Russian special military operation in Ukraine #6

As a result of a clash near Kiev, soldiers of the Russian special forces unit eliminated two senior officers of the Main Intelligence Directorate (SBU) of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry.

Colonel Akhmedov Oleg
Colonel Sokol Dmitry

With them, intelligence officers had American C4 explosives, fuses, a map of the area with marked life support facilities for settlements.


https://t.me/intelslava/22354?single

The ninth regiment of the People's Militia of the DPR is cleaning up Mariupol from the neo-Nazis of Azov

7:42 long video


https://t.me/intelslava/22366

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1503427770940076033/photo/1


Getting damn close to Donetsk...

Attacking Optical Tracking systems is very tough

One thing though, usually 9sh38 and 9sh319 are cued by search radar, so it should pop up on RWR of Su34

I've seen pictures of the RWR display on images, and it seems that the system should be able to pick up the location of the search radar

So one tactic VKS could use , is to stay out of range of the vehicle which is located on RWR at least 5 miles , and try to waste its missile load with approaches

That tactic is very hard however as most of these missiles are smokeless and don't produce a strong smoke plume with the exception of OSA so identifying it on the ground is still tough

Only thing pilot should do is be mindful of the RWR and where the source is,  and keep away from that search radar

if they do spot it, it's still tough to engage while being shot at

Optical tracking vehicles are some of the hardest targets to suppress as they give little to no warning of launch except for the presence of search radar and its passive anyway

So developing tactics against them is hard enough, not to mention if it's hiding among buildings in city, or trees in areas around target sites makes it extremely hard to locate by eye

Looking for one with a drone is like looking for a needle in a haystack

So it's really just triggering them during attack runs and trying to locate as fast as possible when that search radar does ping the RWR and destroy if can, if not just avoid the zone

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/32762

Precision strikes on VSU

https://t.me/breakingmash/32694

Shturmovik working on VSU

base

Artist rendition of Hostomel operation

the lack of attack drones or loitering munition , is what allow the ukranian military to deploy artillery and fire on russian positions. atack drones can stay in the air 48 hours !!!! patrolling the zone of the ukies positions and can be targetted by manpads.. when flying high. and kamikazi loitering munition like the one israel have ,can fly too low and too fast to be taken down by a man pad of artillery.

in fact even spy drones that are very small can do the job , and used to guide artillery strikes.
but russia is russia , they so used to fight the outdated soviet ways for modern wars, so is hard for them to modernize their tactics.

franco wrote:https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1503427770940076033/photo/1


Getting damn close to Donetsk...

The VSU forces there are so numerous and entrenched that it has distinct WW1 vibes to it.

It's going to get bloodier. I doubt anyone really wants this on either side, but it's that rock and a hard place thing all over. The Ukrainians can't retreat as a force, as they risk getting picked off by the thousands(1) while on the run with all their machinery, not to mention all the less mobile assets they'll be forced to leave behind (no way they can make all of it inoperable, there's too much of it, loads will go into LDNR hands)...

The LDNR will keep pushing as it's the only option on the table, and the Russians will keep pushing for the same reason.

I read yesterday that Zelensky ordered one of the few remaining large units in the far west of the country, I think it was some Carpathian divisions, to go east and try to support them. If they make it all the way through, together with general resupplies, they will hold some semblance of a line for several weeks more.

But I expect immense bloodshed and eventually a rapid collapse of the entire front, with frantic retreats, some mingled in with civilians, and possibly lots of desertions too.

(1) Russian strategic aviation, which so far hasn't been utilized apart from some airborne cruise missile launches from inside Russian airspace has been amassed, as per several OSINT sources. My guess is that they're preparing to actually carpet bomb any "kettles" formed, or any large retreating columns.

First Deputy Minister of Information of the DPR Daniil Bezsonov @neoficialniybezsonov

What is known at the moment?

Today, at approximately 11: 30, a Tochka-U tactical missile system launched a missile strike on the center of Donetsk. The missile was fired from the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the area of the city of Krasnoarmeysk (new name — Pokrovsk), which is located approximately 55 km from Donetsk in a straight line. This missile system belongs to the 19th separate missile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which has a permanent deployment point in the city of Khmelnitsky.

