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They have de electrified the country
Darkness and lack of electric interference also makes it easier to track hostiles
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
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mnztr wrote " Has anyone seen any estimates on how many troops it would take to close the Polish border? Can they make an airborne attack and support it with air power, setting up a fire base that can close the border? The border is only 535 KM long. All they need to do is take a series of small towns on the choke points and supply them by air or rail depending on how it works out. Forget major cities, small ones that are on choke points. Thats what you want. " A technical solution may exist that allows the interception of material across borders , without the need to use large number of troops , or face losses . We need a real - time surveillance from space that detects small details on the ground . All that is needed then , is use cheap drones loitering or missiles to take them out . Dirt Roads and mountain passes can be protected like this . But main Roads and Rail , need troops on the ground , to inspect every vehicle , therefore a garrison is needed near borders . This is doing things in a polite way , costing money and lives . The impolite but cheaper way is annihilation of the West of Ukraine . No Roads or Rail or population left , in any fighting condition .
The other way is to destroy all Bridges on Dnieper instead . Far easier to patrol the River and stop any crossings . This stops a land Army crossing . Any missile strike against East , then retaliated in kind . The decision makers better make decision sooner than later . If they are ready to go Nuclear , then no point keeping Bridges or plan expansion of conventional operations in West .
The other way is to destroy all Bridges on Dnieper instead . Far easier to patrol the River and stop any crossings . This stops a land Army crossing . Any missile strike against East , then retaliated in kind . The decision makers better make decision sooner than later . If they are ready to go Nuclear , then no point keeping Bridges or plan expansion of conventional operations in West .
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
Stealthflanker Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:09 am
Backman wrote:
Godspeed Grandpa.
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PapaDragon wrote:mnztr wrote:I disagree with him, killing lots of civilians will only make the post war situation more difficult for Russia.
Russia kept avoiding killing civilians in loads of wars and it always made post war situation more difficult anyway
Time to finally try something different
I don't think they hesitated in Chechnya and it did not help at all. If there is a critical military target then pull the trigger, if maybe drop some leaflets to warn them, then pull the trigger
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nomadski wrote: A technical solution may exist that allows the interception of material across borders , without the need to use large number of troops , or face losses . We need a real - time surveillance from space that detects small details on the ground . All that is needed then , is use cheap drones loitering or missiles to take them out . Dirt Roads and mountain passes can be protected like this . But main Roads and Rail , need troops on the ground , to inspect every vehicle , therefore a garrison is needed near borders . This is doing things in a polite way , costing money and lives . The impolite but cheaper way is annihilation of the West of Ukraine . No Roads or Rail or population left , in any fighting condition .
The other way is to destroy all Bridges on Dnieper instead . Far easier to patrol the River and stop any crossings . This stops a land Army crossing . Any missile strike against East , then retaliated in kind . The decision makers better make decision sooner than later . If they are ready to go Nuclear , then no point keeping Bridges or plan expansion of conventional operations in West .
Why would they blow bridges on the Dniper that is the Russian logistics route from east to west?
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Because there may be no advantage in going West with conventional Army . Population hostile , an insurgency going on , no resources worth the trouble , and NATO sending another proxy into the fight in Europe or central Asia , necessitating conventional responses that do not exist . The net result is that we become exhausted and over - extended fighting conventional wars against Devil's minions . The question of survival of Russia , and you let them know , high radiation awaits their Gonads ! Better decide now , before Nukes fly for real .
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ALAMO wrote:Another day in a row, Russian Internet is flooded with pics like this :
Wut? The Russians are growing Ukies now, like potatos? I know that Novorossiyan soil is fertile, but I never imagined.... What do they use as fertiliser? Gallons of despair, tinged with some reality?
Amazing what Russian science can accomplish these days! Slava Rossiya!!
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ludovicense wrote:
Looking at this, it amazes me what kind of General commands these offensives across Ukraine, because judging by the images, the tactics and formations look more like a suicide squad than a regular trained army.
Truth be told, the Uki offensive thru Kharkov in Aug/Sep was probably little different that what we are seeing in Kherson now, but this time they are trying to advance into a determned Russian defense, rather than an expanse from which Russians were withdrawing by design. In Kharkov, Russia bled the attackers, but had chosen to cede the territory. In Kherson, Russia has drawn a line in the sand and proclaimed that no orc shall tread here.
Kherson = the Golden Woods of Lothlorien. Orcish scum from Mirkwoood & Dol Guldur are not welcome....
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What do they use as fertiliser? Gallons of despair, tinged with some reality?
Almost right... the ones who refuse to surrender... a special mix provided by Monsanto and other American companies called Soylant Green.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
Walther von Oldenburg Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:12 am
What in your opinion would be the best way to use the mobilized 300k troops? An assault on Kiev or something else?
