Until Russia finds a way to take this war right inside continental USA in one form or the other, the war in Ukraine will not come to an end.
The west wants this to be another Afghanistan for Russia, but this is more like another WWII for Ukraine... including with nazis... in real terms Russia is actually doing amazingly well considering the situation, while the only reason Kiev has not collapsed is the weapons and especially money coming from the west, but economic times are hard in the west and throwing lots and lots of money to the Ukraine with no visible success or progress every few months is going to be very hard to justify politically and so support is going to die faster in the west than anywhere else.
Just recently a US official was talking publicly about the Ukraine getting all these freebies and about how they are going to have to organise payment for these weapons in an ongoing way for the future (assuming of course that Kiev has a future as a pro west entity).
https://www.rt.com/news/572237-pentagon-ukraine-pay-weapons/
A top Pentagon official has insisted that Kiev eventually needs to foot the bill for some shipments
So not all of the free billions from the west can go into western and Orc pockets... some of it has to be shared back with the western MIC as well... presumably so they can fund the ramping up of production of weapons and ammo.
I guess that with a good-condition gun and better-stored ammo, they can hit a bullseye with that. Guns were known for very good accuracy for decad
Hope they are using the old ammo up first, with HE rounds a four shot burst to bracket the target can often be more effective against an enemy position than four direct hits at the point of aim.
Shooting at air targets a good spread of shots through the target box is better than absolute precision because once fired the shells have a fixed trajectory so if the first misses the remaining shots are likely to miss too, whereas a less accurate gun spreads the shells around the point of aim... the point of aim is where the target should be if it continues at the same speed and same direction after you fire and till the time your rounds arrive, which might be several seconds time... especially out to 8km, so a bit of spread is a good thing so that you have a chance of a hit even if the target changes its flight path or flight speed... one shell will do serious damage for most targets so most of the time one hit will get the job done... you don't need all four rounds in a clip to get hits.
Of course the 2S38 uses a new version of the same gun so the ammo will have gone back into full scale production and with newer ammo with a range of new types including APFSDS and new types of HE with smarter fuses and of course guided and airburst rounds.
Another factor of course is that putting the gun, which is automatic and fires from a clip, just on the back of a standard truck is not the ideal setup for extreme precision anyway... it would be like firing a sniper rifle from a childs swing... in bursts of four rounds...
China has tons of Soviet ammo and guns, and obviously can supply if asked.
Yet knowing the types would require some more detailed knowledge.
And you can bet anything you like that in private the Americans are probably asking China to make 152mm and 122mm calibre ammo so they can ship it to Kiev, the way they wanted Venezuela and Iran to sell the US oil when they were trying to restrict Russian sales... and would want Russia to increase its sales when it was trying to restrict Iranian and Venezuelan sales too... they are conniving bastards... and everyone knows it.
Yes, makes no sense for Russia. There is no shortage nor need to fill the gap.
That is the point though really... Russia does have an enormous shortage of 155mm calibre artillery... in fact they don't have any deployed anywhere...
I would think that loitering munitions would be more of an interest for Russia. They don't need much maintenance or logistics, they don't put crews at the risk, Chinese would also be willing to do a test run of advanced systems, especially against western equipment and jamming. It would fill the niche and Russia already has operational know-how.
I agree that drones, especially suicide drones would be useful but they are not the same as artillery... when 300 men are attacking your position through a light forest a dozen suicide drones are worthless to stop the attack... two batteries of 152mm guns and the odd Grad batteries can blunt the entire attack even if they don't kill every single attacker. They can also harass the retreat too and get even more kills.
It is the same issue with air attack... a helicopter can take out half a dozen vehicles very quickly but an enemy armoured formation might have rather more vehicles there so rocket artillery with anti armour top attack submunitions can take out a lot more vehicles in one strike without risking pilots...
Either way drones are useful to find targets, to monitor attacks and to determine if follow up attacks are needed.