The missile was equipped with a cluster warhead, which contains 50 fragmentation warheads weighing 7.45 kg, each of which contains 316 fragments. The mass of the head part alone is 482 kg, the total number of fragments is 15.8 thousand. Detonation of the central charge and opening of the warhead is initiated by a radio sensor at an altitude of 2250 m. The affected area is from 3.5 to 7 hectares. Such a warhead is intended only for the destruction of manpower and unarmored equipment located in open terrain.

That is, if the goal was to defeat the Government House, then a rocket would be used not with a cluster warhead, but, for example, with a high-explosive fragmentation missile, which could cause maximum damage to the building. Therefore, the target was precisely peaceful people, ordinary passers-by, who at that time were a large number on the street. Universitetskaya Street and Pushkin Boulevard were most affected. These are exactly the streets of the center of Donetsk, where there are always a lot of people and public places.

I have repeatedly said that over the past eight years, the military and political leadership of Ukraine has been using American scorched-earth tactics. This tactic involves inflicting maximum damage to civilian infrastructure in order to achieve the maximum number of civilian deaths and injuries. Thus, the Americans in all the conflicts in which they took part, and now the Ukrainians all these years in the Donbass, used this tactic in order to distract the front-line soldiers from thinking about war and effectively resisting the enemy.. According to their plan, fighting men should think and worry only about their families in the rear, who are dying from shelling, then these men will not be able to be effective warriors. This may work for some people in other countries, but it doesn't work for Russians. The Russians are only getting angrier and more determined at the front.

After today's terrorist attack — and I won't call it anything else — there are no more lines between the Nazi bastards from the punitive battalions and the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There are no more facets.

At the moment, 20 dead and 28 injured local residents have been confirmed, including injured children. However, the figure may increase, as shrapnel also penetrated apartments on the streets indicated above. Some of the wounded were taken out of their apartments, but there may be apartments that have not yet been examined.

There is no longer a safe rear and dangerous frontline zone in Donetsk. Now Donetsk is a continuous frontline zone, where death can overtake on any piece of land. It is very good that the residents of Donetsk and other settlements, mostly children, were evacuated in advance. And everyone else needs to be careful. It's not for me to talk about it — every resident here has long understood what's what for eight years.

MuskRat must of forgot VVP is a grandmaster Judoka (probably also Sambo practitioner)with decades of experience. Seeing how he's probably still butthurt he lost Bolivia (and it's Lithium mines), someone should tell MuskRat to put down the cope-caine, he sounds suicidal!


Our resident SwedishFish won't like this, he should stick to getting bent, spreading his cheeks to keep refugees warm during cold Swedish winters:

Pestern aka West-cistern goobers still probably believe the WMD's in Iraq LIE:

Vann7 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/32762

Precision strikes on VSU

https://t.me/breakingmash/32694

Shturmovik working on VSU

base

Artist rendition of Hostomel operation

the lack of attack drones or loitering munition , is what allow the ukranian military to deploy artillery and fire on russian positions.  atack drones can stay in the air 48 hours !!!! patrolling the zone of the ukies positions and can be targetted by manpads.. when flying high. and kamikazi loitering munition like the one israel have ,can fly too low and too fast to be taken down by a man pad of artillery.

in fact even spy drones that are very small can do the job , and used to guide artillery strikes.
but russia is russia , they so used to fight the outdated soviet ways for modern wars, so is hard for them to modernize their tactics.

