan Manual Santos like administration (an improvement geopolitically from the current regime), but potentially, something like Manuel Lopez Obrador of Mexico, a "pink tide" aligned presidency (posing as neutral). There is a reason NGO's are throwing down the gauntlet in Mexico atm. The U.S is feeling the sting and is working on it.

The most important one will be Lula's return to power in Brazil. That will clinch and be really felt. Lula will have a lot of grievances with the U.S to settle, on top of his predisposition ideologically to align with the "revisionist bloc". Obviously Lula will have to solve a lot of issues first (broken by the previous administration - economic issues being paramount), and won't shoot himself in the foot while doing it by becoming rabidly anti-American but there are ways to play this game (expect China capital inflows to trickle into Brazil, BRICS revival, and a lot of regional integration work by the second year of his term at the latest etc).

However, any inroads on one of the most toxic puppet regimes of the U.S in Latam like Colombia stings the empire (the mirage of firm control), and sends a message to the bootlicking elites elsewhere. Petro represents that. Alleviation of rivalry and instability exports by Colombia to Venezuela will be alleviated tremendously, if not outright disappear. That will be a major win for the resistance bloc to stabilize the Venezuelan situation, politically, economically etc.

Something interesting is happening in latin America , that i have never seen before in history.

And what that is ?

That in latin america , most political parties , either from left and right are  gradually becoming more and more inclined to become neutral , Neither NATO puppets , neither Russian puppets and so they take decisions more in a case by case , from practical point of view.  The only exception appears to be Colombia of this ,that wants to be part of NATO with current politicians , but no idea of the future politicians which direction they will go.    In Brazil you have a neutral government , with a little bit more towards US but that do business with Russia whenever its good for their interest which is a good thing..  that more and more nations marry no one and just support what is good for their interest in the short medium and long term.   In Peru an interesting phenomenon is happening ,is that presidents there don't last a couple of years in power ,they are removed ,from left or right. and not sure if this is some kind of strategy , but looks as it is.  Look what happened in brazil..  a pro US ,pro NATO , PRO israel ,hard core , right wing nut ,bolsonaro , turned now closer to the russian side.

Exactly the same thing happened with ARgentina , a pro US government Mauricio Macri , moved
closer to Russia in the end of his administration and now alberto the new president is pro russia more ,than pro US. Mexico is the same.  Ecuador amazingly appears to move to the neutral side too. i think the pandemic forced latin America to realize that being a puppet to the west , will literary cost their lives and liked the idea of russian vaccines.. this is a fucking obvious example of how business power , softpower can open the doors to Russia to other nations to potential alliances. this is why it was a big mistake for Putin ,to develop Russia with so much focus in pipelines and gas stations ,where more of the investment is done.. and later in distractions like sports.. but ignore the modernization of russian industries and its economy and business , that is the only thing ,that could help Russia counter the anglowest.. stop their influence in the world , without firing a single bullet.. just by  developing brand new high tech business as biopharma health industry is too.

If Russia was developed as a more competitive nation to US high tech business in those 22 years of putin in power , to directly challenge the most influential business of the west ,that everyone knows world wide , then none of this sanctions will matter for russia , because they will have achieved full independence from american or european business. and even more support Russia will had from ukraine young generations and no longer people call russia outdated or a gas station.

Well yes, it's a sovereigntist bloc that's forming in South America

Like a South American EU. They're not Russian puppets, they just want to handle their own affairs without any more US meddling.

Western Europe will be the biggest loser in in this.

Longer term a few European countries might grow some balls and realise they are being led by the US like children thinking the US will take care of their interests but clearly is not.
The US is leaving the EU in the car while it goes in to the casino and gets drunk and blows its income and the money it has borrowed from friends and family and a few loan sharks... it just needs this win and all its problems are over... one more sanction will do it and the casino will start giving you an income instead of taking your money...

The biggest winner is China.

The biggest potential winner is everyone except the US, because it is all the US that has to lose... separation from the US and the west is a good thing in the long term for Russia because the independence is worth it... it has shown it can grow and develop on its own... it can certainly partner with others and make amazing things, but the west has taken ownership of most of what they have made so far because they are putting in the money and getting the fruits of Russian brain power and ability. They might get some to continue to work with them, but others might get banned, and the treatment going forward of Russians in the west might further isolate the people and the country but that wont benefit the west at all... but I don't think they will care.

Biden will lose the election on the heels of the "Biden Depression".

He has been an awful president, Trump was attacked and criticised for everything he did and a lot of things he didn't do... Biden got a free ride with most of the media... he claimed Covid was an easy fix... just elect him and he will fix it... he didn't... Any idiot looking at the military plan for exiting Afghanistan would ask why the air power left three months before the ground forces. WTF were those ground forces doing for those three months that was so damn critical. He got an extension on the withdrawal and still screwed it up totally. But now most people will reflect and say 13 soldiers killed in an ISIS bombing is probably not such a big deal as it seemed at the time.

Certainly during withdrawals you get casualties, but the irony is that the Taliban really didn't try to punish the western forces withdrawing... the way they would have punished the Taliban if it was them withdrawing...

While the US has achieved its geopolitical objectives of pushing Russia out of the Western European economy, it has accelerated chinas rise to global leadership.

If the EU and Russia had gotten together and become rather more integrated but where Russia was not led from Washington or Brussels like the rest of the EU is then they would have been a real threat to the USs dominance of the west and even China might have been nervous, but it wasn't Americas party so they sabotaged it.

