Russian special military operation in Ukraine #6

Werewolf wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

No the situation on the ground is not what matters, the Ukraine at this point is an extension of NATO and the West, and they will not surrender under any circumstances and neither will their population. As their weapons are more the cameras and the narrative, which can't be countered

The only way the Ukraine can lose is if the West or at least EU collapses; but they're in full war propaganda mode and giving the Ukraine every type of aid and Russia every type of sanction short of military action.

What Russia needs to do now, our leadership, is realize they seriously fucked up and chill on the ultimatums and conditions, then move back to where they have local support, which is the LNR and DNR. Because staying in the rest of the Ukraine will not achieve anything politically, it will just keep adding to more bloodshed.
Then our leadership should resign subjected to charges, with a new interim government put in place.

What is wrong with you FP? You acknowledge the facts at hand, that we RUSSIANS are attacked and the West is using whatever to destroy us and want to break up Russia which will result definetely in Lebensraum-Erweiterung (depopulation) which your fucking ass is on the line as well, but then you seem to have some shizophrenia falling defeat mode like gollum fighting his other ego Smeagol.

I always wondered what is this self-harming defeatism with you? I thought you were quite intelligent but you seem to have some serious psychological issues or ideological more to say.

Are you Russian? Are you mixed? Are you even in Russia?

I really can not make up my mind on you, but one thing is for sure I would not like people like you around when shit hits the fan. I highly doubt that you would be able to protect your family, no offense.

I already stated why i support the Russian operation.

But with the shit i have seen recently on VK and Telegram of what the Ukro's are doing to people.
Hanging people alive
Carving with knives into their body's
torture/execution rooms.
Extreme maiming,
Body descecration.
Using civilians including kids as human shields
Tearing fammily's appart to force their men to the front as cannon fodder
Firing ballistic missiles at civilian area's with cluster munitions.
Mass graves
Forcing Russians they get their hands on to eat Glass.
Hanging dead russian soldiers from bridges and on traffic sings.
Etc

If that is not absolutely fucked up and barbaric. i do not know what is.

These Nazi's do not deserve an process or trial, Only execution on the spot.
And if there are still ukranians that support this. Than tough break.
They absolutely deserve the consequences for enabling this for over 8 years.

Every russian soldier lost is one that is lost forever.
However, like their grandfather's before them.
They give their lives to exterminate the same Nazi fascist scum their grandparents fought against.
The cost grows larger day by day. But this operation must be seen trough.
No compromise, only total surrender from Kiev.

If this tree of Fascism is not pulled out by its roots. it will continue to fester and grow back.

Am i Russian?.
no i live in western Europe.
Born and raised here.

Why am i bothered then about this?.
Because i have seen my share of human suffering on the hands of NATO. And NATO just does not care.
"they are not our people". "just Afghans/Iraqi's"."collateral damage"

And if you and your comrades try to inform the media of wrongdoings/warcrimes they just rat you out to your nation's government.
When you come back home and you critisize NATO, they just put you away as crazy or an "putin-friend"
All your service record and Medals just become instantly meaningless in western society.

Not even journalists are safe that DO actually something with it.
Look at Assange for example.

All NATO cares is keeping its war industry that runs on suffering and blood going, facilitating new crisises and dismantling any country that wants to be independent.
By any means neccesary.

mr_hd wrote:
I fully agree actually with flamming_python. Russian attack on Ukraine is tremendous, strategic mistake of epic proportions and Russian leadership should resign and actually stand for their bad decisions...

Bad decisions? Like for once showing and reacting to the dozens of red lines that Russia and Putin himself has drawn over the past two decades and always just words and made Russia appear weak and just encouraged the US to go further and further. A bully understands only one language it is a bloody nose!

The decision could not be carried out later! Even FP has said himself that it would happen but the issue with it is: If it happened later the Ukro-fascists would be either able to use a pathogen which will kill Russians an themselves on top of it as there is not an ethnic difference between us, we are all RUSSIANS. The other issue with acting LATER is that Putin is the only guy who protects Russia and our interests, the next guy might be a fucking Navalny or of this kind of Sorts. Do you believe there is no line of potential Western stooges like Yeltsin waiting to be placed under Washington's hand?

mr_hd wrote:
At present no one in Ukraine wants Russians or their influence, that is over especially now when so much blood is spilled. And problem is once blood is spilled, it is very difficult to stop it and put beast back in the cage.
And if anyone here believes that Russian forces are in full control of the situation on the ground in Ukraine - you are delusional.

