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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:48 am

    I don't like it

    But then I don't like the whole war

    God damn Putin, for re-opening this whole wound. I expect him to outsmart everyone, without firing a shot. Naive of me.

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    Post  auslander Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:58 am

    'Our country right or wrong, but our country!' Stephen Decatur, ca 1816. We are in a different country but the saying holds true here, too.

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    Post  Urluber Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:02 am

    The strike against Yaroviv is big in Western news.
    You know what it means. Plenty of mercenaries wiped off.

    Failing New York Times says there might be hundreds wounded. I don't want to link to fake news sites but if they say that, you can be assured it's the minimum, probably more.  

    Great job russia



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    Post  ALAMO Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:03 am

    flamming_python wrote:I don't like it

    But then I don't like the whole war

    God damn Putin, for re-opening this whole wound. I expect him to outsmart everyone, without firing a shot. Naive of me.

    And what if you consider the alternative perspective?
    Russia does not intervene.
    Ukros do.
    Breaking the defense positions of the republics, and stage let's say a "chemical attack" using any random stock of chemicals that you have there.
    NATO forces intervene as "peacekeepers", sending a few thousand troops from Poland, Romania, Pribalts etc.
    They put a NATO foot on the ground de facto and de iure, signing a memorandum with Ukr government about "peacekeeping contingent".
    That would twist the whole situation : it would be Russia who would ignite a conflict with NATO, not the opposite.
    How do you like this scenario, bud?

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:24 am

    More on this, not bothered to post the photos of the desruction of the barracks etc

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    📷 Eight Russian missiles hit the International Center for Peacekeeping and Security in #Yavoriv, ~20km from the Polish Border #Ukraine #UkraineRussiaWar


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    That is one of the bases where NATO weapons and foreign fighters were gathered.
    Don't be confused by its fancy name.

    Hitting NATO weapons and their foreign legion fighters on Ukrainian soil is not an escalation - it was a logical move.
    And more will follow.

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    This is where American and other NATO instructors do the most training of Ukrainians. I was just there yesterday. It’s also right near the Polish border. Serious escalation on Russia’s part. twitter.com/natashabertran…

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    NATO training ground and weapons transfer station in Lvov is no more

    Day 18 of the #US #Russia war on #Ukraine soil:
    In its first direct message to the west and #NATO, Russia hit the NATO-US-Ukraine joint training centre at Yavoriv, around 25 km from borders with #Poland.

    Delivering those amounts of MANPADs into one of the largest conflicts in #Europe since World War II carries with it risks that some could fall into the wrong hands – a possibility the #US has NOT considered.

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    Post  auslander Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:26 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=midXQqNwEwU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HieT0pHD39E

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiEVmpwcD3k Women's Day at control point.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GSZ_yxQmtM

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:32 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:I don't like it

    But then I don't like the whole war

    God damn Putin, for re-opening this whole wound. I expect him to outsmart everyone, without firing a shot. Naive of me.

    And what if you consider the alternative perspective?
    Russia does not intervene.
    Ukros do.
    Breaking the defense positions of the republics, and stage let's say a "chemical attack" using any random stock of chemicals that you have there.
    NATO forces intervene as "peacekeepers", sending a few thousand troops from Poland, Romania, Pribalts etc.
    They put a NATO foot on the ground de facto and de iure, signing a memorandum with Ukr government about "peacekeeping contingent".
    That would twist the whole situation : it would be Russia who would ignite a conflict with NATO, not  the opposite.
    How do you like this scenario, bud?

    I get it

    I just think there was a way to avoid the road to war in the first place

    Keep that damn gas flowing if Russia had to. At least, it might have bought some more years.
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    Post  Regular Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:35 am

    I don't think these guys from Canada are mercs, they are Ukrainians going back. There are FOG mercs in Ukraine with Mk18 assault rifles and Batholemey symbol. Openly posting their location on social media and etc.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:39 am

    Regular wrote:I don't think these guys from Canada are mercs, they are Ukrainians going back. There are FOG mercs in Ukraine with Mk18 assault rifles and Batholemey symbol. Openly posting their location on social media and etc.

    Real bunch of idiots. They really do think it's some vacation or safari hunt, like from Hollywood movies about fighting Russians.

    Russia has worked up a whole load of experience in counter-insurgency operations throughout the whole Northern Caucasus, and will be flooding the whole zone it controls with specialists. It also has access to every sort of technology and precision weapon imaginable. While these guys don't, not in the Ukraine.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:01 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:I don't think these guys from Canada are mercs, they are Ukrainians going back. There are FOG mercs in Ukraine with Mk18 assault rifles and Batholemey symbol. Openly posting their location on social media and etc.