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Kasparov is a disgusting 5th columnist traitor, even worse than Navalny IMHO. He's become even more embittered against Russia and her people since his attempts at gaining democratic legitimacy collapsed in a ugly heap when the Russian public overwhelmingly refused to vote for an Armenian Jew born in Azerbaijan (what a mix...) who openly hates them....thegopnik wrote:just some banter about the russian ukraine war with musk and some chess player. https://worldchess.com/news/all/elon-musk-calls-garry-kasparov-a-douche-and-an-idiot-all-because/
Kasparov, former World Chess Champion criticized the head of Tesla in an interview with CNBC, condemning Musk’s peaceful settlement of the situation around Ukraine (where Crimea is part of Russia, repeat referendums in the occupied territories are required). “o why are people sitting in the comfort of their Silicon Valley mansions telling Ukraine how to run their own business?” – Kasparov said.
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The only usage for those people will be as canon fodders and stabilization of already very tired and worn troops that are over stretched for months now. For Russian troops winter can not come too early, they still have to catch up. Ukraine just yesterday liberated few villages in Donetsk and Luhansk regions - they seems have enough forces to rotate them and even push Russians on two totally different sides of the front line.Walther von Oldenburg wrote:What in your opinion would be the best way to use the mobilized 300k troops? An assault on Kiev or something else?
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A fighter with the call sign "Cosmos" is seen in the Donbass.
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Scorpius wrote:
A fighter with the call sign "Cosmos" is seen in the Donbass.
With that shape face that guy could easily be English. Not a Ukrainian shape.
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don't tell me you didn't recognize Dmitry Rogozin.JohninMK wrote:Scorpius wrote:
A fighter with the call sign "Cosmos" is seen in the Donbass.
With that shape face that guy could easily be English. Not a Ukrainian shape.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
Podlodka77 Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:13 am
mnztr wrote:I disagree with him, killing lots of civilians will only make the post war situation more difficult for Russia.
Any act of passive aggression must be and will certainly be eliminated.
In February and March, the Russians allowed civilians to stand in groups and stop convoys with Russian equipment and thus even capture some military equipment. There was no Russian order to shoot and that's why it happened. I don't think that in the future, even when these 300 thousand mobilized people come to Ukraine, there will be killing of civilians, but I am convinced that such things will not happen again. Will the Russians kill a certain number of provocateurs so that others would not dare to repeat the same in the future - be sure that they will.
It is not at all necessary to kill thousands or tens of thousands of civilians, but anyone who tries to stop the Russian army should be killed. The very act of standing in front of the Russian column is passive aggression. If such "civilians" appear again, they should be eliminated and then it will be immediately announced that there is no more screwing around and the problem is solved.
When you kill a couple of those who are ringleaders, then you solve all the problems.
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Quick reminder that Russia already killed thousands of "civilians" due to Ukrainian mobilisation, while many have fled the country or have had a change of heart regarding open opposition. Statistically there Will be less civilians to take into consideration, including hostile ones.
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Today is a day to doom. Its been confirmed that wagner lost the champagne and asphalt factories in artemovsk, an area which they fought for for 3 months, making progress measured in a few meters per day. Now they lost that in 3 days.
Either the Ukrainians are lying(unlikely, Z maps showed thr artemovsk industrial area under Russian control until it was quietly edited 5 days ago.) or wagner is utterly incapable in defending a supposedly nigh invulnerable fortress area which they claimed was extremely difficult to take.
In any case, regardless if it was previously taken or never taken before wagner progress in the Artemovsk industrial zone is 0% atm.
https://t.me/ghostnewsx/1692?single
Either the Ukrainians are lying(unlikely, Z maps showed thr artemovsk industrial area under Russian control until it was quietly edited 5 days ago.) or wagner is utterly incapable in defending a supposedly nigh invulnerable fortress area which they claimed was extremely difficult to take.
In any case, regardless if it was previously taken or never taken before wagner progress in the Artemovsk industrial zone is 0% atm.
https://t.me/ghostnewsx/1692?single
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Scorpius wrote:
A fighter with the call sign "Cosmos" is seen in the Donbass.
Not patriotic enough. He's not carrying an AK.
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Potbelly dinosaur generals
Read this shit before on Twitter. "We need younger Generals because the current ones don´t know how to use computers".
Todays Generals started their service back in the 80´s, turning Captains in the 90´s and so on. Does really somebody think that a officer in any army
around the world could manage 30 years of working in the military without using computers? Really? Some of the guys in the Russian General Staff could
build a computer from some garbage while others could write the programs for it.
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Prigozhin “sarcastically stated in an interview that he is constructing the ‘Wagner Line’ in an effort to make Russian Armed Forces that ‘hide behind Wagner’s backs’ feel safe.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
d_taddei2 Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:10 am
mnztr wrote:Has anyone seen any estimates on how many troops it would take to close the Polish border? Can they make an airborne attack and support it with air power, setting up a fire base that can close the border? The border is only 535 KM long. All they need to do is take a series of small towns on the choke points and supply them by air or rail depending on how it works out. Forget major cities, small ones that are on choke points. Thats what you want.
535km is a long border to man and in an area where the civilians are very hostile and you would have to deal with sabotage groups/partisan militia. A possible advance towards Kiev maybe but not entering the city. As for Moldovan border let's not forget large part of the border is held by Transnistria and to the south Gagauzia the former there would be zero route for weapons or anything at all. The latter in the south may not be able to stop anything but being pro Russian could easily sabotage routes, and report on movements or any overnight storage of equipment in the area to Russia to hit and it's a fairly small area of border.
