Belisarius wrote:When the war was 280 days old, von der Lugen admitted
the death of 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers, which gives us an average of 360 KIA a day or 180,000 KIA so far, but considering that bitch is a liar I give myself the right to double those numbers and claim that Ukraine has more than 360,000 KIA.
The case is, that western data does not add up.
Those are totally different.
They can same time call 150k Russian death soldiers, and 270k of all KIA/WIA both sides a month after, in the same source (Reuters)!
What we can take more or less for granted, is the official statistical survey of the Russian Federation that placed a number of excess deaths for male population in 15-49 at 24k, more or less.
This register was later widely spread as the Russian KIA rate, which is already a prefabricated lie.
The first group is rated at 15-19 y/o .
This group was not involved in any kind of military activities.
The last group is 45-49, which is hardly a military age, too.
But what Mediazona - a BBC sponsored entry cited later by thugs like Medusa - did, was check the personal data of any Russian soldier dead they could find.
Ending up with slightly above 14k.
What they did by accident, was the same for Ukrainians, ending up with 132k names.
For obvious reasons, those numbers do not cover every single soldier KIA.
But if we would extrapolate their own methods to both sides, what we have is 235+k dead Ukrainian soldiers (!!). And we talk at end of the 2022 only (!!).
With the ratio 1:9.5 !!!!
Those data do not cover MIA, which was tens of thousands of people on the Ukro side already back then, with the overwhelming majority of them dead.
Why?
Because those data were deliberately frauded by the Ukrainians at every single level, for every single reason. Starting from a fraud made by the commanders, ending up with frauding the data not to fulfill material obligations to the families.
So here the magic starts : the very same Mediazona, and the very same Medusa and BBC Russia, published the latest survey. They have ended up with - now focus - 47 000 Russian men as excess deaths on May 2023. And that is excluding the republican units, which is funny as those are a regular part of Russian Army. And made only to suggest that overall number is even higher.
But this time, they have not provided any confirmed data with the names of any side of the conflict, I guess for an obvious reason - that would end up with some 27 000 Russian soldiers names. But using the same stats, it would mean 443 (!!!!) thousands of Ukrainian dead with 248 000 CONFIRMED names.
We are using ONLY pro-ukro sources, financed by the Brits, broadcasted by the BBC and Meduza Mediagroup, but which turned out to be surprisingly correct with the last year data. They did that accidentally I suppose, but still they did.
Now for the records, I do not believe in 450k Ukro KIA, and I do not believe in 60+k Russian overall KIA rate (they are giving a humble "55k" number if "negative tendencies applied", but still with no republican units). I would give this number at around 400k/40k because of the
great offensive that already fertilized another 20+k KIA on the Ukro side, with only a margin of it for the Russkie.
What we are facing now, is a general trend of 1:7 ratio in Russian favor from the very beginning, steadily increasing as the war continues.
It corresponds quite well with the other numbers given : 1:6 artillery leverage, total airforce leverage, and theatre scale attacks on the mobilization potential in the rear.
And people from Ukraine started to talk about that openly. In Krivy Rog, on the street where one of my employees lives, there is not a single house where someone was killed, or someone from the family was killed. General ratio of people who lost someone or know someone who lost someone raised from 15% if I remember correctly in Summer 2022 up to 60% in the latest survey.
This number will grow further, and the ratio disparity will grow further - that is sure.
I really zero care if someone likes that numbers or not, and if he can provide his own numbers or not. Those are the most comprehensive that could be find, and what is really intriguing, uses the pro-Ukro propaganda methods to calculate them. What we have at the end, is a fukin nightmare.