    Real bunch of idiots. They really do think it's some vacation or safari hunt, like from Hollywood movies about fighting Russians.

    Russia has worked up a whole load of experience in counter-insurgency operations throughout the whole Northern Caucasus, and will be flooding the whole zone it controls with specialists. It also has access to every sort of technology and precision weapon imaginable. While these guys don't, not in the Ukraine.

    For the ex NATO military it will come as a shock to have no MRAPs or similar to cruise around in, let alone no CAS on call with an Apache or C-130 gunship to the rescue.

    I note that General Winter has arrived with the temperature over most of Ukraine below zero and in the east well below zero. The field are firming up and fires to keep warm and broadcast location are no longer an option.

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    Post  Urluber Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:21 pm

    Can it be true Shocked

    Kadyrov arrived in the area of the special operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:24 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    I get it

    I just think there was a way to avoid the road to war in the first place

    Keep that damn gas flowing if Russia had to. At least, it might have bought some more years.

    I hear you.
    But if you ask me, there was something that ignited the situation.
    Putin is one of the sanest politicians in the whole history.
    He was cool as an iceberg for the last 20+ years.
    It must have been something that broke the string there, no other way.
    We won't know that for sure for years.
    It might be some indications about this f'ckin "chemical weapon" that Anglosaxons are playing for the last 20 years.
    The more I watch this, the more I get the feeling that Ukraine was going to be a rough state, that could do anything desired by the masters.
    All the things NATO could not do - they would.
    They could ignite the ethnic conflicts along with Russia, provide cannon fodder for emerging conflicts, keep the goons&assasiantin squads to perform pure terroristic attacks & operations, including political assassinations while needed.

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    Post  Regular Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:39 pm

    Urluber wrote:Can it be true  Shocked

    Kadyrov arrived in the area of the special operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine.

    https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/32641

    Too dangerous for it to be true, but you never know with him. It would be stupid for him to die
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    Post  Regular Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:43 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Real bunch of idiots. They really do think it's some vacation or safari hunt, like from Hollywood movies about fighting Russians.

    Russia has worked up a whole load of experience in counter-insurgency operations throughout the whole Northern Caucasus, and will be flooding the whole zone it controls with specialists. It also has access to every sort of technology and precision weapon imaginable. While these guys don't, not in the Ukraine.

    Yes, but I highly doubt that non-Ukrainians will be involved in insurgency if it will happen in the first place. They want to play special forces, not to be hunted like Taliban.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:47 pm

    flamming_python wrote:God damn Putin, for re-opening this whole wound. I expect him to outsmart everyone, without firing a shot. Naive of me.

    Riiiight...  he should just have sat quietly with his thumb up his arse and waited until the Ukroratz launched their long-planned offensive to eliminate the DPR/LPR and pursue a military solution (with Western support) rather than the clearly laid out diplomatic path of Minsk accords.

    How fcking naive can you be? Are you really that stupid? Orcs are not interested in talking, and the US seeks nothing less than Russias isolation, humiliation, stagnation, resignation and ultimately capitulation to US hegemony.  That sick evil bitch Madeline Albright openly stated that they wanted Russia to break up into three separate nations (European Russia, Central Siberia, Far East) so that they could "better integrate into the global economy".

    What more do you need to understand? Suspect  You display the same naivety as Gorbachev did when he dismantled Soviet power without formal guarantees, and that absurd exercise of trusting the West just because they smiled and acted friendly simply led Russia down the garden path and into a disaster that nearly ended them as an independent sovereign nation...

    Putin & Russia have tried absolutely fcking everything they could to try to avoid this Ukropiss-stain shitstorm.  Putin talked in all major international venues until he was blue in the face in an effort to get through to these people, but to no avail.  The US and its Euro-faggot sycophants simply wouldn't listen.

    Look at all the endless political attacks against Russia and her interests - do you really believe that a hegemonistic block that forces this kind of shit can somehow be reasoned with????

