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    Post  famschopman Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:46 pm

    Biggest surprises for me

    - Beyond ridiculously thin Leopard armor; 20mm or so.
    - Ukraine offensive without air support. Reminds me of playing Lemmings.
    - Ukraine to this day still doing Photoshops of Zaluzhny and Budanov.
    - Russia not executing a test somewhere in pacific of the Poseidon as a clear warning.
    - Russia still not delivering those SU-35s to Iran; and apparently Iran not making fuzz about it.
    - Ukraine actually being able to blow the dam; e.g. Russia allowing Ukraine to even get close to it.
    - US still not going all-in given their economic situation; this is do or die for them. I already expected F-16s, although older spec. despite receiving heavy losses when facing Russian air defense.
    - The vulnerability of Russian helicopters (and jets) against Western manpads. Maybe I expect too much from the active defense systems; perhaps expected them to easily jam or guide them away given Russia's advances in these areas.
    - That the transformers intro actually says "Robots in disguise" and not "Robots in the sky"


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:20 pm

    The difference between a HIMARS and an Iskander hit.

    Wonder what the wonderwaffe StormShadow would have achieved?

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    Post  Arrow Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:25 pm

    Zaporozhye air defense ZRPK 96K6 "Pantsir-S1" (presumably) is repelling a Storm Shadow missile attack, presumably in the Berdyansk region, at the end of the footage of the downed KR. @M

    https://t.me/faceofwar/31927

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:26 pm

    Our Orekhov Spartans stopped the enemy advance: the Armed Forces of Ukraine are changing tactics in this section of the Zaporozhye Front
    ▪On the Orekhov-Rabotino line, the enemy continues his military operations, but so far does not throw large forces to the slaughter in suicidal offensives.
    ▪The enemy has changed tactics after suffering heavy losses during the past waves of the offensive.
    ▪Now active artillery battles continue, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are bombarding our advanced trenches with shells, our artillery is conducting a counter-battery fight.
    ▪On the Novodanilovka - Rabotino line, there is an active movement of armored vehicles and personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from 65 and 47 brigades. The positions are being equipped, the concentration and rotation of assault groups.
    ▪In the daytime, the enemy is expected to move to new offensive actions at the positions of the 291st and 70th regiments.
    ▪In recent days, the enemy has been attacking in small groups so as not to fall under massive fire and reduce losses.
    ▪Accumulation and regrouping of enemy forces continues to be observed in the direction.

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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:36 pm

    Lol trying to save it

    Ukrainian Leopard 2A4 with ERA blocks.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Jul 02, 2023 12:18 am

    It is about 2-3 months until fall. Wanna see whether it will happen as the Maidan regime is expecting ? Cool Cool Cool Cool

    https://www.rt.com/russia/579018-ukraine-crimea-hostage-plan/

    Kiev considering ‘holding Crimea hostage’ – WaPo

    Ukraine reportedly plans to use the Russian peninsula as leverage in negotiations with Moscow


    Ukrainian officials aim to station long-range weapons near Crimea in order to gain the upper hand in future peace negotiations with Russia, the Washington Post reported on Friday, citing three people familiar with the matter.

    According to the Post, the Ukrainian leadership shared the plans with CIA head William Burns during his secret trip to Kiev last month, where he met with President Vladimir Zelensky.

    Zelensky and his aides are reportedly devising plans to end the fighting “on terms that are acceptable to Russia and the Ukrainian people.” To achieve this, they hope to gain leverage over Moscow by retaking “substantial territory by the fall,” and, “in an ideal scenario,” station artillery and rocket systems on the border with Crimea, where the headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet is located.

    By “holding hostage” the peninsula, Kiev wants to “open negotiations” and demand that “Russia accept whatever security guarantees Ukraine can secure from the West,” the Post said.

