Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46

bandit6 wrote:The part in this video shows them getting nailed pretty good. 3:00

https://youtu.be/jcQwg0RFT_c

So I can take it by your reappearance on this forum and quoting some resource which claims some Russian soldiers injured next to a village on the front line - that indeed we are in the excited grips of some new push by the West and the Ukraine to get the stuck offensive going again with the help of cluster munitions, terror attacks on Russian villages and no doubt other 'surprises', coinciding of course with the usual half-baked, low-powered propaganda assault on forums tracking the war such as this one?

Because I'm not impressed.

d_taddei2 wrote:You can only but laugh. Multiple western MSM saying that the Ukrainian offensive is about to gain pace
Just what on earth have they been waiting on????? More Ukrainian deaths? What's their logic wait until the death toll is at a certain number before launching their so called offensive?

Cluster bombs - the new wunderwaffe

Wagner fighters want to 'visit' Poland – Lukashenko

PMC'S members are keen to cross the border and settle a score, the Belarusian president has told Vladimir Putin

Fighters from the private military company (PMC) Wagner want to “visit” Poland, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko told his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin on Sunday.

According to Lukashenko, the PMC'S members want to reach the Polish capital Warsaw and the city of eastern city of Rzeszow, which they believe was a hub for providing Ukrainian troops with military hardware during the fighting for the key Donbass city of Artyomovsk (also known as Bakhmut).

After the failed mutiny attempt in June, Wagner members were offered the opportunity to retire, sign contracts with the Russian military, or relocate to Belarus together with the group’s chief, Evgeny Prigozhin.

According to Lukashenko, the fighters hosted in the country are starting to “concern” local authorities, as they want to “go on tour to Poland” to visit Warsaw and Rzeszow, which they believe was a hub for providing Ukrainian troops with military hardware during the fighting for the key Donbass city of Artyomovsk (also known as Bakhmut).

“They know where the military hardware [to support Ukrainian troops] came from during the fighting in Artyomovsk,” the Belarusian president explained on Sunday during his meeting with Putin. “So they have this internal feeling that Rzeszow is trouble.”

He also noted that the Wagner members know “what’s going on around the Union State [of Russia and Belarus],” so he wouldn’t like to have them relocated somewhere away from the center of the country, particularly given that they are in what he characterized as a “bad mood.”

On Friday, Putin claimed that Polish leaders are planning to form a NATO-backed coalition to intervene in the Ukraine conflict and take over parts of western Ukraine. Belarusian territory might also be endangered, he added, promising retaliation in case of any aggression against the Union State member.

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If wagners start advancing onto Rzeszow, Naryshkin would need to call burns, and tell them Russia has nothing to do with this "mutiny"

As was pointed out even by non-expert Mercouris, the Russian side has more use for cluster munitions since they are more effective
taking on poorly armoured attacking infantry such as being currently engaged by the Kiev regime. By contrast, Russian forces
in both their dugouts and who are vastly better equipped with armour are not effective targets for such munitions.

The appearance of trolls in this thread highlights that this is yet another glorious wonder waffle that is supposed to win the war for
the Kiev regime and its patrons. At least in the retarded NATzO mass media information space. I am quite sure that NATzO planners
know that this is a nothing burger so that is why they are organizing attacks on Russians civilians hoping to goad Russia into some
retaliation that they can screech about.

The entire Wagner affair is a con in order to wash RU government's hands in case they want to attack NATO territory directly.
The western MSM has been thoroughly reiterating "the coup", depicting Wagner as rogue group out of government's control.

So the part where Wagner (on gov't order) attacks and gov't has no responsibility gets kind of solved.
The problem is that Wagner had army support in Ukraine. And in this scenario it can't have it. So any operations will be limited to what can be achieved by having only intelligence and possibly EW/jamming support from the military.

It backfired on them, because Russia is disavowed of any liability

If the "mutineers" go on a marauding rampage in Poland

NATO can use whatever force they want to

But Putin should inform NATO that wagner kept weapons during the mutiny lmfao

I use that term with the highest sense of sarcasm

higurashihougi wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Hey, it's her money

I ain't seeing anyone asking it back or calling the cops

Sure, it's her money. But how did she get it ? When the majority of working people, even in developed countries, struggle painfully to just barely get a surviving income and some dude are able to spent billions without any worries then it is natural people will ask "what happened"....

People aren't asking " what happened" ergo they are cool with it

So let that poor woman enjoy her money

flamming_python wrote:....
Back 10 years or so ago RT was exactly doing a documentary series on Russia's different regions and unique areas, travelling experiences and so on. A very well made series in fact, went on for some episodes. Dunno if that turned into something else or if it's still hosted somewhere. But can't comment on how RT's covering Russia now as I very seldom have cause to go on there, and certainly its YouTube channels were taken down with the start of the SMO.