It does not matter what the present is. As a citizen of a fully occupied and defeated nation who was once ought to be wiped out by UK and US bombers, who openly said and acted upon to "Destroy Germany and Germans once and for all" ~ Churchill that genociding fucker. Today Germany and Germans are cocksuckers of the West and BELIEVE they are souvereign and act on their own interests. Why? They have had decades gazzled US cum, softented by western products with HURRAY pro american propaganda and since childhood anti german propaganda. Defeatism is what I see everyday around me, beaten dogs. This all was achieved by 100% controlling the flow of information and who is allowed to tell what lie. Transatlantic Bridge, Bilderberger's, all Media controlled by the West and those who are not get banned.

Russia should not act like that, but this is an example that what today is inside peoples heads is not permanent.

Plans how to reverse Zeitgeist of the Ukraine:

1. Take control of Ukraine military wise (already Operation Z DemilitariZation)
2. Kill all Orc-Fascists (DenaZification) and trail the rest infront of a public world wide casted Nürnberger tribunal
3. Kick out all NGO's, western consulats and all foundations that funnel money for Anti-Russian/Pro-Nazi/Western purposes/plans
4. Trail Poroshenko (jew), Zelenskij (jew) and all other jews who are in the regime like NATO did with Saddam.
5. Establish pro-Russians in high administrative positions of big cities.
6. Keep the Nazi hunt within the Ukraine for the next 20 years like OMON does in Chechnya.
7. Provide a market with the Ukrainian cities that are pro Russian, which will enchance chance of ohers becoming pro Russian and give investment to those locations that will become firstly part of Russia.
8. Reverse the Nazification that happens today in schools, Universities with the pro-Nazi literature, slogans and poisonous ideology of our children
9. Support the civilians with everything necessary to rebuild what was lost, provide financial relieve and a vast project for investment and building up eastern parts of the Ukraine industry, which creates work and refills peoples pockets.

This 30 years of the Ukrainian lobotomization will be reversed in much shorter time than you believe.

mr_hd wrote:
We forget that Ukraine is actually huge European country and pretty big nation. They took this very personal, in their mind this is not Russia against Ukraine, this is Putin against Ukrainian nation.

It is not and Putin will not be around forever, will the Fascism and Anti-Russian sentiment and ideology go away once Putin is retired? You and I know the answer to this.

mr_hd wrote:
So this means forget about any chance of any surrender, no hard power from Russia will help, you can not subdue someone that is resisting you in their minds - and Ukranians reject everything Russian now.

You have forgotten one little thing or never learned. People in general do not give a flying **** if they live in a Monarchy, Communistic, socialistic, capitalistic, utopialistic or Wakanda for that matter. The only thing people care is they have good lives and their sentiment will always be tied to comfort, safety, some expendature and luxury to feel alive and prosperous. This are the things that even fucking little shits like Louxembourg can achieve for its citizens. Russia is the richest and most powerful nation on this planet it could be the closest to Wakanda if it wanted. People always subdue to these things over time you just need to cut off the source of fascism, ukrainism and pro-western influences which do only and exclusively steer up colored revolutions or right out wars.

mr_hd wrote:
And also people here seems forget that Ukrainians are Slavic as Russian.

It is not what people have forgotten but what you have never learned. They are not ukrainian, they are Russians who were brainwashed to believe they have their very own ethnicity. I would recommend you to study our history and history of the Ukraine. It is a fabrication and genetically there is no difference between Russians, Ukrainians or Belorussians. We are one and I will take great offense from outsiders or brainwashed russians to tell me that we are different!

mr_hd wrote:We are seeing huge catastrophe right now.

What I see myself, through my own bias of course, a turning point in global politics. The thing that is felt within every one that is not listening to only one side or pure propaganda. That one barely here anyone can deny. What this will bring for the future only Putin and sorts of grandmasters might know. What I know is, I will act in best knowledge of my own to make certain precautions to survive for what might come and make sure to survive in case a Navalny like figure is installed if shit hits the fan in Russia.

mr_hd wrote:
It must be possible to express criticism for this big gamble - and if that is not possible Russia is already doomed and lost no matter of "win".