I am not saying Chinese will the war for Russia, but I am saying that drones are never enough and would give new Wehrmacht larper tankers to regret their profession.
That has to be qualified though because the Orcs are using HATO jammers so most store bought cheap drones are useless... anti drone technology on the Russian lines will also effect drone performance so just sending lots of drones might reduce the fire power potential for units rather than boost it, but military standard drones are what is needed and Russia has been looking at drones from all sorts of sources but seems to prefer to make their own as shown by the all Russian component made Forepost-R and now the Iranian drone design they are clearly making for themselves... why would they panic and buy off the shelf untested Chinese drones?
Not saying they wont have good drones, but there are plenty of Russian companies that have been working on drones the last decade or so that have come up with some interesting stuff more likely to be tested first.
Interesting point, also their plan for a deep water container port on Crimea. Whilst the need for the port, to link into an about to be reduced EU need for Chinese goods, is probably no longer there, the need for food is.
They were working to increase trade between Europe and Asia and Ukraine is on that trade route so it would make sense to take advantage of fertile soils and a broken economy to get land and probably good conditions like low tax rates that were on offer when Kiev was sane... but now they are zombies... controlled by an evil wizard.
You mean all the bare basic stuff that Russian MoD should have provided their troops with long ago?
I remember reading a report about a British soldier who was a tank crew member that died because he got shot and had not been issued with body armour yet because there was problems getting it to the soldiers in the volumes needed at the time because obviously when they need them they need them all at once so supply can sometimes struggle to keep up even in a modern western force.
If Ukraine loses the US is not going to send in troops to take their positions on the front line.... certain people who know too much will either be paid off handsomely to keep their mouths shut with the threat that them and all their family will be killed if they spill the beans, or they will just have a collective accident in a bus crash or helicopter crash or aircraft accident and it will all be tied off and forgotten faster than the last time this happened.
This guy looks like sliding down the route into madness.
And I mean it, just look at him.
He was never a good poker player to begin with but his hand he is dealt is awful... and he is playing against an expert that wont fall for bluffs or tricks or cheating.
Yeah Im no expert. A couple replies on twitter said they were. I assumed they knew what they're talking about and the chinese copy everthing. It has an auto loader that even wiki says is a copy
PLZ-05 is reportedly fitted with a fully-automatic loading system similar to 2S19 Msta, providing a rate of fire of 8 rounds/minute.
The issue is not whether it is a clone or not, or whether it is worse or even better than the MSTA... the core problem is that it is likely a new chassis with a new engine and a new transmission and the gun uses a different type of ammo that Russia does not use... what happens if they buy 100 and find the transmission is shit or the engine breaks down and doesn't like the climate... it is simply not a good idea unless they are desperate and they don't seem to be desperate.
China might have some extra long range artillery rockets Russia might be interested in and of course some light drones might be interesting too... I think the core idea is that they supply something that is useful but anything they supply will piss off the west and they will jump up and down about China helping Russia at a time when they have sent billions worth of military equipment to Kiev... this is not about helping Russia as such because I doubt they need a lot of help, this is more about giving the US the finger.
That would be the last thing i say to an Russian, me being from the Western world.
But all Americans still believe Russia is communist... because their media is shit.
Funny how people here are taking the yap about China sending weapons to Russia seriously. This is grade A BS from NATzO partly
designed to put pressure on China but also to pacify the sheeple that Russia is desperate and can't outlast mighty NATzO. In the
real world, it is NATzO that won't be able to outlast Russia
They are sending billions of dollars worth of weapons to Kiev and it still is not enough as far as Kiev is concerned so how can Russia send a small fraction of its military and operate for a year at a fairly high intensity of standoff weapons and artillery and not be in desperate need for sources of weapons and ammo... HATO countries have exhausted their stocks and are even sending front line stuff they can't replace so how can Russia be doing it so easy...
