Russian special military operation in Ukraine #45

lancelot wrote:Maybe. But he had a huge following on Youtube. And he was publicly arrested by Ukraine just for countering their narrative.
The (now deleted) article even throws doubt about him being in Kharkiv when he was publicly arrested there.
It is just gaslighting all the way.

An informational policy of the western thugs is not questioned here.
It is enough to get back into a thread to see deleted YT materials, suspended accounts etc.
Questioning The Truth Factory is painful.

Regular wrote:“ Russian President Putin agreed to extend the Ukraine grain deal, Turkish President Erdogan announced.

(Anadolu)”

Weird, Russia was all but ready to bury it per what we heard.

Well, it seems they had a change of heart

And all it took was Erdogan giving a friendly slap across Putin's face to remind him who's who in the relationship

What a shame. Putin is a massive cuck.

JohninMK wrote:@vicktop55
The Ukrainian regime hit Kurchatov.  There are industrial sites of two Russian nuclear power plants at once.  Kursk NPP-1 and 2. The second one is under construction.  muted

I already said it before in the nuclear power thread. Russia has been delaying the replacement of the RBMK reactors (Chernobyl type) for way too long. These reactors are still operational near St. Petersburg, Smolensk, and Kursk. In the Smolensk and Kursk cases they are in the black earth region. The RBMK was designed with basically no heavy containment. It was supposed to be able to do online refueling. Protection of the reactor against large scale military or terrorist attack is therefore not guaranteed by a long shot.

Instead of spending billions building nuclear power plants abroad they should have worked on these power plants. At least 8 power plants need replacement. That is basically the same amount as being built in both Turkey and Egypt.

Kursk NPP-1 has three operational units with 0.925GW RBMK reactors. Being replaced with Kursk NPP-2 with two 1.115GW VVER reactors. Which are much safer.

JohninMK wrote:I'd say that it was pretty good Rest of World PR. Cost nothing and much of the exports are now by rail before being sent by barge into Europe. It also adds pressure on Brussels from all the EU grain producing countries who are being undercut.

Expect the grain traders to sell everything they can regardless of the needs of the local population. Also once the current stocks are gone then this next harvest will be a shadow of previous ones. Leading to Ukraine in desperate need next winter. Guess who will be the White Knight?

Looks good to me, especially if Russia gets something, finally, out of it.

Don't forget about the same rest of the world knowing that they're free to violate any agreements without a moment's notice and what's more you'll keep coming back to sign new ones with them that aren't even in your interest in the first place. Probably not the sort of PR you should spread around on second thoughts

So was …  attacks on Russia proper, then attacks on Crimea,  then sending ammo, then sending weapons, then planes and helos,   then tanks,  then Himars, then intelligence, then targeting data, then long range missiles, now f16 …  spare me your fantasies. Russia should either shut up and just do whatever they are prepared to do or actually back up their words and do something about the constant escalation. As i said complete clowns.

There is a reason many nato countries were reluctant to pledge military support in the initial stages, because they actually feared what RUS might do in response but step by step with no pushback , here we are. All in and flaunting it.

And why the **** would they accept ukrops into nato and be forced to send their own men to die while they have these useful idiots in kiev who seem more than happy to die for the US empire. Nothing to do with Russian red lines just a sensible decision on their part.

Clowns with fantasies it's people like you who criticize Russia for not responding to violated red lines, when all of Ukraine and the West are in a shitty situation precisely for violating red lines.
Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of damaged infrastructure in Ukraine,
almost a million Ukrainian soldiers dead and wounded, demilitarization of the west, dedollarization advancing in one year more than in the last few decades, huge losses in economic and geopolitical power of the west...
And after all, here we are discussing why Russia "does not respond" to crossed red lines

lancelot wrote:A huge fraction of the political leadership in the Soviet Union had been co-opted by US interests. Gaidar and Chubais are examples of this.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html

RFK Jr gave an interesting interview where he stated that in the early 1960s the CIA had already placed scores of operatives in the highest levels of Soviet government. They kept getting discovered and presumably killed because the KGB had a mole in DC. Basically, as soon as Stalin was gone and Khruschev came to power (denouncing Stalin in 1957 and liberalizing academia and the intelligentsia) the system rapidly became corrupted. The USSR survived for as long as it did simply on inertia.

calripson wrote:

lancelot wrote:A huge fraction of the political leadership in the Soviet Union had been co-opted by US interests. Gaidar and Chubais are examples of this.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html

RFK Jr gave an interesting interview where he stated that in the early 1960s the CIA had already placed scores of operatives in the highest levels of Soviet government. They kept getting discovered and presumably killed because the KGB had a mole in DC. Basically, as soon as Stalin was gone and Khruschev came to power (denouncing Stalin in 1957 and liberalizing academia and the intelligentsia)  the system rapidly became corrupted. The USSR survived for as long as it did simply on inertia.