You are right, 10 years ago they had great program lineup: 30 minutes news, 30 minutes quality documentary about Russia

They went to shit later, it started when they decided to make low quality excuses for Russian fuckups instead of reporting the news and went full circle when they decided that they should become distribution center for Western-related conspiracy theories

These days they are just Alex Jones TV which is forced to mention Russia because they are located and financed from there

Not even CNN or FOX news ever sank that low

zare wrote:The entire Wagner affair is a con in order to wash RU government's hands in case they want to attack NATO territory directly.
The western MSM has been thoroughly reiterating "the coup", depicting Wagner as rogue group out of government's control.

So the part where Wagner (on gov't order) attacks and gov't has no responsibility gets kind of solved.
The problem is that Wagner had army support in Ukraine. And in this scenario it can't have it. So any operations will be limited to what can be achieved by having only intelligence and possibly EW/jamming support from the military.

They will go over the border, get ambushed and exterminated as an example while couple of them will get captured and paraded on the news for easy PR points as they beg, cry and shit on Russia

Not feeling sorry for soon to be dead scumbag morons, just saying how things will go down


Poles aren't retarded enough to just leave their borders open and unprotected unlike some

https://eng.belta.by/president/view/lukashenko-dismemberment-of-ukraine-transfer-of-its-lands-to-poland-are-unacceptable-160459-2023/?fbclid=IwAR27FRLEq9ff-JYyfaF3XeWufsOjTvlCSazC256fZ3gHd0DwXielLEaOpnc

The dismemberment of Ukraine and the transfer of its lands to Poland are unacceptable, Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukashenko said at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg on 23 July, BelTA has learned.

"We saw it six months ago. We discussed this before. This is unacceptable to us. The alienation of western Ukraine, the dismemberment of Ukraine and the transfer of its lands to Poland are unacceptable. Should people in Western Ukraine ask us then we will provide support to them. I ask you to discuss and think about this issue. Naturally, I would like you to support us in this regard. If the need in such support arises, if Western Ukraine asks us for help, then we will provide assistance and support to people in western Ukraine. If this happens, we will support them in every possible way," the Belarusian leader stressed.

"Because in the west we have this military influence of the Balts and Poles. We do not want such influence from the south. As you said, the Union State will still have to defend itself. Therefore, such approaches are unacceptable," Aleksandr Lukashenko added.

He once again stressed that the parties intend to counteract such a development in every possible way. "I ask you to look into this issue in terms of our support for western Ukraine," the head of state noted addressing his Russian counterpart.

A 30,000 man Wagner raid into Poland won't be easy to defeat

And if they slip back into Belarus , then the nuclear umbrella covers them

Lukashenko can explain to Duda, these wagners are difficult for Putin or even Sasha to deal with

They are marauding mutineers like you see on CNN and Fox

Putin and Lukashenko are struggling to keep power

This is where western narratives will come to bite them in the ass

Putin and Lukashenko can fully disavow Wagners actions

Any NATO incursion to Belarus or Russia will be met with Nuclear Weapons

It's a mutiny! A coup!

Watch the birdie...

It's a brilliant strategy by Putin

He's calling the article V bluff

If wagner hammers and kills some Polish 16 mechanized troops

What does NATO do? Declare war on a nuclear state?

Do nothing? If they do nothing the specter of article V disappears

If they pursue wagner into Belarusian state lines,

They get nuked

Is Seig right? Will NATO mobilize the LGBT brigades to crush the weak Russian state?

Let us see who is the strongest

Mano a Mano hahahaha this is brilliant and hilarious at the same time

The dog is unleashed, what will NATO do about it

More and more sources claim that Russian Forces advanced up to 5km around the Svatove area.
Some even state that the Ukro defence "collapsed" locally.

GarryB wrote:If Ukrainian terrorist activity inside Russian territory is OK then Wagner terrorism in Poland and other EU and HATO states supporting Kiev should be just fine.

The fact that that includes countries like Australia and Canada and the US should not be lost on western leaders... though obviously these Russians will find it easier to infiltrate the EU posing as Orcs... but yeah... the saying is Sauce for the Goose is Sauce for the Gander...

If you do something to someone, don't be surprised if they do it back to you... or do unto others as you would have others do unto yourself.

If a para military group launches strikes from Ukraine with say a captured HIMARS, and hits locations in Poland, that would be interesting.

Arkanghelsk wrote:It's a brilliant strategy by Putin

He's calling the article V bluff

If wagner hammers and kills some Polish 16 mechanized troops

What does NATO do? Declare war on a nuclear state?

Do nothing? If they do nothing the specter of article V disappears

If they pursue wagner into Belarusian state lines,

They get nuked

Is Seig right? Will NATO mobilize the LGBT brigades to crush the weak Russian state?

Let us see who is the strongest

Mano a Mano hahahaha this is brilliant and hilarious at the same time

The dog is unleashed, what will NATO do about it

If they want to call out Article 5 bluff then it will have to be done by official Russian Military not by some randos

And only way to do it without any consequences is to get them to enter Ukraine first

Still not actually calling out Article 5 but it would definitely carry much more weight than some terrorists

Al Qaeda already did the same thing in 2001 and it didn't work

lyle6 wrote:That's because the Wagner op is not for the US, its for Europe.

If Europe wants to act like America's proxy in its beef against Russia, sure, go ahead.

But Russia gets to have a proxy of its own, but this time, with a twist.