Well obviously they have been getting weapons and ammo from allies like Iran and China and North Korea and Vietnam and Cuba and Venezuela etc etc... NOT.
China may supply ammo and spare parts if they really plan a big offensive. Even Russia can't produce enough ammo for a big war and have stocks full to deter Nato.
How do you know how well their ammo production and war stocks are going?
There has not been decent analysis in the west of the real capabilities of Russia for three decades... it has all be stereotype and bullshit estimates based on smoke and mirrors.
We really don't know what Russia can or cannot produce, but they certainly didn't send all their production offshore to save a few dollars like the west did.
It's a vital interest for China to not let West win this war. They are next on the list.
Very much agree with this, but western accusations that China is helping along with threats of what sanctions they will impose if they do help suggests to me that the west is afraid of China helping Russia with arms production because it would also put them more on a war footing and prepare them better for any bullshit the US wants to start over Taiwan or anything else there in the region.
I think China should make some 122mm calibre ammo and send it to Russia as a token gesture whether they need the ammo or not just to piss the US off and show they wont be bullied by the worlds number one bully.
If America wants to cut itself off from 1.2 billion customers in the Chinese economy I would love to see the politicians justify this... most likely they will claim it will only be temporary just like with Russia because their economy will collapse and you can go in and make billions... in the chaos that is created.
Never seems to work out that way though.
The smoke break - from what I read - is due to the fact that the military is constructing a new doctrine
Another issue is that logistics is complicated... you can't just boost production by a million rounds and then that magically arrives at the front line on one truck... you need to move the ammo forward and keep them in thousands of different places so that if the enemy hits an ammo dump you don't loose more than a hundred shells or so... each dump might have the ammo allocation for a few batteries to fire for one engagement, and ammo dumps need to be set up all the time in new locations... as the shells are used up some dumps might be reused or they might be repurposed.
How are 12 tanks going to make a difference? Every claim and every two bit contribution from NATzO is being treated with awe and
respect while at the same time Russia is always attributed with failure and mistakes. People should dial down their chicken little
frenzy.
Most of the attacks we have seen over the last few months by Orc forces either attacking or counter attacking have consisted of a single tank or a couple of BMPs and the rest of the vehicles are civilian cars... most of which get destroyed and the attack repulsed with 80-150 dead Orc soldiers... if they want to start using 12 tanks in a single formation attacking Russian positions then drones with laser target markers and Krasnopol artillery rounds and attack helicopters with long range anti tank missiles are going to be very busy.
They aren't going to make any difference. Thats not what I was surprised about. Just the fact that they would push some tanks into Bakhmut now shows that Ukraine and nato really thought they were going to hold it.
Have to agree... I was thinking they would keep them around Kiev for show, or perhaps use them for the invasion of Moldova... but even then I think they would struggle... even Soviet era anti tank equipment would be dangerous for such vehicles and as the Chechen conflicts showed Soviet army training against enemy armour was thorough and effective.
We didn't lose with Russkies, but with China, Iran, and the other evil regimes, and that is not so bad, we are still very powerful and mighty!
And also we are running out of weapons and ammo very very quickly so the Russians must be running out too...
Seen an article stating Russia is sending BTR-50 to Ukraine with pictures of it on trains. Not sure if legit or if the pictures are recent or from years back. The article as always states Russia suffering from losses and lack of equipment. But the way I see it the BTR-50 isn't such a bad vehicle it's got the same armour roughly as a MTLB it's bigger and fairly well mobile and it's large. These could be being used for mobilization forces just to get to them through bad ground and closer to the front, or used for bringing in supplies. I highly if they indeed are being used that it's going to be used on active fronts and used in assaults that I don't believe. And the source most likely anti Russian.
There was mention a while back about the lack of ambulance vehicles to recover stretcher patients... BTR-50s would be ideal for such a role as they have excellent mobility and have protection, unlike civilian vehicles, and their tracks would allow them to go off road if needed.
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