Hitting bridges, rail networks, electricity plants in the west might not indefinitely stop supply but it will certainly delay it by quite sometime and where total destruction of bridges would certainly mean alternative routes through small roads as you can't rebuild a bridge with weeks. I personally think once Russia starts steam rolling through Kherson towards Niko and Odessa the rest of Ukraine will start to fold. Zapo seems totally stalemated with heavy defense on both sides. Donbass won't be a walk in the park. Kharkov is a large area with neo Nazis at the helm. Although saying that I think once Kherson offensive starts and Ukraine starts to funnel troops it's way, another offensive in Kharkov would be a good idea, Ukraine wouldn't be able to support both.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
ucmvulcan Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:02 pm
Or the town is not an end but a means to an end and Ukes are going to get seriously fucked uplimb wrote:Today is a day to doom. Its been confirmed that wagner lost the champagne and asphalt factories in artemovsk, an area which they fought for for 3 months, making progress measured in a few meters per day. Now they lost that in 3 days.
Either the Ukrainians are lying(unlikely, Z maps showed thr artemovsk industrial area under Russian control until it was quietly edited 5 days ago.) or wagner is utterly incapable in defending a supposedly nigh invulnerable fortress area which they claimed was extremely difficult to take.
In any case, regardless if it was previously taken or never taken before wagner progress in the Artemovsk industrial zone is 0% atm.
https://t.me/ghostnewsx/1692?single
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
ucmvulcan Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:10 pm
limb wrote:Today is a day to doom. Its been confirmed that wagner lost the champagne and asphalt factories in artemovsk, an area which they fought for for 3 months, making progress measured in a few meters per day. Now they lost that in 3 days.
Either the Ukrainians are lying(unlikely, Z maps showed thr artemovsk industrial area under Russian control until it was quietly edited 5 days ago.) or wagner is utterly incapable in defending a supposedly nigh invulnerable fortress area which they claimed was extremely difficult to take.
In any case, regardless if it was previously taken or never taken before wagner progress in the Artemovsk industrial zone is 0% atm.
https://t.me/ghostnewsx/1692?single
Always, always, always check a Ukrainian claim.
Never ever take their word for it
https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1584659225233743872?t=p5vnjJT8Dq5KFHBPMIgQ0A&s=19
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1584696638362513408?t=7F3SpDSlzSqh3hhtkaUAVw&s=19
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
Arkanghelsk Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:59 pm
Macron at Vatican: US Needs to Sit Down at Negotiating Table to Push Forward Ukraine Peace Process
International
Russia's Special Operation in Ukraine
On February 24, Russia launched a special military operation in Ukraine, aiming to liberate the Donbass region where the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk had been living under regular attacks from Kiev's forces.
Macron at Vatican: US Needs to Sit Down at Negotiating Table to Push Forward Ukraine Peace Process
The French president traveled to Vatican City on Monday to meet Pope Francis, with the ongoing security crisis in Ukraine the focal point of discussions. According to French media, the president asked the pope to personally reach out to Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden to help resolve the conflict.
French President Emmanuel Macron has urged Washington to start negotiations to stop the Ukrainian crisis.
"We need the United States to sit down at the negotiating table to advance the peace process in Ukraine," Macron said, speaking to reporters after his visit to the Vatican.
Pointing to the relationship of trust between Pope Francis and Biden, who is a Catholic, Macron suggested that Pope Francis "can influence him so that the United States resumes its involvement in resolving the crises in Haiti and Ukraine."
The president also called on the pope to call President Putin and Russian Orthodox Church patriarch Kirill, as well as Biden, "to help bring peace to Ukraine."
It seems many voices in the west, powerful ones are beginning to sue for peace - the pope, Europe, and even democrats are all suing for peace
It seems Russia is winning the war then
I would give it consideration after the winter offensive
International
Russia's Special Operation in Ukraine
On February 24, Russia launched a special military operation in Ukraine, aiming to liberate the Donbass region where the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk had been living under regular attacks from Kiev's forces.
Macron at Vatican: US Needs to Sit Down at Negotiating Table to Push Forward Ukraine Peace Process
The French president traveled to Vatican City on Monday to meet Pope Francis, with the ongoing security crisis in Ukraine the focal point of discussions. According to French media, the president asked the pope to personally reach out to Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden to help resolve the conflict.
French President Emmanuel Macron has urged Washington to start negotiations to stop the Ukrainian crisis.
"We need the United States to sit down at the negotiating table to advance the peace process in Ukraine," Macron said, speaking to reporters after his visit to the Vatican.
Pointing to the relationship of trust between Pope Francis and Biden, who is a Catholic, Macron suggested that Pope Francis "can influence him so that the United States resumes its involvement in resolving the crises in Haiti and Ukraine."
The president also called on the pope to call President Putin and Russian Orthodox Church patriarch Kirill, as well as Biden, "to help bring peace to Ukraine."
It seems many voices in the west, powerful ones are beginning to sue for peace - the pope, Europe, and even democrats are all suing for peace
It seems Russia is winning the war then
I would give it consideration after the winter offensive