    US covert support of Wahabbis in Chechnya
    Bombing of Serbia 1999, theft of Kosovo and handing it over to an organised-crime cartel
    Polonium poisoning of ex-spy Litvinenko (false flag)
    Endless faked allegations of "Putins billions" or "Putins palace"
    Endless faked allegations of Putin "killing his opponents" or "silencing journalists"
    Sanctions over the faked Magnitsky affair (to restore the sanctions that were removed after repeal of Jackson-Vanik law)
    US support for Georgian attack on South Ossetia
    US/NATO destruction of Libya (after Russia co-operating in the UNSC to permit no-fly zone to "save civilians").
    Smearing of Sochi Winter Olympics (corruption, poor facilities..)
    Fake allegation of "state sponsored doping" based on lies from a corrupt criminal (G.Rodchenkov)
    Pro-nazi putsch in Maidan
    MH17 false flag
    Syria regime change attempts (incl use of Wahabbi terror gangs and false flag CW attacks)
    Skripal "poisoning" false flag
    Navalny "poisoning" false flag
    US support of Ukr far-right nationalist regime, cover-up of its crimes and political repressions.
    Support for Ukr far-right nationalist to gain nuclear weaponry capabilities  (IMHO this was the final straw...)

    When the fck do you intend to wake up?

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    Post  Urluber Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:53 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Urluber wrote:Can it be true  Shocked

    Kadyrov arrived in the area of the special operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine.

    https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/32641

    Too dangerous for it to be true, but you never know with him. It would be stupid for him to die

    According to translations Kadyrov states: Our main task is to take Kiev

    Could very well be psyops of course.
    But I wonder anyway what are the aspirations of Kadyrov. With taking so active role in the special operation.
    He's still young for the positions he holds. A bit over 40 years old. Depending on final outcome of Chechen deployment (so far it has been solid in my opinion) could he have a federal level future?

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:55 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    I get it

    I just think there was a way to avoid the road to war in the first place

    Keep that damn gas flowing if Russia had to. At least, it might have bought some more years.

    I hear you.
    But if you ask me, there was something that ignited the situation.
    Putin is one of the sanest politicians in the whole history.
    He was cool as an iceberg for the last 20+ years.
    It must have been something that broke the string there, no other way.
    We won't know that for sure for years.
    It might be some indications about this f'ckin "chemical weapon" that Anglosaxons are playing for the last 20 years.
    The more I watch this, the more I get the feeling that Ukraine was going to be a rough state, that could do anything desired by the masters.
    All the things NATO could not do - they would.
    They could ignite the ethnic conflicts along with Russia, provide cannon fodder for emerging conflicts, keep the goons&assasiantin squads to perform pure terroristic attacks & operations, including political assassinations while needed.

    I agree, there is a reason that us lessor mortals have not been told about or had emphasized for it.

    As FP says, looked at from our view why and why now?

    Why was this year different to the Ukie buildup last year? What tipped the balance?

    Why this year did Ukraine push the RED button so hard on NATO, then FFS nuclear weapons, plus a bigger Donbas build up than last year, plus ask, and get, hundreds of man operated missiles?

    Why did Russia feel the urgent need to move a large blocking NATO force into Belarus?

    Why has the US gone ballistic on sanctions roping in industrial/commercial and financial companies on top of the 'normal' Government and political packages?

    Why has the US totally maximised the propaganda war in ways and to an extent never seen before?

    Clearly there is a lot going on that worried the Russians as never before. That should worry us too.

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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:04 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Regular wrote:
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    I know this has been said before, but in all honesty, WTF are the Russian recon units doing??

    Seriously, each unit should have their own drones and be continuously monitoring the battlefield and sending almost live updates to various forward moving units.

    Why was a main road not properly checked via drones, are the drones lacking IR capabilities??
    The F is going on??

    Don't give me the usual "You don't know, so don't ask" BS.
    Where the F are the Recon units!

    This video was discussed 300 times already. Reality is... There are recon unit now. Recon by fire. I don't think tempo allows proper recon operations, look where they are, they are deep in Ukrainian territory where fog of war can't be revealed. UCAV would have solved the problem here, but it's not like Russia has thousand of them to cover all territory, especially not to patrol the roads.

    .............Are you joking, how could they not have drones surveying the area 24/7, especially on the highways.
    None of this is making any sense.
    I can only conclude incompetence on either Russian recon or the frontline units themselves.
    Either way, when this war is over, it is clear where the next phase of Russia's military reforms will be focused on.

    Can a drone look into the cellar of a building? Nope. Even if it could, you couldn´t distinguish between civilians and soldiers.
    For the highways: we are talking about thousands of kilometres of roads here. You would need 5.000+ drones to watch them all the time and still you weren´t able to detect 2 or 3 guys hiding in some building along the road or even under the cover of bushes. And no, even FLIR doesn´t help you.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:04 pm

    Maps to give us an idea of the importance of Ag in the various parts of Ukraine that might have an effect on their changing hands. Very Happy

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:10 pm

    London isn't happy! WTF did they expect?