Wagner has nukes, and they are not afraid to use them.

And what's more, the Russian state has already written Wagner off as expendable.

Wagner themselves don't give a **** what happens to them.

Are you willing to burn? Because Wagner is, and they're just itching for an excuse to let out the canned sunshine.

That is essentially the gist

Staging the mutiny allowed Russia to have plausible deniability over future actions of wagner

And western MSM simply played into their game by amplifying the coup headline and seeking to slander Putin

What they did is essentially give Moscow the perfect cover for future wagner intervention in Poland

Prigozhin was not arrested for a reason

It had to look real, and now Lukashenko like Putin says he has little control over these wild "mutineers"

Excellent maskirovka, now a pitbull is gonna trigger article V, with questionable means to stop it

Arkanghelsk wrote:It's a brilliant strategy by Putin

He's calling the article V bluff

If wagner hammers and kills some Polish 16 mechanized troops

What does NATO do? Declare war on a nuclear state?

Do nothing? If they do nothing the specter of article V disappears

If they pursue wagner into Belarusian state lines,

They get nuked

Is Seig right? Will NATO mobilize the LGBT brigades to crush the weak Russian state?

Let us see who is the strongest

Mano a Mano hahahaha this is brilliant and hilarious at the same time

The dog is unleashed, what will NATO do about it

No it's a stupid plan just like the Ukrainian incursions into Belgorod were

It's fine if you don't mind all those men being killed or captured and they don't mind it either. But like I said, that applies only to the Ukraine.

The whole purpose of all this is just a mirror answer to the puppet Belarussian rebels Poland is basing on its soil, as well as like I said, either to dissuade Poland or to provoke NATO into deploying more troops and equipment away from the Ukraine.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Wagner fighters want to 'visit' Poland – Lukashenko

PMC'S members are keen to cross the border and settle a score, the Belarusian president has told Vladimir Putin

Fighters from the private military company (PMC) Wagner want to “visit” Poland, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko told his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin on Sunday.

According to Lukashenko, the PMC'S members want to reach the Polish capital Warsaw and the city of eastern city of Rzeszow, which they believe was a hub for providing Ukrainian troops with military hardware during the fighting for the key Donbass city of Artyomovsk (also known as Bakhmut).

After the failed mutiny attempt in June, Wagner members were offered the opportunity to retire, sign contracts with the Russian military, or relocate to Belarus together with the group’s chief, Evgeny Prigozhin.

According to Lukashenko, the fighters hosted in the country are starting to “concern” local authorities, as they want to “go on tour to Poland” to visit Warsaw and Rzeszow, which they believe was a hub for providing Ukrainian troops with military hardware during the fighting for the key Donbass city of Artyomovsk (also known as Bakhmut).

“They know where the military hardware [to support Ukrainian troops] came from during the fighting in Artyomovsk,” the Belarusian president explained on Sunday during his meeting with Putin. “So they have this internal feeling that Rzeszow is trouble.”

He also noted that the Wagner members know “what’s going on around the Union State [of Russia and Belarus],” so he wouldn’t like to have them relocated somewhere away from the center of the country, particularly given that they are in what he characterized as a “bad mood.”

On Friday, Putin claimed that Polish leaders are planning to form a NATO-backed coalition to intervene in the Ukraine conflict and take over parts of western Ukraine. Belarusian territory might also be endangered, he added, promising retaliation in case of any aggression against the Union State member.

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If wagners start advancing onto Rzeszow, Naryshkin would need to call burns, and tell them Russia has nothing to do with this "mutiny"

i remember Motorola saying he wanted to Grad Poland circa 2015

Not much left alive for quite a distance around the first

GarryB wrote:

You gonna trust the FED?

Profeteering isnt the only factor here, the inflation is real, no matter how hard the goverment tries to hide it.

Its not just "The Evil Rich Bourgeoisie".

So you are suggesting the price increases are only inflation and not theft?

Profiteering and theft are the MAIN thing and inflation is the excuse.

And the inflation is because of Putin and his invasion of Ukraine and nothing else... no US banks are to blame and no over borrowing or decades of bad fiscal behaviour in the west in general.

Never said it was "only" inflation, you know that garry.
You are the one that claimed it was only "theft" / profiteering.

BTW, why is it "theft", you have a need you buy it, you want cheaper prices, go somewhere else.
If Daddy Warbucks sees an opportunity of course he is gonna go for it, that's how business works.
After all, costs are going up, so even the profiteers need to keep up.

If this was 10yrs ago, then yea, its all profiteering, but now, no, its not the MAIN factor or should i say SOLE factor.

I have mentioned America overprinting for a while now, they burned $500Bill just to save 2 banks, that's the size of the 2008 bailout for just 2 banks.
And now they are ""loaning"" money via the repo centers to keep their banking system afloat.
The dollar is finished, now we just wait for the Hyper-inflation to kick-in.

And no, it wasn't "the Banks" this time, it was the Government, since the Gov. forced the banks to buy bonds, and now that those bonds became less valuable thanks to interests rates going up, the banks became insolvent.
It was all the Government's fault.