Ukrainian military no longer employs organzied large scale MLRS or Artillery attacks in the north or south, as they are mostly suppressed and fight only as guerrillas

The only artillery that is working is in donetsk

And that is precisely where there is a high density of air defenses which are rendered ineffective by the destruction of the command and control systems of VSU IADS, but which remain perfectly capable to launch ambushes on low flying aircraft that are focusing on striking at enemy mechanized and infantry forces

In this space we are talking about patrolling an area of about 100km2 which is the approximate size of the Donetsk Cauldron

Drones do not have the capability to accurately monitor this  huge area without being exposed to BUK fire

For that reason, aerial operations over the donetsk cauldron must be carefully planned because the main objective is not to go hunting for isolated VSHORADS

But to organize strikes on the combat capability of the VSU

So assets are focused on that mission

To make a big noise of the loss of 2 su34 and 4 ka52 under the conditions of Ukrainian AD, is simply making a mountain out of a molehill

No stealth aircraft were used and the VSU IADS was offline by week 1

JohninMK wrote:More information is starting to pop out on the big strike. Whilst only 8 missiles are claimed to have hit the training camp, others claim that up to 30 were launched, so where did they go?

If you look in the general area (few miles around), you see multiple clusters of ammunition depots, vehicle yards, firing ranges etc.

Seems reasonable to me to assume that 8 missiles targeted the offices and living quarters of the central compound, while the other 22 hit the depots and other facilities around it.

Haven't seen any aftermath from those though, but there were several videos of merc guys filming explosions in the dark away from where they were actually at, at night (presumably at night you'd be near the living quarters).

So a logical assumption would be that the cruise missiles destroyed the depots first, and that's what the first pitch black videos from the living quarters show, and then missiles also hit the latter a bit later, and that's what the morning twilight videos show.

Then, any aftermath videos of the depot strikes just didn't happen because the Ukrainians forbade anyone from going there, due to the obvious danger and of course, bad PR on top of that.

Just my assumptions.

Ukronian vermin caught red-handed in another lie, who would've guessed?!?!


If delusional was a person lol!

mavaff wrote:The aftermath in Donetsk. So bad.

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How is possible that the mighty russian military can't disable the artillery positions of the ukrainian
army after the military claiming air superiority ?  what is going on here?  


1) is the ukraine army invisible that they can't be seen by airforce?

2)aren't the ukraine army positions fixed.. why can they just don't bomb their positions and wipe them?

3) why russian army don't deploy 24 hours drones  , either attack drones or cheap spy drones to hit the ukrainians when they come to the surface from their hiding places?

4) can't the russian airforce just use incendiary bombs and burn to hell the entire cauldron where the
ukies hidding?

This is ridiculouos ,beyond incompetence that 2 weeks after russia came to defend donetsk ,that still russian army  can't achieve air superiority over donetsk .. their planes shot down with man pads..    or artillery forces.. is the most mediocre performance ever i have seen in history of russia... a nation with the largest artillery forces in the world ,can stop the ukraine army from firing with their artillery?

if this is the way Russia army perform versus a mediocre third world nation.. imagine how much worse it will be versus nato.. this can't be justified ,if you have planes.. why not bomb ukranian army positions to hell ?  drop poisonous gas over their positions or  anything?  what the hell is russian military doing that can't stop an static army in trenches in a flat terrain.     beyond mediocre army performance.  Russia general staff should just resign with their incompetences.. the soviet union forced the most powerful army in the world to retreat when they had millions of nazis in the front line ,yet this idiots in the russian army can't handle 125,000 soldiers , can't bomb their big artillery , can't even fly over their positions what a joke. no wonder the west is laughing at russia extremely weak performance vs an army without airforce and without modern tanks. just light armor , soviet artillery and manpads. unbelievable.

Vann you continuously are wrong on so many points its laughable,

Russia is fighting outnumbered in the Donbass 1:3 ratio

It knows the Ukrainian positions, but is not focused on the amateurish opinion of random passerby

VKS and VS RF are focusing on cutting off the VSU and gaining the initiative on the battle front where the enemy has amassed forces for several months in a plan to storm the LDNR with a massive offensive

They were pre-empted and fixed by a force 1/3rd their size

It will take its time, but the results are the same

In fact you do not have an example of NATO fighting a force of nearly 400,000 men which are supported by NATO e3 sentries, NATO command posts, and E8 Jstars , and Globalhawks of NATO states

So your amateurish ranting, is a joke only to anyone who understands the nature of the conflict

Even with those NATO supporting assets, and 1:3 disadvantage in manpower

VSRF has inflicted a 20:1 Kill/death ratio on the whole VSU

For Russia maybe 1000 KIA at most

And for VSU around 20,000 KIA

So stop your nonsensical rants, you are not General Staff or MOD, you're just observer on internet

Russia doesn't want the Syrian scenario or a new Grosny. It would be politically prohibitive. Ukraine is a huge country with equally large conventional forces.... it wouldn't be overnight that this operation would be completed... if Russian intelligence or anyone else thought that, they were wrong....

