Russian special military operation in Ukraine #6

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According to statements (the information has not been verified, I'm talking about it directly), a former SBU officer testifies that the Ukrainian authorities are involved in illegal organ trafficking with Western countries - civilians from Donbass, including children, were used for these purposes.

UPD.
The main number of donors are wounded Ukrainian soldiers, many were not asked for consent, they are missing, their families were not compensated. The main customer is Mikhail Saakashvili and his wife, it was their business. We are talking about hundreds of victims, among whom dozens are civilians, mostly women and children.

Vann7 wrote:

Belisarius wrote:

Vann7 wrote:,but instead stealth f-35
that will not be seen as 150km at all , but more like 50km with luck.

The S-400 can be equipped with L-band radars such as Gamma-DE, designed to detect stealth targets, it has an estimated range against targets with RCS 0.1 m² up to 240/175 km

http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vvs/rls_gamma-de.html

The estimated average frontal RCS for the F-35 is up to 0.16m2 in the L band

https://mobile.twitter.com/Flankerchan/status/1456991340256841732/photo/3

And you say 50km...

lband radars can't be used to provide fire solution to missiles ,is only to have a more or less idea of where the enemy plane could be . it means that still will need to wait until the plane is very close to lock in the target..

so l-band radars is not a magical solution , aside that nato can hide their planes real positions
using electronic warfare and false targets , exactly how israel does in syria. that manage to bypass
all syrian air defenses at will. hit the target intended and then leave like nothing . they make it look easy , to defeat russian air defenses.

found a video ,that shows more or less how nato will fight russia s-400s..

nato can deceive russian radars , by thinking that false targets are planes.
to overwhelm the air defenses..  they can deceive russian radars to make it look a hundred of planes and missiles are flying towards them. russian air defenses will need to go to the drawing board ,
if it have problems in ukraine , it will be much more harder in a nato country , next to impossible for russia military to fight a major nato power or israel.

Only the old versions of the Sky radar are unable to control missile guidance or over-the-horizon radars like Podsolnukh-E, while Opponent-GE , Gamma-DE are designed to detect targets with an EPR of about 0.1 m 2 at a distance of 240 km with the required accuracy for launch missiles. New versions of the Nebo-M system (55ZH6M)also allow the use of three integrated radars at once in the meter range ( Nebo-SVU modification), decimeter ( Opponent-G modification ) and centimeter Gamma-S1 . By combining and superimposing even very weak reflected signals on each other, the computer of the system makes it possible to obtain a complex signature of stealth objects, effectively filtering out natural and artificial interference .

Additionally, the perimeter of the protected S-400 zone can be reinforced with the Barrier-E complex,  which creates a "virtual barrier" from the ground to a height of 3-7 km and a length of up to 500 km and from sections of 50 km. Barrier-E works on the principle of bistatic location "through the light" and, fixing the passage of objects between the masts with the emitter and the remote passive receiver, gives out sectors for shelling targets with an accuracy of 1 degree. With radar "through the light", the effective scattering surface of targets increases by 100-1000 times and does not depend on the presence of a radar-absorbing stealth coating on them, since the system responds to the "darkening" of the source by the aircraft, and not to the reflection of radio waves from it. The effectiveness of radar "in the light" is so great that non-metallic objects invisible to conventional radars - balloons, etc. are determined by partial radio absorption. Additionally, Barrier-E allows you to detect low-flying targets from 30 meters.

In addition, the coordinates of conventional and stealth targets can be obtained from the radiation of their own radars or aircraft communication systems using the Vega / Orion and Avtobaza-M passive electronic intelligence systems . Electronic warfare modules included on aircraft to interfere with conventional S-400 radars also make it possible to calculate the coordinates of radiation sources. These systems do not emit signals to detect air targets, and Vega uses the method of triangular calculation of the coordinates of radio emission sources by the difference in signal level for three absolutely passive study receivers , and Avtobaza-M uses a more accurate method of obtaining a bearing to a radio emission source due to a rotating antenna . Thus, electronic intelligence systems for the S-400 cannot be detected and destroyed by anti-radar missiles . Therefore, tactically, stealth aircraft cannot attack according to their own radar data, as they will be detected and destroyed, and without the ability to destroy the air defense system with retaliatory strikes. Therefore, the stealth aircraft link is forced to receive target illumination from the accompanying AWACS aircraft . At the same time, the AWACS aircraft can be detected by radiation and hit at a distance of 400 km by a specialized 40N6E missile .

