Russian special military operation in Ukraine #45

So Ukraine should be grateful for being suckered into a war that has utterly trashed their nation and jeopardized its very existence in addition to slaughtering an entire generation of youth? **** me. Wallace is a scumbag criminal liar.

mnztr wrote:So Ukraine should be grateful for being suckered into a war that has utterly trashed their nation and jeopardized its very existence in addition to slaughtering an entire generation of youth? **** me. Wallace is a scumbag criminal liar.  

You need to thank Zelensky himself for that too, he was the one who walked away from the peace negotiations under the influence of their sweet-talk.

JohninMK wrote:Margarita K.
@MargarittaaK
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Bulgaria..
We’re giving our Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters. The motherfuckers in the parliament said we’ll never give them away.

They’re currently doing it.
We have no aviation left, the US took billions of our money for F16s and gave us pdf files of their sketches!
**** OUR GOV!

Yeah it's about par for the course

Radev was supplying the Ukraine with Bulgarian ammo and other supplies before Zelensky's visit, then during Zelensky's visit decided to do some posing and try to pretend in front of his people to be something other than the US's coat-hanger that he actually is, and of course after the visit its back to supplying the Ukraine - this time with bigger hardware, Zelensky's rebuttal to him must have had its effect.

What I'm wondering is what this twitter whatever user is even so shocked about.

JohninMK wrote:

I think this is called 'upping the ante'

"We have informed the nuclear powers - the United States, Britain and France, that Russia cannot ignore the ability of these aircraft to carry nuclear weapons. No assurances will help here. During the course of hostilities, our military will not figure out whether each specific aircraft of the specified type is equipped for the delivery of nuclear weapons or not. The very fact of the appearance of such systems in the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be considered by us as a threat from the West in the nuclear sphere," Lavrov explained in an interview with Lenta Ru.

Its called 🥱

Yet another “red line” statement that will result in Russia literally doing nothing about it , as in relation to it being a “nuclear threat”.
I know its his job to talk shit, but sometimes its better to just stfu, shoot them down as you would any other plane and keep going.
No one is taking red line threats from Russia seriously anymore and certainly not nato, just makes them look like clowns.

flamming_python wrote:
What I'm wondering is what this twitter whatever user is even so shocked about.

I guess he is judging the long term consequences.
Poland shipped own Mi-24s, too. At least two spotted en route.
Those need to be replaced.
And gues what? Nobody is talking about Euro made stuff anymore.
That is one of the side indications about the general condition of Euro industry shape&condition.

mnztr wrote:So Ukraine should be grateful for being suckered into a war that has utterly trashed their nation and jeopardized its very existence in addition to slaughtering an entire generation of youth? **** me. Wallace is a scumbag criminal liar.  

But the master's request has been heard by the puppet. Cocainsky applied a few min long expose, where he "thank you" 58 times. Fifty Eight.

mnztr wrote:So Ukraine should be grateful for being suckered into a war that has utterly trashed their nation and jeopardized its very existence in addition to slaughtering an entire generation of youth? **** me. Wallace is a scumbag criminal liar.  

If Wallace died from the most painful disease possible I would literally celebrate.
I remember he was on live tv doing the "Slava Ukraxxia" slogan. I think he did the zieg heil salute at the same time.

I wonder how much effort Russia has made into trying to overthrow the poison dwarf puppet regime.
America probably has very small numbers of even Russian speakers in the CIA, even less familiar with Russian World culture. So its completely beyond me that the Americans somehow ever got an upper hand in the "soft power" side of it all. Unless Russia too was infested with 5th Columnists.

Surely faced with "conscription and death" or a pro Russian coup, plenty would choose the latter.
Even Hitler had to face assassination attempts etc and his grip was pretty iron.

I read an article on Topwar or someone which basically said that Russia lacks the skills to conduct a coup.
OK maybe in France or wherever. But what about in the Pukraine which is 50% Russian and supposedly the other 50% supposedly "a fraternal people"???

So... WTF is happening?

Why is that ukro antonov still flying ? Where are the spetznaz to destroy it ?

Isos wrote:Why is that ukro antonov still flying ? Where are the spetznaz to destroy it ?

It probably hasn't been in Ukraine for the last year and a half.

Not a lot of angst in the press when the US makes similar moves to Russia.

Elijah J. Magnier
@ejmalrai

If @JoeBiden is ordering reservists to be deployed in Europe on the Baltic front, is he not preparing for a larger war, aware that #Ukraine is failing?


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Victor vicktop55
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The Ukrainian regime hit Kurchatov. There are industrial sites of two Russian nuclear power plants at once. Kursk NPP-1 and 2. The second one is under construction. muted
It was not so easy to blow up the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant. They began to aim at the active ones. Nuclear terrorism on the march. And right after the NATO summit. All as predicted. And after the explosion of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, there was no doubt.

Belisarius wrote:

No one is taking red line threats from Russia seriously anymore and certainly not nato, just makes them look like clowns.

What a pile of BS
Ukraine in NATO is a Russian red line, did you miss what happened in Vilnius in recent days?

So was …  attacks on Russia proper, then attacks on Crimea,  then sending ammo, then sending weapons, then planes and helos,   then tanks,  then Himars, then intelligence, then targeting data, then long range missiles, now f16 …  spare me your fantasies. Russia should either shut up and just do whatever they are prepared to do or actually back up their words and do something about the constant escalation. As i said complete clowns.

