Russian special military operation in Ukraine #45

Last second of some M113 version.

Soldier from the 90th Guards Tank Division tells how it is:

Hole wrote:
Last second of some M113 version.

Last few seconds. Also the Bradley was about to be towed to a new home in the east.

Bradley was not alone. 

This is one of those rare large meetings where brutal reality, for every leader there has been briefed in private so knows what's what, meets the impossible political dream.

Clandestine
@WarClandestine
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Now Biden is skipping dinner tonight with NATO leaders.

The optics, body language, rhetoric, and overall vibes from Vilnius are very negative for NATO and the West.

There is no unity. There is no leadership. They lost their proxy war and are begrudgingly admitting it.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

NATO have turned their backs on Zelensky.

Without NATO’s direct military intervention, Ukraine will perish, making Zelensky a dead man walking.

The West sacrificed Ukraine and it’s People in an attempt to weaken Russia.

They failed.





One of those 'the picture tells a 1000 words'

He might have fitted in better if he had had a shave and wore a suit, but then he is all image and not a lot else.

Richard Medhurst
@richimedhurst
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Zelensky's latest performance: attacking NATO for not admitting Ukraine.

Why should they when they can safely hide behind Ukraine to attack and cripple Russia?

Ukraine is a cash cow and NATO will milk it til it's dry.

This man is either confused or playing along.

This is re the report that Germany only has 20,000 shells left. Then the US only has cluster munitions in any quantity. Also the UK is now spending £250M on new 155mm production lines and shells.

Armchair Warlord
@ArmchairW
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Am I the only person who noticed this?

If this report from the NATO Vilnius Summit is correct, the Federal Republic of Germany is about to have ZERO artillery shells left in its national stockpile.

If Putin decided to attend the summit tomorrow, could anyone actually stop him?Armchair Warlord

Arrow wrote:So what are the remaining stocks of NATO artillery ammunition? Looks like it's ending? Incredible  What is the production capacity of artillery ammunition?

Most countries would not have held large stocks, there was no need. Probably just enough for training/exercises. The US even stripped the 'war' stocks it held in Israel in case Israel needed them.

Its probably impossible to get any kind of accurate figure of production due to all the smoke, mirrors and vested interests/propaganda.

Considering what ALAMO posted about the amount of artillery used in both Gulf wars, it's safe to say the the whole west had tailored their artillery production capabilities based on that.

Which would explain the insane situation they now find themselves in.
They simply forgot what a REAL WAR looks like.

Based on this alone, this NATO supremacy delusion has been crushed, and these countries are having an existential crisis, which is making them double down in Ukraine even more.
Forget arms race, they cant even win an artillery race, pathetic.

Countries aren't blind, they are seeing this situation and have realized the West is over, they have lost this war, militarily, economically and politically, a total defeat.
No need to wait for the crescendo, just go to BRICS / SCO now.

NATzO is a paper tiger, it's all show nothing but smoke and mirrors, with there so called mega tanks and and everything else, like the Russian soldier said it's all lies and propaganda, Zelensky, Biden, Sunak/Johnson, Scholz, Macron etc they are all war criminals, they instigated a war Ukraine could never win or them when they over threw Viktor Yanukovych and encouraged Ukraine's war of terror on Donbass, kidnapping, assassinations and indiscriminate shelling of civilians in Donbass, western leaders have a lot to answer for

Copium, this war revealed the peacetime production rates, aren't up to scale for a war sure but they weren't meant to be.


Now countries are making new production lines to increase it massively, in the end you guys are foolishly laughing at a short term problem... but failing to see how in the long run this will hurt the Russians. As once the new lines are up, Russia won't be able to keep pace

Really if ya copium addicts had any sense, you'd see this is actually good for NATO as it's a problem that's going to be addressed when there is no direct confrontation just proxy.

This amount other matters, but yes enjoy laughing for the short term, enjoy while you can

Godric wrote:NATzO is a paper tiger, it's all show nothing but smoke and mirrors, with there so called mega tanks and and everything else, like the Russian soldier said  it's all lies and propaganda, Zelensky, Biden, Sunak/Johnson, Scholz, Macron etc they are all war criminals, they instigated a war Ukraine could never win or them when they over threw Viktor Yanukovych and encouraged Ukraine's war of terror on Donbass, kidnapping, assassinations and indiscriminate shelling of civilians in Donbass, western leaders have a lot to answer for    

Everyone said, without NATO logistics or part of a proper NATO combined arms divisions, air support. The tanks would perform poorly. Only cheerleaders said otherwise but that's their job, so paper tiger no.

in a conventional war with NATO Russia loses and Putin knows this and has even said it's suicide to attack NATO, that's why he relies upon Mutually assured destruction.