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:52 am

    The vulnerability of Russian helicopters (and jets) against Western manpads

    Thousands of MANPADS launched, less than 100 aircraft lost and hundreds of thousands sorties made by VKS say otherwise.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 02, 2023 2:19 am

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    Post  Isos Sun Jul 02, 2023 2:40 am

    Those thermals are a higher level.
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    Post  mnztr Sun Jul 02, 2023 3:22 am

    Mir wrote:Don't forget the humble TM-46 Smile

    Also forgot the UR-77. Form deminer  to trench eviscerator. Imagine seeing that flying snake of death headed your way. OMG. Shocked pale


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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:01 am

    higurashihougi wrote:It is about 2-3 months until fall. Wanna see whether it will happen as the Maidan regime is expecting ?  Cool  Cool  Cool  Cool

    https://www.rt.com/russia/579018-ukraine-crimea-hostage-plan/

    Kiev considering ‘holding Crimea hostage’ – WaPo

    Ukraine reportedly plans to use the Russian peninsula as leverage in negotiations with Moscow


    Ukrainian officials aim to station long-range weapons near Crimea in order to gain the upper hand in future peace negotiations with Russia, the Washington Post reported on Friday, citing three people familiar with the matter.

    According to the Post, the Ukrainian leadership shared the plans with CIA head William Burns during his secret trip to Kiev last month, where he met with President Vladimir Zelensky.

    Zelensky and his aides are reportedly devising plans to end the fighting “on terms that are acceptable to Russia and the Ukrainian people.” To achieve this, they hope to gain leverage over Moscow by retaking “substantial territory by the fall,” and, “in an ideal scenario,” station artillery and rocket systems on the border with Crimea, where the headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet is located.

    By “holding hostage” the peninsula, Kiev wants to “open negotiations” and demand that “Russia accept whatever security guarantees Ukraine can secure from the West,” the Post said.

    Russia will simply hit the positions where these missiles are with drones or missiles. Threats haven't worked so far and outright attacks either.

    They never seem to learn. Good thing for Russia too.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:34 am

    Insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results.

    The Russians in Crimea are no less unyielding as the Russians they are shelling in Donetsk for close to a decade now.

    If they haven't figured that out by now, they never will.

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    Post  Regular Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:38 am

    That was 3km from target, it seems they don’t even have MANPAD teams to defend themselves

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 02, 2023 7:56 am

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    Over the next 10 days the Kiev regime is going to throw everything they have in reserve, some 70% of offensive force, at Russian defensive lines, in multiple axes at once.
    Zelenskiy has to show some "return on investment" to his NATO masters for big NATO Summit on July 11th

    Be prepared that they will likely breach & overrun some Russian defences. Russian troops will be forced to withdraw in places. In the East as well as the South. Bakhmut's flanks in particular. Possibly a withdrawal from the immediate left bank of the Dnepr.

    An attack on Energodar & ZNPP across the empty reservoir & nuclear false flag is looking more likely from the regime's narrative framing to lay the groundwork to blame Russia. The goal would be to freeze &/or to "to internationalize" the conflict if offensive fails.

    This could provide a pretext for direct Western intervention with the US, Poland, the UK, Romania, and Baltics sending troops into Western Ukraine as "peacekeepers".

    Ultimately whatever territorial gains that the Kiev regime makes in the next 2 weeks of renewed offensive push will come only with crippling attrition. It will be unsustainable in terms of shells, gear and manpower. It will not achieve goals of "splitting the land bridge".

    And after the Kiev regime/NATO offensive has exhausted & battered itself, possibly stuck & stretched out deep into Russian defensive lines, Russia will use it's large waiting reserves to go on the counteroffensive. Can you say Cauldron?

    At that point the ZNPP false flag & direct NATO intervention or the off ramp is really all that will be left. Or Kiev might go purely on the defensive with reduced NATO support for a year or two.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:09 am

    Video of the uparmoured Leo.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:21 am

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    A special aircraft WC-135R Constant Phoenix of the US Air Force was deployed on June 30 to the Chania airbase in Crete. It is from this base that RQ-4B Global Hawk reconnaissance UAVs and RC-135W Rivet Joint aircraft fly to the Black Sea region.