Tochka-U - shoot and scoot. It's actually a success that it got intercepted. It's not easy to hunt all the launchers, it's not plain desert. It's not a job for drones, but more for intelligence guys.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Drones do not have the capability to accurately monitor this  huge area without being exposed to BUK fire

For that reason, aerial operations over the donetsk cauldron must be carefully planned because the main objective is not to go hunting for isolated VSHORADS

bullshit dude..

you have no fucking knowledge of military tactics..
observe how azerbaijan without airforce just using drones managed to wipe the entire armor and air defenses of armenian soldiers fighting in nagorno.

you can send cheap small kamikazi drones ,with decoys attacked , to attract fire from air defenses .. like the ones the terrorist in syria had.. to find their air defenses positions and artillery positions.. then later , the most expensive drones fly at high altitude and destroy them.  this is simple tactics..
you keep throwing imbecile false targets at the enemy , those pantsirs needs to be reloaded after 12 shots.. and you can send cheap drones with many decoys to overwhelm their missiles..  

ukraine have no pantsirs only buks.. and buks can only fire 4 missiles.  so is even easier to satturate them.  All that russia need is fucking tactics , is not with care that you destroy those air defenses.
is with satturation attacks..  don't defend idiot tactics , the russian army is only embarrasing themselves , 2 weeks fighting donetsk with air superiority , a military very vulnerable from air attacks ,and still they continue holding their positions , what kind of bullshit is that?

this is amazingly stupid , amateurish the way the russian military is fighting.

- almost no drones support.
- no airforce taking advantage of ukraine fixed positions in donetsk.
- no incendiary ammo to poison them.
- almost no kamikazi drones ,
-no electronic warfare to jam those stinger missile attacks.
-no using decoys , false targets ,to force ukraine use all their missiles on fake targets..

even azerbaijan was very successful in destroying buks , tors and even s-300s using this tactics above. why the hell the russian army can do the same thing that azerbaijan military did?  

how long does it takes for a nation with a thousands of planes to bomb to hell 100km line..
ridiculous dude.. ridiculous , their tactics are totally wrong. just burn the entire line ,with incendiary bombs and they will become burned alive in their trenches.  Even throwing poisonous grenades in their positions will force them to surrender.  there is no excuse to have 2 weeks failing.

if nato had to wipe the donetsk cauldron, they just send a dozen of b-52 bombers flying very high at night , using incendiary bombs .and the entire front collapse in just an a few hours. they will need clean air to breath ,and the toxic smoke will kill many of them ,and send the others running in panic ,from their hiding places. there is no fucking excuse that the ukraine army can hold positions in 2 weeks over a fixed fortified line, you simply burn their fortifications with toxic gasses and they will need to leave and that's when artillery wipe the survivors , and then you send drones to finish their air defenses.. what russia army is doing doesn't work. is ridiculous that with air superiority and satellite view of the battle field ,they can smash their positions with 1500 kg bombs.

Azerbaijan war in NGK is incomparable to Operation Z

Anyone with a brain sees that, some propaganda victories of TB2 and Harop against a militia is not comparable to VSU and its 400,000 plus sized army with thousands of anti aircraft vehicles and sites

VKS already eliminated the bulk of long range AD so I don't know why you mention s300, those did not work since day 1

Azerbaijan could not capture NGK, while Russian offensive controls 40% of Ukrainian territory

You compare apples to oranges and look like an idiot doing it

Arkanghelsk wrote:You compare apples to oranges and look like an idiot doing it.