Hrushchev's anti-Stalinist litany of lies also damaged the Communist movement abroad.

For example in Canada, many people left the Communist Party as a result of what they heard from him.



With regard to the article from the Naked Capitalism Pawel Kowal is an ethnic Ukrainian from Poland. He is not Polish.

https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia




Another phenomenon that took place was that during the 1960's the KGB replaced many of the professional spies it had in the West, with sons and daughters of prominent Soviet government members.

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1679873550474158082

https://twitter.com/MaimunkaNews/status/1679873848139718658

Although it was "improved" a couple of decades ago it is probably the worst air defense missile system next to Chaparral
What a waist of taxpayers $$$$

calripson wrote:

RFK Jr gave an interesting interview where he stated that in the early 1960s the CIA had already placed scores of operatives in the highest levels of Soviet government. They kept getting discovered and presumably killed because the KGB had a mole in DC. Basically, as soon as Stalin was gone and Khruschev came to power (denouncing Stalin in 1957 and liberalizing academia and the intelligentsia)  the system rapidly became corrupted. The USSR survived for as long as it did simply on inertia.

Btw RFK Jr was a snot nose 6 year old back in the early 60's so I won't take his word for it. Khruschev wasn't all bad - he actually cared for the Soviet people and tried to improve their miserable lives after the war. The 60's was a bloom period for the Soviets and the Communist ideals. Brezhnev was more pragmatic and concentrated on rebuilding the Military. The Soviet Military might was at it's peak during his rule.

As far as moles were concerned the KGB won that race by a country mile!

When Hrushchev took over the bulk of the reconstruction from the destruction of the Second World War was already done by Stalin.

It is not that surprising that he could concentrate a bit more on improving the overall standard of living, as the most difficult part was already done by someone else.

Rubbish. Stalin was concentrating on industrializing the Soviet Union. He did a great job but it came at a tremendous price for the average citizen. They worked like slaves for very little in return. Khrushchev started the prefab housing construction program as to improve the standard of living and it worked quite well. For the first time people had a place to call home and some privacy - as apposed to several families in one room/house.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

When Hrushchev took over the bulk of the reconstruction from the destruction of the Second World War was already done by Stalin.

It is not that surprising that he could concentrate a bit more on improving the overall standard of living, as the most difficult part was already done by someone else.

It’s offtopic, but there is reason why Khrushchovkas were a thing. You like him or hate him, under him Soviet Union rebuilt itself twice (proper reurbanisation)

I had family members tell me how was their life under Khrushchev and all the peculiarities. Believe me, no one wanted anything like Stalinism after that. 60s in Soviet Union were idyllic as well

Without the difficult part being done by Stalin, there would be no idyllic late 1950's and 1960's in the Soviet Union.

Hrushchev slid off Stalin's own hard work.


Stalin was also not omnipotent, he had many secret back-stabbers, while Hrushchev did not. Many wrong things were done behind his back, while Hrushchev benefited from not having to cope with such schemes.

For number crunchers, I found this site with a huge amount of information of what weapons were delivered to Ukraine and how many were destroyed, the presentation is atrocious but with effort something can be gleaned out of it

https://proza.ru/2022/05/05/1678

*GRAPHIC*
Warcrimes. Civilians in car executed by Ukrainan troops

flamming_python wrote:

mnztr wrote:So Ukraine should be grateful for being suckered into a war that has utterly trashed their nation and jeopardized its very existence in addition to slaughtering an entire generation of youth? **** me. Wallace is a scumbag criminal liar.  

You need to thank Zelensky himself for that too, he was the one who walked away from the peace negotiations under the influence of their sweet-talk.

Yeah but the base premise of the absurdity of Ukraine taking on effin Russia (which terrifies the "great" NATO iteself) was based on NATO providing all the materiel and training to do so. As we have seen they won't. Essentially if you cannot conduct harmful strikes on Russias MIC and Energy, you CANNOT WIN. No chance. NADA Z E R O. Maybe a country like Chiana with 9x Russias pop can win a war of attrition with Russia. But the west, way to soft.

ALAMO wrote:Poland shipped own Mi-24s, too. At least two spotted en route.
Those need to be replaced.
And gues what? Nobody is talking about Euro made stuff anymore.
That is one of the side indications about the general condition of Euro industry shape&condition.

What would they get? The Tiger helicopter? The French wanted to spend the money to fix the issues with helicopter. The Germans balked at it.
So it is a half baked piece of shit of a thing.

There is also the Mangusta I guess. But it seems to only get bought by someone wanting to get kickbacks out of the deal.