    WC-135R is designed to collect information about radioactive radiation and control nuclear tests.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:36 am

    JohninMK wrote:Spriter Team
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    A special aircraft WC-135R Constant Phoenix of the US Air Force was deployed on June 30 to the Chania airbase in Crete. It is from this base that RQ-4B Global Hawk reconnaissance UAVs and RC-135W Rivet Joint aircraft fly to the Black Sea region.

    WC-135R is designed to collect information about radioactive radiation and control nuclear tests.

    If Ukros try something funny in Zaporozie NPP just send couple of Kalibrs into reactors in Rivne NPP and tell them that dozen more will follow if they don't stop being retarded

    This whole Zaporozie spiel is getting tiresome, reactors are offline and whole plant is redundant and disposable anyway

    Nobody gives a shit




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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:50 am

    No way the stuff would be returned in a week in the West.

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    Employees of the PMC Wagner Center in St. Petersburg revealed the details of the searches that took place in the building after the rebellion of the head of a private military company, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
    The head of the press service of the center, Anna Zamaraeva, specified that the operational events took place on Saturday, June 24, and lasted until late in the evening.
    “ They seized equipment, computers, hard drives, merchandise — flags, caps, energy drinks. On Friday, June 30, a week later, almost everything was returned to us - a whole KamAZ of our equipment was brought , ”said Zamaraeva.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:57 am

    ALAMO wrote:
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    We here are getting told only lies about North Korea and they are not crazy and quite sobber regarding world affairs and what is going on in the world. Kim Jung Un studied in Switzerland and speaks German.

    Well, I have never been to NK, so won't dare to judge the matter.
    But I used to get familiar with NK construction and shipyard workers. It is a hardly known fact that NK is exporting labor on a wide scale, and this labor is being used in the EU countries without any hesitation.
    What is the most bizarre from the perspective of NK workers are involved in South Korean construction sites/investments.
    Sooooo ... let's say that I do have my own opinion at least about that.

    I have been to North Korea and I was quite surprised it's pretty well functional, and nowhere near as bad as the west makes out, quite a lot of construction going on, new apartments etc. It is a bit strange and I was there for 10 days visiting different cities, towns, factories and school, even went by train to a city that was newly open to tourists. I have posted quite a few pics on this forum. I have over 500 pics and multiple videos (on my YouTube channel)

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:03 am

    As for weapons being used in the SMO I think following need a worthy mention on top of what's already been mentioned
    Kinzhal
    Iskander
    Geran 1 and 2
    Kalibr
    Artillery as a whole

    I would have loved to have mentioned FOAB but sadly we haven't seen it, would be nice to drop that on their bridgehead based in the area of the antonov bridge, I wonder if they could put a glide kit onto it 😜 lol!

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    Post  Erk Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:50 pm

    twitter links are broken.
    You can no longer read twitter posts without login.

    I have never had a twitter account, and don't intend to ever create one, I would imagine lots of people think the same way.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 02, 2023 4:18 pm

    Belisarius wrote:
    The vulnerability of Russian helicopters (and jets) against Western manpads

    Thousands of MANPADS launched, less than 100 aircraft lost and hundreds of thousands sorties made by VKS say otherwise.

    Against the most advanced and numerous air defenses in Europe, to begin with.
    Owning the number of systems equaling the whole of Europe, combined.
    VKS losses are frightening.
    Frightening low.
    People yapping about the low effectiveness of the Russian airforces either lack perspective or knowledge.

    @re Mi-35M, have you noticed that they are using those much closer ranges than Ka-52? Some missiles are being fired from 1.8km, which I would call a waste of good Ataka ... Or they are utilizing Shturms? dunno

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:06 pm

    Quite intriguing that Russia has stepped up the production of tanks because most of the damages being caused to the enemy forces is by Russian artillery. Even Ukrainian tanks are being destroyed by Russian artillery and not Russian tanks.

    In fact we have not witnessed a major tank vs tank battle yet.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:25 pm

    We did.
    Only in small numbers and scale, like one tank against a column etc.
    Russian army is turning into heavy armored one, after a short break.
    Tank armies needs tank, and there are two to form.

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