Only insane arm chair generals think Russia can win that.

Just by math your a fool of you think that, Russia doesn't have the manpower needed to sustain the humongous fronts it would need, and to occupy key areas that it would need to in order to defeat NATO.

It's just doesn't have the men period

Arrow wrote:So what are the remaining stocks of NATO artillery ammunition? Looks like it's ending? Incredible  What is the production capacity of artillery ammunition?

AlfaT8 wrote:Considering what ALAMO posted about the amount of artillery used in both Gulf wars, it's safe to say the the whole west had tailored their artillery production capabilities based on that.

Maybe, but I personally would not underestimate their hybris and wish to kill us.
They prepare for war and we know for a fact that all western media is controlled by the same elite that brought us this war. I know that they are preparing for war and I highly doubt any such news. Poland is at the forefront right now in full swing of preparations. The US alone can create enough ammunition for the entire NATO. 5 mln Annually afaik. What Germany does or does not is of little relevance as they are getting de-industrialized by the US anyways. The production will probably be hanging on three strings US, GB and either France or Turkey, but since Turkey is the unloved child that is expected to leave the "family" anyway I doubt they will be favored or relied on in any way or form.

I would be careful trusting this kind of "news", because in in any normal country with it's own national interests and true sovereignty would be considered highly confidential information of the national security order. Blowing out such "facts" would be highly treacherous in big player's mind. You would be jailed for a very long time and not your name, nor any of this sort of consequences would be open. Ergo, I can conduct from this is either it's wrong information to create fog of war or Germany is the part of the bait and not US nor Russia will care in what sort of conditions this bait will be post-war.

One thing I might add, yes, the GERMANS are highly specialized (negative connotation of the word) in logistics and military hardware. It's not reliable nor sustainable in war conditions. Never was and never will be. I would prefer North Korean hardware over German hardware in any war.

ALAMO wrote:Nobody in NATO considered a war of this scale and intensity. NO-BO-DY

This statement is plain out wrong.

Zhirinovsky knew it, historian of european and asian history.
The CIA fabricated and knew it.
After Serbia, Lybia, Syria it was pretty clear where the NATO horse is going.
The 2008 NATO invite of Ukraine from the US's side initiated was a clear sign that they are head on for confrontation.

Merkel the polish jew knew from 2014 directly what the entire shit show will be.

The only idiots who did not knew were the masses of NPCs of every country that did not care nor couldn't point Ukraine on the globus let alone would even recognize Ukrainians as Ukrainians. They were always Russians to them.

Sieg wrote:in a conventional war with NATO Russia loses and Putin knows this and has even said it's suicide to attack NATO, that's why he relies upon Mutually assured destruction.

I would agree with you with the former statement that this condition is only currently the issue and they will prop for war time conditions, however this statement is ridiculous.

It's ridiculous even in war time conditions as the war time conditions would either need total war conditions imposed on half of NATO (meaning mobilization of 0,5 -1 Mln soldiers per country just to send them to Ukraine getting blasted to pieces all meanwhile Russia will use it's conventional tipped cruise missiles, IRBMs to wack the 4 PONOS countries that are the meatshield for the US.
Right now, they are not prepared and it will stay like this for minimum of 5-10 years. Highly liberal scum society in Germany, unfit and unwilling. Polish, unprepared, but willing, fewer and weaker than Ukrops, Czechs a nation doubtful of it's own existence let alone willing to die, Romania that will struggle to take Moldovia with little help of Russia. Then you have the proxy war crew US and GB who can only fight from distance mostly using someone elses hands. What they gonna do? The US in all seriousness has no logistical capabilities to mobilize enough manpower and military hardware to that front and GB is weaker than Turkey. Turkey will leave NATO as soon as it's time to fight.