    Numbers steadily increasing, presumably as they dig out more bodies from the rubble. Numbers of missiles also going up from 8 I note, maybe it was a Tu-95 strike as mentioned elsewhere, or even those Tu-160 photo'd at Engels.  Very Happy

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    Dangerous expansion of war in Ukraine today when Russian fighter jets, in possibly largest air attack of war so far, fired over 30 cruise missiles at a military base near the Polish border where foreign fighters are being trained. At least 9 killed, 57 wounded.

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    #BREAKING: At least 35 killed, 134 wounded in missile strike on Lviv military training centre- Lviv regional Governor

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    UPDATE: Death toll at the Yavoriv base rises to 35, with 134 wounded, reports the head of the Lviv regional military state administration Maksym Kozytskiy. I think this makes the missile attack on the training facility the most deadly single attack of the invasion so far.

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    no - that is NOT a "dangerous expansion of war" - that was a logical move after NATO DID NOT STOP shipping weapons and "international foreign legion" fighters into Ukraine - and THAT was just the beginning.
    ALL NATO depots in Western Ukraine WILL burn in the coming days.



    Anyone believe this?

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    A Ukrianian military source who works with the new foreign legion tells me no foreign fighters were killed in today’s Russian attack on Yavoriv.


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    Post  Sujoy Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:22 pm

    There goes the engines for India's Grigorivich class frigates.

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:24 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    My wife said that can't be right since Indian government would mandate it.  So you mean just youtube then.  Can't take it off the air without government say.
    RT is off cable TV, across India.
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    Post  LMFS Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:24 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    I hear you.
    But if you ask me, there was something that ignited the situation.
    Putin is one of the sanest politicians in the whole history.
    He was cool as an iceberg for the last 20+ years.
    It must have been something that broke the string there, no other way.
    We won't know that for sure for years.
    It might be some indications about this f'ckin "chemical weapon" that Anglosaxons are playing for the last 20 years.
    The more I watch this, the more I get the feeling that Ukraine was going to be a rough state, that could do anything desired by the masters.
    All the things NATO could not do - they would.
    They could ignite the ethnic conflicts along with Russia, provide cannon fodder for emerging conflicts, keep the goons&assasiantin squads to perform pure terroristic attacks & operations, including political assassinations while needed.

    FP is purposely being a dick out of ideological blinders, but the situation is crystal clear. US had the control of the escalation in Ukraine and all the means and motives to drag Russia into a conflict, that is why they organized the coup and put rabid nazis in power that are ready anytime to kill Russians, no matter the costs. If a small scale conflict in the Donbass would not provoke the Russians, then maybe a bigger one. And if not, NATO bases. And if not, biological + nuclear weapons in the country. And if Russia does not react, better even, Ukraine could attack in a couple of years and kill millions of Russians on behalf of the West. People not wanting to see this don't understand shit, sorry. The conflict IS existential, the West has no use of Russia, period.

    We were talking already end of last year about Russia and China being ready with their preparations for an active phase of the confrontation with the West and explained the balance of forces would currently benefit Russia using the card of military confrontation now as they have substantial advantages and are reasonably ready in the economic front too. Accordingly, the ultimatum to the West came and then it became clear that, in absence of any constructive answer, Russia would take the initiative and would not allow festering wounds like Ukraine to persist for long. That was the opportunity for US to shed Ukraine, put it in Russia's balance sheet and at the same time force Europe to confront Russia. They escalated the hysteria, pumped weapons supply and made the plans to attack Donbass obvious enough for Russia to intervene. A good move for them, but Russia had no other option and as a result what was unavoidable (the cleanup of Ukraine) has come and the multipolar world has been de facto born. We all would like that confrontation was not necessary but that was not realistic, considering the kind of people (ukie nazis and western psychos) that don't compromise and need to be simply eliminated. One additional and absolutely critical advantage of the current operation is that an early strike prevents the ukies from getting WMDs and building their military even more, so it allows to solve the problem with much smaller resources and losses.

    Russia has been preparing for 20 years for a confrontation like this and the time has come, it is that simple.


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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:27 pm

    Ground probably hard enough to use the fields fo escape routes, not have to use roads.

    Seems the RuAF have set up a killing zone.

    Still not sure why they were not eliminated when they were concentrated close to the demarcation lines.

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