I have absolutely no issue with hearing criticism towards this big gamble or operation or whatever might see it as, but you forget one thing just like FP, in politics there are never MISTAKES, even if there are, they will be going the path they have set their foot on and walk through hell before admitting mistakes. This is true for all countries. This is not our beer, but I am as a general realist with pessimistic inclinations very optimistic at this point - towards the grand plan. This is of course a biased view of mine based on the limited amount of information I have seen. If this is indeed a big mistake like you or FP claim to be - I would be the first to admit, but the attempt and time Operation Z is taking place is a necessity with no other option.

The US, EU and the Ukraine did not want to listen to diplomacy!

War is diplomacy through other means after all!

Regular wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Seen a few media articles that UK might pay people in UK to host Ukrainians for 6 months. I see a few issues with this. You don't know who your letting into your home, a rapist, murdered, violent individuals, mentally ill, or worse a neo Nazi. And I bet none of them get PCR tests so the rise of COVID cases will rise. I can see it already old Betty the pensioner brings in a Ukrainian and gets covid and dies. Suddenly COVID doesn't matter.

It makes no sense during covid, but I think there is little fear about neo nazis, not so sure about mentally ill. Females and kids left, no one let the men leave. They will be the ones getting abused and raped and this is happening already in Germany.

https://jungefreiheit.de/kultur/gesellschaft/2022/ukrainerin-vergewaltigt/

That is exactly what I have heard from Kievans, who speak all only fluent Russian, without the slightest of Ukro-dialect, that all men are not allowed to leave while women and children are all bailing out and send to Poland or Germany. Not a single Ukrainian here has ever spoken in ukrainian. However, some are very brainwashed it appears as they claim to report that Russians are shooting on civilians while poor ukrainian forces try to fight them off.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Werewolf you are absolutely correct

Russia is implementing the concept of global security same as US does with huge international bodies representing it at the supranational level

If Russia cannot operate at that level, it will die

I agree with you to 1000%. The reactive nature of Russia was a position of weakness but apparently necessary, however it attracted more anti-russian behaviour since we took every blow without fighting back. Now that the fucking EU have sanctioned themselves out of live support that Russia is giving us, they slowly realizing that in near future a revolution made by likely if they keep up their extra chromosome. The biggest weakness I see Russia was and still is underselling its resources, expertise, products and talented inteligentsia. We do not depend on the West, it is the other way around.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
As a Russian appendage

Those who do not believe Russia is capable of it, need only to examine Russian Empire, Soviet Union, and see that Russia is a land gathering supranational entity

One needs to study Russia's history, despite being called aggressor and imperialistic Russia was fighting mostly wars out of necessity and being attacked more often than not. There is this saying, when Russia gets attacked it grows. The only thing that ever happened to Russia was the golden horde who split up us in junks. The result was Russia became an empire and never bowed done.

It will be the same this time, if not there will be no world without Russia!


And agreed on the rest. Time will tell and this is certainly within the lifespan of most of us on this forum.

franco wrote:JohninMK will not be impressed with us

Why, its been pretty good today apart from the post on EU purchases of energy.

d_taddei2 wrote:A bit of interesting Information. And it might explain one of the reasons Lavrov visit to Turkey. Ukraine was given more TB2 by Turkey it seems due to the number of them taken down. It seems that it's very possible Turkey won't be supplying anymore.

There also looks to be a pair of TuAF A-400M transports trapped at a Kiev airport. I'm sure that Mr Lavrov might have hinted that he might be able to stop them getting a visit from Mr Kalibre.

d_taddei2 wrote:A short interesting article on the Iskander M and it's decoy's

Russia Deploys a Mystery Munition in Ukraine
Iskander-M short-range ballistic missiles are releasing a previously unknown decoy designed to evade air-defense systems, an American official said.

The use of the decoys may point to some level of carelessness or urgency by Russian military leadership, Mr. Lewis said, given that Russia knows they will inevitably be collected and studied by Western intelligence services so that NATO air defenses can be programmed to defeat the Iskander’s countermeasures.

I doubt the Russians didn't consider that possibility. Just maybe these are the Mk1 version so they are sending Western Intel on a wild goose chase as the Mk2 is in production.

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There is now pretty well established supply line trough Kherson, Melitopol and Berdyansk from Crimea.



So far we have seen footage of train supplies, land and now it is possible trough Berdyansk via the sea.This convoy will smash someone's day