There is a reason many nato countries were reluctant to pledge military support in the initial stages, because they actually feared what RUS might do in response but step by step with no pushback , here we are. All in and flaunting it.

And why the **** would they accept ukrops into nato and be forced to send their own men to die while they have these useful idiots in kiev who seem more than happy to die for the US empire. Nothing to do with Russian red lines just a sensible decision on their part.

Serberus wrote:

So was …  attacks on Russia proper, then attacks on Crimea,  then sending ammo, then sending weapons, then planes and helos,   then tanks,  then Himars, then intelligence, then targeting data, then long range missiles, now f16 …  spare me your fantasies. Russia should either shut up and just do whatever they are prepared to do or actually back up their words and do something about the constant escalation. As i said complete clowns.

There is a reason many nato countries were reluctant to pledge military support in the initial stages, because they actually feared what RUS might do in response but step by step with no pushback , here we are. All in and flaunting it.

Russia/USSR sent shitload of weapons to Vietnam and killed many US soldiers, so now US is doing the same.
However, Russia will use this as an justification in front of the world for annexing Ukraine territory and maybe to create new security architecture in Europe.

We will see, time will show.

Ned86 wrote:

Serberus wrote:

So was …  attacks on Russia proper, then attacks on Crimea,  then sending ammo, then sending weapons, then planes and helos,   then tanks,  then Himars, then intelligence, then targeting data, then long range missiles, now f16 …  spare me your fantasies. Russia should either shut up and just do whatever they are prepared to do or actually back up their words and do something about the constant escalation. As i said complete clowns.

There is a reason many nato countries were reluctant to pledge military support in the initial stages, because they actually feared what RUS might do in response but step by step with no pushback , here we are. All in and flaunting it.

Russia/USSR sent shitload of weapons to Vietnam and killed many US soldiers, so now US is doing the same.
However, Russia will use this as an justification in front of the world for annexing Ukraine territory and maybe to create new security architecture in Europe.

We will see, time will show.

have you forgotten Afghanistan, America supplied tons of weapons including manpads to the Mujahedeen against the Soviet Union ... the Afghan war played a big part in the collapse of the former Soviet Union

The collapse of the USSR had nothing to do with the war in Afghanistan is a myth. The USSR collapsed for political reasons, not economic ones.It was connected with the betrayal of power at the top in the USSR, and power in the republics of the USSR.

A huge fraction of the political leadership in the Soviet Union had been co-opted by US interests. Gaidar and Chubais are examples of this.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Will or won't is a different thing.

As for the manufacturing base the US is second behind China, we have PLENTLY OF factories, not in the same places as WW2 sure that's true

Also your comment is riddled with what ifs and blind assumptions, The US has the manpower, the manufacturing base and more to easily out produce the Russians if changed to a wartime economy this is a simple fact and we got plenty of resources.

I am not entertaining these idiotic notions that Russia can win conventionally simply because they cant and there is no shame in that, if you put the US in Russia position, we would also lose simply put Russia would enjoy some success for the first few years but once shit got to shift into gears they are done, they will be ground down to nothing. No one country on Earth could fight all of NATO on its own and win.

I am not here to sniff glue with copium addicts, these armchair experts here do not know better than the Russian MOD they claim to admire but act as if they know better, its hilarious to hear and see these excuses.

When the very guys they claim would win say "War with NATO is suicide" then I am not even interested in debates or entertain delusional fantasies period.

Not saying the russians would get bitch slapped or do no damage, sure they would put up a hell of a fight but in the end they would loose in a conventional war and they know, they have said it and this is why they invest heavy into ICBM tech and what not because that's their only real defense against NATO "okay if you attack us we all die together". This is simple fact.

You said it yourself. Second behind China. Quite a distant second. Although I don't know if that's even true anymore, with all the out-sourcing the US has undertaken over the last 3 decades.

Because China is ultimately Russia's forge-world if it comes down to it. Na, NATO's not going to be outproducing 'Russia'. And for the time being Russia all by itself seems to be considerably outproducing the EU and US and all their efforts to source 3rd-hand old Soviet equipment from around the world combined.

Assuming that access to resources and technologies would be roughly equivalent, what it would then come down to is manpower. Here NATO outweighs Russia several times over but then they also have a heavier-set and more hedonistic population and with less military experience on average. Russia even before the world was probably behind only North Korea in the proportion of its citizens involved with one type of security organ or another. Ultimately if the West manages to keep political consolidation in the face of war with Russia, convince its people of the need to sacrifice living standards and wage total war, and then enact conscription and start to whip its population into shape - then it will win. But those are some very big "ifs", while Russia has already mentally crossed these three hurdles successfully, if not come across the need to enact these measures in earnest as yet.

Wikipedia is gaslighting Gonzalo Lira. They deleted his page in the English version of the site claiming it wasn't notable enough.
If you read the discussion from last year on the deletion they claim he faked his first arrest by the SBU even. Such BS.

Yet an idiot like Oryx still gets all the bs credits

Honestly, Mr. Lira was not the brightest fish in a sack ...

Maybe. But he had a huge following on Youtube. And he was publicly arrested by Ukraine just for countering their narrative.
The (now deleted) article even throws doubt about him being in Kharkiv when he was publicly arrested there.
It is just gaslighting all the way.

“ Russian President Putin agreed to extend the Ukraine grain deal, Turkish President Erdogan announced.

(Anadolu)”