Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30

limb wrote:A russian S-300 or S-400 launcher was destroyed.

https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1583929636500537345

How the **** do ukrainians locate them and manage to film them with shitty drones?  Why cant russians make lots of wooden decoys liken the ukrainians?

What NATzO weapon could have been used on the target? Assuming its real and not Fake. Anyways Russia needs to continue to impose excruciating pain on the Ukro Nazis by blowing up all the remaining power stations in the entire Pukrain

mnztr wrote:I disagree with him, killing lots of civilians will only make the post war situation more difficult for Russia.

It's an uncharacteristic statement for Kadyrov, is there a better source for that quote? If not then maybe it's connected somehow to Shoigu making the accusation over dirty bombs.

Turkey mainly acts as integrator for the drones, as most of the core components are made in the west... So sales to Russia would not be possible.

Ukraines capacity to provide the extra components is likely over... I seem to remember the owner of the factory being anti Russian when suggestions of switching suppliers from Ukraine to Russia were mentioned anyway.

The countries that buy them are mostly western countries buying them for proxy forces or illegal use against their perceived enemies.

Getting Russian components and serving the Russians would kill that market, but I think it was western sanctions against Turkey (from Canada for optics and engines) that forced them to look to Ukraine in the first place.

I agree that this sort of drone would be rather more successful being used by the Russians simply because Orc air defence is patchy and broken into bits, while strong Russian air defence would render it a training target... and an easy one at that.

I'm gonna say this

If Ukraine is preparing a dirty bomb to use it, and Russia has proof of it as they are getting worked up about, thry need to show it. And as well, strike very hard with Khinzals in all the areas where they speculate or know where the bomb is being made.

And state "we did it to prevent a major disaster".

I would go further and say that Kiev does not do anything without US permission so any dirty bomb event and the targets will be Brussels and US military positions in Europe.

Would be nice to get a sample of the intel I suppose they have. They're being very, very adamant about this.

There is a counter intel game you play where you give different parts or your organisation and different agents different details for each story, so if the enemy finds out your secrets you can quickly work out where they got the story from because of the details they know... for such reasons I doubt Russia wants to give too much information out... unless they could bug people who wont cooperate with them and find their details and then frame them for the leak and let Kiev deal with them...

Spy stuff is nasty.

On the other hand, blaming the opponent for using any kind of forbidden weapon is just one of the points of war propaganda classics, so we can't exclude the possibility that it is what it is.

Kiev is not winning on the battlefield so little propaganda victories is all they have and to deflect their lack of success on the battlefield a few escalation propaganda victories is all they have.

Oh, f*ck the UN

Tell everyone both diplomatically and in media what's happening and that if ukrops do detonate dirty bomb Lvov will get nuked with standard 2MT warhead

And then when ukrops do detonate dirty bomb they should just nuke Lvov with 2MT warhead as promised

If anyone downwind has issues after that they can take it up with Kiev, it's none of Russia's business

Agree about the UN and sometimes the obvious solutions are the best.

The west thinks Putin and Russia are weak because no one will use nukes, and their news media and governments reinforce that propaganda... they don't realise Russia didn't invade for fun, they recognised a threat to their country and acted... this isn't the US thinking the price of oil will go up so they invaded, this is acting out of need and not just for fun and to keep profits for the richest higher.

Today 30 members of the American Congress sought, suggested that Bidin open a channel of direct negotiation with Putin. A few days ago, Obama asked Biden to limit the conflict so that it does not spread. Not everyone is foolish.

Yeah, but even the people demanding the west talks with Russia insists Russia withdraw and hand back their new regions... some of them including the Crimea, so even the ones wanting talk are a waste of time because that is never going to happen.

Russians dont have gps guided or EFP artillery rounds because Potbelly dinosaur generals think akatsiyas and msta Bs firing dumb rounds are enough.

The Russians don't have GPS guided artillery rounds because GPS is American, and they also have vastly more effective laser guided shells that can be used against moving targets... and are actually cheaper than American satellite guided rounds.

I have a new theory. Maybe Russia came across some intelligence that is saying that Ukraine is in the process of getting legit nuclear weapons from the UK. Maybe it's not so much about a dirty bomb but about Ukraine suddenly claiming to be a nuclear state in the near future. And all that this would entail.

The US and Israel have attacked lots of countries with the claimed goal of preventing them becoming nuclear armed powers... not sure Kiev wants that attention...