Been had RipVannWinkle7 on ignore for the past 7-8 years for a good reason, and never looked back!

Arkanghelsk wrote:Azerbaijan war in NGK is incomparable to Operation Z

Anyone with a brain sees that, some propaganda victories of TB2 and Harop against a militia is not comparable to VSU and its 400,000 plus sized army with thousands of anti aircraft vehicles and sites

VKS already eliminated the bulk of long range AD so I don't know why you mention s300, those did not work since day 1

Azerbaijan could not capture NGK, while Russian offensive controls 40% of Ukrainian territory

You compare apples to oranges and look like an idiot doing it

You are quite wrong on this one. S-300 has been working and their overall result with AD is quite good when you see which army they are facing. They captured a S-300 today btw. And their S-300 lack spare parts and aren't really mobile.

If there is one thing that is surprising it is the survivability of those soviet AD system and how good they use them.

It is a proof that Russia should upgrade all it small system like Osa, Tunguska and Igla-10 and keep as many as they can in service.

@ Vann7

".....almost no drones support.
- no airforce taking advantage of ukraine fixed positions in donetsk.
- no incendiary ammo to poison them.
- almost no kamikazi drones ,
-no electronic warfare to jam those stinger missile attacks.
-no using decoys , false targets ,to force ukraine use all their missiles on fake targets........"


There are drones . Shown many times in surveyor role .Their tactics does not rely on mass drone attacks . Some troops are in civilian areas , not in the open . So carpet bombing can not be done . Their new stingers , may be hardened against jamming . Area jamming may take a lot of power and equipment . They are using decoys .

It took two weeks to reduce population of Kiev from 4 million to 2 million . Is anyone counting the number leaving on a daily basis ? From different towns ? And what happens , when the refugee flow stops ? Even when the humanity corridors are open ? What are we to conclude then ? Time to close the gates ? The same thinking about UA troops in cauldron . How many surrendering out of the total ? What happens , when the flow stops ? Time to close the gates ? Anyone keeping records ?

Isos wrote:

You are quite wrong on this one. S-300 has been working and their overall result with AD is quite good when you see which army they are facing. They captured a S-300 today btw. And their S-300 lack spare parts and aren't really mobile.

If there is one thing that is surprising it is the survivability of those soviet AD system and how good they use them.

It is a proof that Russia should upgrade all it small system like Osa, Tunguska and Igla-10 and keep as many as they can in service.

Isos,  the 2 su34 that were downed were not downed using S300

As far as I know there has not been confirmed kill by VSU S300

The only S series kill was the s400 that downed SU27.

Maybe there were some friendly fire incidents but none yet recorded against VKS

Most of the downing, have been SACLOS guided missiles in the ambush that give no warning to RWR

The only warning is presence of the search radar

So yes the optical guidance in soviet SAM systems is quite effective

But so far radar guidance for VSU doesn't seem to be operating that well

VKS has destroyed over 100 radar installations of Ukraine according to MOD

owais.usmani wrote:The Kalibr cruise missiles Russia has used in this conflict, have they all been fired from Black Sea ships & submarines or does Russia also operate land launch platforms for the Kalibr missiles?

Apart from the regular sea-launched Kalibrs, they have used Kh-55 and Kh-101 air launched cruise missiles (that's basically all the Tu-95 and -160 do these days, they have rotary launchers filling up the bomb bays and in 95's case also underwing pylons for 8 more, they're huge cruise missile trucks, not "bombers" anymore).

All of these were used in Syria as well: Kalibrs from subs and corvettes/frigates in the Mediterranean, Kalibrs from corvettes (Buyan-M) in the Caspian, and Kh-55/101 from Tu-95/160 bombers at stand-off ranges

The Iskander-K, essentially a ground-launched Kalibr is in service and has possibly been used. We know for a fact that cruise missiles have been launched towards Ukraine from Belarusian territory, and since nobody has mentioned big and conspicuous Tupolev strategic bombers flying there, it is a reasonable guess that Iskander-K has been used. But just a guess.