A good choice IMHO would have been the AH-1Z Viper that the US Marines want to get rid of. 100% proven design.

Finally someone put Zelensky in his place. And of course it was the British, the only ones other than the Americans themselves higher on the food chain than Zelensky. This wasn't one of the liver sausages he was talking to this time such as Scholz or Radev who can only sit there, grin and take it.

What we don't hear is the truth... when Zelensky was signing a peace agreement with Russia a few months into the war and Boris blundered in and Russia fulfulled its part of the bargain and withdrew from Kiev and Zelensky broke the deal after talking to Boris can we assume Boris promised him all the resources and money and ammo and super weapons Kiev would need to defeat the Russian forces... and if he did then shouldn't Zelensky expect the resources to beat Russia to be provided by all powerful HATO whom we are told can beat Russia in a conventional war with its hands tied behind its back... which is how it likes its sex and its war games.

This is a war the US wanted and now they are saying they have no more weapons... sounds like promises are being broken... hahaha.

They told him they could supply him and Russia would fold and his country could win a ground war in Europe over several winters... just a single successful push towards the Black Sea and then have peace talks where you are advancing which of course means Russia needs to respect your terms and surrender unconditionally. NOT.

He should have told them to piss off and follow through on the Minsk agreements... but they likely made all sorts of promises to him then too... the secret is to change politicians so he can't remember who said what exactly... they did the same to Russia when they promised not a single step east for HATO...

I read an article on Topwar or someone which basically said that Russia lacks the skills to conduct a coup.
OK maybe in France or wherever. But what about in the Pukraine which is 50% Russian and supposedly the other 50% supposedly "a fraternal people"???

I suspect they don't want hostile populations joining the Russian Federation and that destroying their army while their population festers is much simpler that trying to win the hearts and minds of nazi aholes who are happy to watch Ukrainians whose only crime was wanting to speak Russian burn...

They are not actively exterminating them all, but no free pass everything is forgiven either.

lancelot wrote:
What would they get? The Tiger helicopter? The French wanted to spend the money to fix the issues with helicopter. The Germans balked at it.
So it is a half baked piece of shit of a thing.

There is also the Mangusta I guess. But it seems to only get bought by someone wanting to get kickbacks out of the deal.

A good choice IMHO would have been the AH-1Z Viper that the US Marines want to get rid of. 100% proven design.

It is not even the point bro.
Objectively speaking, Euro MIC used to be much more competent and potent rather than US based.
Europe produced every single piece of war machines, at lower cost, and some of those proved to be much better.
What is an issue here, is a fact that The Stopping Europe project succeded in 100%. Not only the real Euro integration was stopped, but a lot of damage was made to the things already achieved.
Europe constructed two attack helis, and both are actually quite potent platforms. Four different tanks. Two top notch multirole planes. Numerous APCs. The best artillery NATO has. The best AD assets NATO has. It is all coming from Europe.
As I said, the war in 404 is antiEuro project first of all, when Russia is only a secondary goal, and Ukraine is just a broken tool.

Mir wrote:

Although it was "improved" a couple of decades ago it is probably the worst air defense missile system next to Chaparral
What a waist of taxpayers $$$$  

Now imagine the copium-fueled disputes about this next Wunderwaffe.
Yes, they did have 200 units of S-300, with a few thousand rockets for them. Yes, they had 70 units of Buk, with thousands of missiles for them. Yes, they used to have hundreds of Osa, Strela, Tunguska, Tor, Shilka systems. Yes, they received the latest NASAM, Iris and Patriot units. None of those helped them, but here comes the knight on a white horse! Russkie will shit their pants!

Regular wrote:“ Russian President Putin agreed to extend the Ukraine grain deal, Turkish President Erdogan announced.

(Anadolu)”

In a case you have missed that ...
Turkey is one of top 5 Russian grain buyers.
And the bulk of Ukro grain export is carried by trucks.
There are entire land trains of trucks on Polish A4 heading west in fukin' convoys.
That should give you some better perspective to the matter.

VARGR198 wrote:*GRAPHIC*
Warcrimes. Civilians in car executed by Ukrainan troops

https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status/1679817945386459136

That video makes little sense. Were it not for the live bullets and dead bodies I'd call it a badly-staged hoax or a training exercise for terrorists

Why did they do that? What was the civilian car doing there? What were they doing there? Where is this even? And who's filming and why?

Ispan wrote:For number crunchers, I found this site with a huge amount of information of what weapons were delivered to Ukraine and how many were destroyed, the presentation is atrocious but with effort something can be gleaned out of it

https://proza.ru/2022/05/05/1678

Good lord

All the user interface friendliness of Russian military academy articles from the early 2000s