Arkanghelsk wrote:Group of Democrats call for direct US-Russia talks

While the party has been unanimous in arming Kiev, a small caucus now wants President Biden to pursue negotiations

Some 30 Democratic representatives in Washington have urged President Joe Biden to pursue diplomatic means of ending the conflict in Ukraine, including “direct talks with Russia.” However, the Democratic Party leadership is still set on arming Kiev for the long haul.

In a letter to the White House on Monday, Congressional Progressive Caucus chair Pramila Jayapal (Washington) cited the “destruction” of Ukraine, the threat of nuclear war, and the economic turmoil visited upon Europe as reasons to pursue a negotiated settlement.

While the ultimate decision on when to return to the negotiating table remains Ukraine’s, Jayapal added, the fact that the US has poured tens of billions of dollars into keeping Kiev afloat “creates a responsibility for the United States to seriously explore all possible avenues, including direct engagement with Russia, to reduce harm and support Ukraine in achieving a peaceful settlement.”

The letter concluded by again urging Biden to open “direct talks with Russia,” without suggesting what kind of compromises the lawmakers think Ukraine should make for peace.


So it begins

I'm all for negotiations, but I have a hard time believing that Biden will not insist on a peace settlement bent on preserving the regime in Kiev and its militarization. Which will simply make a resumption of the war at some later stage inevitable.

In actual fact there is no real alternative to Zelensky but Zaluzhny; such is the extent of American influence in the Ukraine at present.

So Russia will in any case have to deal with one or the other. But in that case it's better to deal directly with them, and wait for them to come around to that necessity themselves. Biden's involving himself in any Russian-Ukrainian negotiations as Boris Johnson's involvement before him would not be conducive to any agreement.
Moscow would at the minimum insist on as effectively neutral a Ukraine as Honduras is, and no foreign bases or military build-up.

mnztr wrote:I disagree with him, killing lots of civilians will only make the post war situation more difficult for Russia.

Russia kept avoiding killing civilians in loads of wars and it always made post war situation more difficult anyway

Time to finally try something different

Arkanghelsk wrote:The darkness in Kiev is shocking

They have de electrified the country

Darkness and lack of electric interference also makes it easier to track hostiles

Hole wrote:
There were demonstrations in the western parts of 404, even in Lviv, where relatives demanded answers from the authorities. According to the comitee of soldiers mothers (or so, a organisation paid by the west, not Russia) there are currently 320.000 missing!

Oh no bro, you are ovestreching. Never heard the 320k number.
The confirmed - whatever it means - number of MIA is 17 000 now, but there are some rumors that the total number is 32 000, as the Kievan regime denies the MIA status ... if not funded well. Kind of lack of common sense, yet ...
Still, if we consider that the bulk part of them is simply dead and fertilizing the soil, or buried with numbers only somewhere in LDNR, that adds up to the "200k" number either. This number is getting more and more probable.

Just for the record. Both the Pepe Escobar and Gonzalo Lira are just talking heads, lacking any clue and knowledge when it comes to military matters. I wouldn't put a piece of crap at any of the theories they air. Remember that both are crowdfunded, so the more conspiracy the better for the cash flow.

BTW, not sure if posted.



More geraniums are better than just geraniums, right?

flamming_python wrote:
I'm all for negotiations, but I have a hard time believing that Biden will not insist on a peace settlement bent on preserving the regime in Kiev and its militarization. Which will simply make a resumption of the war at some later stage inevitable.
In actual fact there is no real alternative to Zelensky but Zaluzhny; such is the extent of American influence in the Ukraine at present.
So Russia will in any case have to deal with one or the other. But in that case it's better to deal directly with them, and wait for them to come around to that necessity themselves. Biden's involving himself in any Russian-Ukrainian negotiations as Boris Johnson's involvement before him would not be conducive to any agreement.
Moscow would at the minimum insist on as effectively neutral a Ukraine as Honduras is, and no foreign bases or military build-up.

We should start with the conclusion, that this whole war and mess is a part of the private entity of the Biden family that started more than a decade ago.
Mr Biden was acting as self proclaimed king of the Ukrs long before the nazi coup orchestrated by the Obama administration, where he was occupying a vice-president post, I will remind you.
The whole coup was - as much as I have observed that mess - a way to humiliate Russia for Syrian events, especially the "Assad chemical weapon" crap freshly produced. Russia and China outplayed the whole warmonger narrative with a single punch, humiliating the US in public and presenting them where they can stick the "red lines". That was the moment when decisions has been sealed to pay back with Ukro coup.