Barrier-E, Vega, Avtobaza-M and some versions of Nebo cannot accurately point a missile on their own, but they can determine the target’s azimuth with an accuracy of about 1 degree to turn on the guidance radar as 92N6E, Opponent-GE , Gamma-DE on the target, and the Vega complex provides the guidance radar with data on the electronic warfare devices turned on by the enemy for frequency and power detuning, as well as interference filtering . Until recently, the S-400 did not have the means to attack identified Barrier-E, Vega, Avtobaza-M and its surveillance radar targets using optical systems, since this is a component of the short-range air defense system. With the release of a unified missile with short and medium range air defense systems 9M100 the situation has changed, since this missile is guided not according to the data of the reflection of the radio beam from the target, but with the help of radio commands and an inertial guidance system , and at a distance of about 10 km it produces an independent target acquisition using an infrared seeker, similar to MANPADS . NATO experts are most afraid of the S-400 missile of this particular design, since it can be directed by radar or electronic intelligence to the area where the stealth aircraft is approximately located, and then it can be destroyed by hiding the powerful infrared radiation of the engines in fact impossible, and the missile will lock onto the target in the optical range.
The C-400 has integration with electronic warfare ( EW ) equipment designed primarily to destroy navigation and guidance systems for missiles and devices designed to attack an air defense system. As a rule, the required electronic warfare system receives a command to turn on when the S-400 has determined the type of threat using its radars.

The "Shipovnik-AERO" complex has gained a reputation as a " drone hacker ", as it is able to repel even a swarm of small drones (drone swarm) attacking the air defense system. In practice, this EW complex works as a transmitter of fake GPS signals and can simulate the operation of satellites, giving the GPS receiver an impression of completely different coordinates, so this EW complex is able not only to drown out GPS navigation, but actually control the flight of devices using GPS, offering them fake coordinates ( GPS spoofing ). The complex often turns on near the Kremlinas a protective system and leads to the often observed effect of " teleportation " of GPS navigators, showing completely different coordinates. Therefore, cheap devices, such as a "swarm of drones", built in fact on household GPS-navigators, can turn into a weapon against the one who launched them. Expensive military GPS navigators are more resistant to this EW complex, at their frequencies "Shipovnik-AERO" jams the signals of navigation satellites without the function of forging coordinates.

Systems of KB "Radar" are designed to protect the radar from anti-radar missiles . When missile launches are detected by the radar, the radar itself is turned off, and a false transmitter located near the radar with the same radiation characteristics as the main radar is turned on, which leads to the capture of the seeker of the “false target” anti- radar missile. The complex also imitates the operating equipment of air defense systems in the infrared range, therefore it allows you to effectively knock missiles off course with infrared seekers.

Some electronic warfare systems that work in integration with the S-400 are generally equivalent in principle to the electronic warfare systems of attacking aircraft. If attacking aircraft try to interfere with air defense system radars using electronic warfare containers similar to Sorption-S , then the S-400, using its own radars and the Vega / Orion integrated electronic intelligence complex , also determines the operation of aircraft radars and interferes with them using the Krasukha-4 complex. However, stationary EW systems have a significant advantage over aircraft EW overhead containers due to the availability of much more powerful power sources and much larger jamming antennas, as well as assisting electronic intelligence systems , so conventional aircraft usually lose a duel with ground-based EW facilities. In fact, the fight " Krasukha-4 " is carried out with AWACS aircraft.

Another type of Russian electronic warfare from the KRET concern , integrated with the S-400, is aimed at blocking the communication systems of NATO aircraft. In the case of stealth aircraft forced to operate with their radars turned off, their communication with an external AWACS aircraft is critical. Without the functioning of the communication system of the US Air Force Air Force Wing as Link-16, the organization of air combat is also called into question, since this is a critical component of control.

The effectiveness of suppressing radars on US aircraft by Russian EW systems is considered by the Pentagon to be a very serious problem, however, recent tests conducted by the Pentagon showed insufficient effectiveness of the systems of protection against Russian EW, and the system manufacturer BAE Systems offered to fix these problems for $ 15 million . The identified problems of protection against electronic warfare affected even the most advanced stealth aircraft Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II The vulnerability is manifested in the fact that Russian electronic warfare and radar systems are constantly intelligently rebuilding their on-air algorithms, while American electronic warfare systems can only work on the basis of known systems. To solve this problem, the Pentagon is hoping for adaptive tuning technology for Russian electronic warfare.

mr_hd wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

No the situation on the ground is not what matters, the Ukraine at this point is an extension of NATO and the West, and they will not surrender under any circumstances and neither will their population. As their weapons are more the cameras and the narrative, which can't be countered

The only way the Ukraine can lose is if the West or at least EU collapses; but they're in full war propaganda mode and giving the Ukraine every type of aid and Russia every type of sanction short of military action.

What Russia needs to do now, our leadership, is realize they seriously fucked up and chill on the ultimatums and conditions, then move back to where they have local support, which is the LNR and DNR. Because staying in the rest of the Ukraine will not achieve anything politically, it will just keep adding to more bloodshed.
Then our leadership should resign subjected to charges, with a new interim government put in place.