China and Russia and the other BRICSA countries have a future model of international relations where no country can ignore international law and gather other countries to do as they please where they like, where other countries are treated with respect, but the west was not interested in that, so this current situation of the west rejecting Russia is part of that... and in the near future when the EU realises it needs China and Russia to maintain its nice comfortable standard of living that comes from cheap energy, maybe the EU might take a stand against the US... in which case the US wont control the entire west any more and the EU will have its own voice for its own interests many of which it shares with Russia and China... the US doesn't want silk roads carrying goods quickly and cheaply from Asia and the EU because it does not benefit them in any way... it does benefit Russia and China and the EU though, but even if the trains and ships and aircraft don't get to EU airspace it will still be good for the countries on the silk roads because it improves their access to Asia goods and service and Russian goods and services, so even if the EU misses out I suspect that will be another revelation for them that the US pressure is not in their interests.

The west is not known to suffer very well... we don't normally put up with a lot of shit for no obvious reason.

I am not sure how Russia will do in all this, and if it can continue to get fair treatment from China indefinitely, or if that will all end in tears at some point.

Previous sanctions have made Russia more independent and made them get off their asses and do things they thought about doing, that knew they would need to do eventually but never got around to it. Like making their own jet engines for fixed wing aircraft, helicopters, and ships, or trading in currencies that are not US dollars. They eventually were forced to make changes by western sanctions that gave them little choice.

They did everything they could to integrate with the west short of be the slave the west wanted them to be.

They can say they did everything they could and were rejected so there is no looking back and asking what they could have done to make it work.

The west is a small percentage of the world population but it is the most comfortable, and that is because it is selfish and greedy and doesn't like to share or cooperate unless they get something that helps them stay ahead of the pack.

Russia can cooperate and allow those they cooperate with to grow and develop.... Russia has its own resources and talents but cooperation always leads to improvement and growth and Russia wont be afraid of other countries developing and growing with them.

The west is not happy at being rich and powerful, they want everyone else to look like Cuba and North Korea so they can gloat... if the west was a person it would be a person you don't want in your life.

Russia will do shit out of all this even if the Ukraine capitulates tommorow

Russia is not invading a country to steal its resources... it is eliminating a real threat.

That makes this necessary no matter what the outcome.

Whether it's biolabs or dirty bombs or whatever other stuff. I don't know. I do know that there must have been another way to solve all this.

The only other way would be for Zelensky to grow a spine and follow his obligations under the Minsk agreement.... or for the US or Germany or France to actually pressure him to do the same.

He was doing exactly what the west wanted him to do... because what other choice did he have?

So you think it is an accident the Azov regiment even exists, or such things are also glorified in Baltic states... it is all part of the anti Russia campaign, and bio weapons labs and nuclear weapons are also parts of this puzzle.... are you fucking stupid?

Oooh... we could have done this without bloodshed.... well tell that to the Ukrainian people they were already shelling because they didn't want to learn Ukrainian?

Blood was already being shed with impunity... the irony... the US protects Jews murdering Arabs in the Middle East and Nazis in Europe murdering their own citizens... do you blame the jews and nazis, or do you blame the enablers... the US government?

Either way Ukrainians are going to die because of this, and I would suggest to you that if this happened while you were in service you probably would have wanted to kill some nazis and be the one on the end of the rifle so you could avoid civilian casualties while you were doing it.

I would rather suspect Vlad79 probably would rather have left this world shooting nazis than suffocating as his body failed him with some disease, but I shouldn't speak for him like that.

West have to count on using stand off ranges using very expensive munitions. And very rarely came close range of AD systems and that's because they exactly how good a d difficult they are

The Ukrainians also have older model systems, the newer systems the Russians operate are designed to defend themselves from standoff weapons, and to be even more mobile and hard to deal with even with the IADS is not working, but when it is working they would be even more capable.

My guess is that as long as the Bear gives the Panda cheap gas and food and technical aid on weapons development and research that the Panda will be hand in hand with the Bear.

The west has spent 10 years robbing the Bear blind, and then after another 20 years of rejecting and teasing and poking the bear they found the teddy bear is actually a grizzly bear. They haven't been poking the Panda quite as long but the Panda is expanding world wide looking for trade partners and cooperation and stepping on western toes that liked their colonial relations with the rest of the world, but the Panda is offering partnerships and Russia will be soon too.

If the west wants to poke the Panda they might find they wake a dragon...

When you don't respect others and go into the houses of others and tell them what to do and how to live then some take it... like EU countries.... others do not.

Hi is anyone else getting a download message when refreshing the forum or moving into next page, I get a message saying Russia defence net wants to download multiple files? Odd never seen it before and I don't click download button always cancel it. But still pops up.

It is not anything I have done.

Russia should follow the US Iraq model. Build bases and a massive embassy in Kiev that will be the true seat of power. Maintain
this occupation for 20+ years to guarantee that there is no Banderite revanche. NATzO can keep on bitching but will never
have a real argument. The Russian operation must have a long term component for proper regime change.

They should never follow any US model... split it into three main areas... a western area that is lost and not worth saving, and central northern component that can be neutral and demilitarised, and the south coast and eastern region that can and likely will be independent but pro Russia.

The southern and eastern republic with open trade with Russia should prosper fairly well and can reconstruct itself mostly without extra funds coming from Russias budget, no need for Russian bases or troops, or if you do then state that they will be removed when US bases in Poland and other eastern European countries are removed, but they should be small token bases... security guarantees and regular exercises with the Russian military should allow a strong local military force that can hunt down and deal with local terror cells on their own if need be.

Looks like foreign instructors could be dead now, that were supposed to all have left, after the attack on the Yarovsky Training Grounds near Lvov

So far some Ukrainian military casualties have been admitted to, like 8 dead and over 50 wounded.



That object was attacked with no less than 8 Kalibrs

https://t.me/opersvodki/1553



More mercs coming in

https://t.me/opersvodki/1567

Bonus. Road sign in Kiev (think it's a mannequin of some description). "Death to occupiers"