There is no outcome, nuclear, conventional, semi-nuclear or whatever the scenario will be where NATO will remain intact let alone the 4 PONOS countries.
As for right now, I am quite certain Russia could even Nuke GB with little retaliation capabilities by GB.

If you Nazis are down for this fight, go ahead and fucking do it. Don't sit on your fat ass with your Nazi mentality and join the fight. Your Iraqi and Afghanistan veterans had a taste of the Russian safari hunt!

Sometimes I believe there is some dim light of common sense in you and then you vent all my hopes out with your next sentence.

The coming WW3 will be a disaster, no doubt about it. Millions will die, I have no illusions about that. My ass will be right there and even about that I have not a single shred of doubt. But when it comes to the existence of NATO or anything related to it and it's former perceived glory, intimacy will without a doubt perish. And if you have any illusions of what is going on globally than there is nothing left to say.

GarryB wrote:Think of BRICS as a collective. If India does not want a BRICS currency that is fine, they don't need to take part. Other countries within BRICS can start to work through the process of creating such a currency and in the future India can join that if they want to or choose not to take part ever in that.

India has supported the idea of a BRICS currency. Just that India has mentioned that this should be a novel currency that is created by all the BRICS members and this should not be the Chinese Yuan.

China is trying to push the Yuan as the "BRICS" currency.

China has been pouring in billions to promote anti India propaganda both in Russia and the West. Recently came across a Chinese video where they were promoting anti India propaganda in Russia. A young Russian woman interviewed by them said she hates "the Hindus" because they are cannibals. Almost all the Russians interviewed only had negative things to say about India.

Russia just doesn't know how much trouble it's in. Germany and Japan made the mistake of underestimating US industrial production. It will only take a year or two to ramp up production and Ukrainian magazines will filled to the till

Best solution is to nuke them into submition otherwise Russia is screwed

RU MoD said yesterday that UA KIA were 26000 so far in the "counter-offensive", an official statement curiously similar to the independent assessments.

Oh you sweet summer child, you dont seem to understand, becuase you are not seeing the econimic side of things.

The West could "ramp-up" production and create new production lines, but here is the problem.
They Are Broke.  

This war and the plandemic have completrly crippled the western economies beyond repair.
The money printing is sending the dollar and the Euro inflation straight into hyper-inflation.
Forget the M2 money supply, it doesnt take into account all the money being "loaned" to the banks in order to keep the economy afloat.
Right now the US is entering full on Stagflation and unlike the 70s, they have no chace in hell of fighting this.
They are too far in debt to raise interest rates and they are too commited to keep the economy afloat to stop the money printer.
They are F'ed.  

On top of that, we have commodities shortages all over the place, in particular food and energy.
Right now the US is f'ing with the markets to keep energy prices low, but that simply means that companies are either moving to other markets or go bankrupt, both of which will further worsen supply shortages.
Simply put, even if they build those new production lines, they will not have the resources nessesary to even begin competing with Russia, muchless Russia and China.

It's over for the West.

mnztr wrote:I hope so and I hope Russia bags a large number of Ukrainian prisoner. Both for the sake of Russians and Ukrainians. Widespread surrenders will shock the Zelensky govt and the West and also end this with less bloodshed on both sides.

They should be bagging large number of Ukrainian corpses

Bagging prisoners is just procrastinating

PapaDragon wrote:

mnztr wrote:I hope so and I hope Russia bags a large number of Ukrainian prisoner. Both for the sake of Russians and Ukrainians. Widespread surrenders will shock the Zelensky govt and the West and also end this with less bloodshed on both sides.

They should be bagging large number of Ukrainian corpses

Bagging prisoners is just procrastinating

Earlier in the war I would agree, but most of these guys are reluctant conscripts dragged to the front. killing even cannon fodder will result in some losses. Surrender is also contaigious. Once the taboo is broken it will gain momentum. Its also demoralizes the leadership.

Your right there isn't, because you cling to fallacies, Russia will never have the amount of missiles needed to impos such damage on NATO you clearly underestimate how much damage Russia would need to cause. Will millions die on both sides, yes. Would Russia cause heavy damage, yes.

But it's still going to lose, NATO is a much different beast than Ukraine. To compare them Is foolish, Ukraine will reveal defects and those defects will be addressed, that's why it's not good for the Russians to let this go on.

The more NATO seea the more it will correct