What is wrong with you FP? You acknowledge the facts at hand, that we RUSSIANS are attacked and the West is using whatever to destroy us and want to break up Russia which will result definetely in Lebensraum-Erweiterung (depopulation) which your fucking ass is on the line as well, but then you seem to have some shizophrenia falling defeat mode like gollum fighting his other ego Smeagol.

I always wondered what is this self-harming defeatism with you? I thought you were quite intelligent but you seem to have some serious psychological issues or ideological more to say.

Are you Russian? Are you mixed? Are you even in Russia?

I really can not make up my mind on you, but one thing is for sure I would not like people like you around when shit hits the fan. I highly doubt that you would be able to protect your family, no offense.

I fully agree actually with flamming_python. Russian attack on Ukraine is tremendous, strategic mistake of epic proportions and Russian leadership should resign and actually stand for their bad decisions...

At present no one in Ukraine wants Russians or their influence, that is over especially now when so much blood is spilled. And problem is once blood is spilled, it is very difficult to stop it and put beast back in the cage.
And if anyone here believes that Russian forces are in full control of the situation on the ground in Ukraine - you are delusional.

We forget that Ukraine is actually huge European country and pretty big nation. They took this very personal, in their mind this is not Russia against Ukraine, this is Putin against Ukrainian nation. So this means forget about any chance of any surrender, no hard power from Russia will help, you can not subdue someone that is resisting you in their minds - and Ukranians reject everything Russian now.
And also people here seems forget that Ukrainians are Slavic as Russian. Those are people with big warm heart and soul, but once they have to fight for their country those hearts would turn to stone if needed but they will not bow down. Actually it is not only Ukraine but Russia too is one that is cornered and without good options for smooth exit. We are seeing huge catastrophe right now.

It must be possible to express criticism for this big gamble - and if that is not possible Russia is already doomed and lost no matter of "win".

Exactly

And what can we do about the Russian leadership now. We're all hostages to the situation..

Putin gambled, Putin lost, there is nothing left to do in the Ukraine but spill more blood. Only he cannot admit it and step back, or even just negotiate a compromise - because he knows it would be his doom. He has the FSO guarding him, he made the national security council back his decision. What the hell.

And what sort of moron do you have to be to gamble like that. Any idiot could have told him not to step foot in the Ukraine. Or if so, to limit the military operation to clearly defined, realistic goals. Not to threaten splitting the Ukraine's territories or any such chauvinistic shit in speeches.

EkErilaz wrote:

mr_hd wrote:
I fully agree actually with flamming_python. Russian attack on Ukraine is tremendous, strategic mistake of epic proportions and Russian leadership should resign and actually stand for their bad decisions...

At present no one in Ukraine wants Russians or their influence, that is over especially now when so much blood is spilled. And problem is once blood is spilled, it is very difficult to stop it and put beast back in the cage.
And if anyone here believes that Russian forces are in full control of the situation on the ground in Ukraine - you are delusional.

We forget that Ukraine is actually huge European country and pretty big nation. They took this very personal, in their mind this is not Russia against Ukraine, this is Putin against Ukrainian nation. So this means forget about any chance of any surrender, no hard power from Russia will help, you can not subdue someone that is resisting you in their minds - and Ukranians reject everything Russian now.
And also people here seems forget that Ukrainians are Slavic as Russian. Those are people with big warm heart and soul, but once they have to fight for their country those hearts would turn to stone if needed but they will not bow down. Actually it is not only Ukraine but Russia too is one that is cornered and without good options for smooth exit. We are seeing huge catastrophe right now.

It must be possible to express criticism for this big gamble - and if that is not possible Russia is already doomed and lost no matter of "win".

F**K that, do you just play stupid or are you really this stupid?
I bet you that Russians in Donbass took thing VERY personal to.. And so apparently did Russia, and Putin... Russia did not start this conflict, but im SO F**KING HAPPY that they are ending it.
There are consequences now, but, oh well ukrainians in power are to STUPID to understand.
Not one tear will be spilled on anyone that ever said one word in support of that FILTHY country. There was no saving that carcas, and I bet Russian Hard power looks very different from the perspective of one who has lost his income, place to live and maybe even his life. Just so that some nazi fucks could play out their fetish fantasy of killing "untermench".
The people in Ukraine was absolutely aware of what was happening, and they know why this is happening. They might not like it, they most likely even hate Russia for it, but deep down they know that they have themselves to blame.
And russia do not care what anyone thinks anymore, they tried that, and they tried talking, but did anyone listen.. noo..  The new rules are, touch one hair on one of my cubs and your country will become a pile of rocks.. Finally!!

So what's the end game here, with your whole rant and you taking everything personally?

When will peace be established? How many ordinary Ukrainians not guilty of anything are going to suffer?

No-one needs such 'revenge'. If you're going to launch an operation, so define what you're trying to achieve and if its even achievable. Else you're going to end up with exactly what the Ukraine is shaping up to be.