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Can anyone verify this. An AFU column with white flags of surrender !?
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46
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higurashihougi wrote:
Reason: it is unlikely for the bourgeioise to fabricate the data in order to bring harms to them. When they are telling things bad to them it usually means that they have no choice but to admit it.
https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2023/06/26/europes-inflation-outlook-depends-on-how-corporate-profits-absorb-wage-gains?s=09&fbclid=IwAR3ZfiRj-0BLzlgHg9VKg2H9Nf90NfCi26GXjg-wO6T7I0oJ8goCroLhSo4
Rising corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation over the past two years as companies increased prices by more than spiking costs of imported energy. Now that workers are pushing for pay rises to recoup lost purchasing power, companies may have to accept a smaller profit share if inflation is to remain on track to reach the European Central Bank’s 2-percent target in 2025, as projected in our most recent World Economic Outlook.
Interesting, we have profits, labor, taxes and import prices.
Now since i don't trust the IMF, the only question i have is, where is the inflation hiding.
So the question now is, what do "import prices" actually mean, and has that meaning been "redefined" recently.
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Can anyone verify this. An AFU column with white flags of surrender !?
Ohh, so we finally have some videos.
Yea, this has been going on for a while now.
A lot of people have been wondering why these kids who have been sent to be cannon-fodder haven't just turned their guns on their officers and bring down the Kiev leadership.
And it's very simple, it's because they are all just defecting to the Russian side, in droves.
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Can anyone verify this. An AFU column with white flags of surrender !?
i hope the Russian forces smashed that mechanised force ... they couldn't go any slower if they tried
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In the last 2 years only, Poland has signed the following deals:
K2PL = 1000
M1A2 SEPv3 = 366
K9PL = 672
K239 Chunmoo = 288
M142 HIMARS = 506
BWP Borsuk = 1400
Narew = 22 batteries
Patriot PAC-3 MSE = 48 launchers + 644 missiles.
Surely the reason Russia is still fucking around with troops outside Ukraine border and sending Wagner to Belarus instead is because Poland has certain plans for western ukraine.
K2PL = 1000
M1A2 SEPv3 = 366
K9PL = 672
K239 Chunmoo = 288
M142 HIMARS = 506
BWP Borsuk = 1400
Narew = 22 batteries
Patriot PAC-3 MSE = 48 launchers + 644 missiles.
Surely the reason Russia is still fucking around with troops outside Ukraine border and sending Wagner to Belarus instead is because Poland has certain plans for western ukraine.
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Most of this stuff will only be ready in 2030.
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Hole wrote:Most of this stuff will only be ready in 2030.
So how goes the great offensive?
Tinky Winky Blinkey and Nazilensky are telling us the great pumpkin is coming any day now Charlie Brown
Lots of people of twitter are saying Russia is making small but respectable advances in the Donbass region, the NAFO mutts are denying this
In a land where they burn orthodox churches and imprison and beat priests and vandalize monasteries, there is now uproar and talk of Russia striking a church in Odessa but to me it looks a hell of a lot more like it was attacked by an errant Ukrainian SAM
Jans sipping the Stolichnaya Stolenberg is outraged that Russia is saying it will use the same sort of munitions he has no problem Ukraine using.
So what's going on.
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The Kiev regime has punitive forces (a la "smersh") to make sure that the conscripts die on the front. If there is any hint of surrender
there are executions. We have executions of soldiers on the front caught by Russian drones. Americans think that their guns give
them freedom. This is pathological ignorance. Organized force trumps any diffuse "militia" of armed nobodies. Ukr soldiers have guns
but they don't have any freedom.
Of course, when there are circumstances when the regime enforcers are taken out and the Ukr soldiers can dare surrender. But that
does not imply that this is easy and widespread. The surrender rate by the Ukr army has been very low.
there are executions. We have executions of soldiers on the front caught by Russian drones. Americans think that their guns give
them freedom. This is pathological ignorance. Organized force trumps any diffuse "militia" of armed nobodies. Ukr soldiers have guns
but they don't have any freedom.
Of course, when there are circumstances when the regime enforcers are taken out and the Ukr soldiers can dare surrender. But that
does not imply that this is easy and widespread. The surrender rate by the Ukr army has been very low.
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kvs wrote:The Kiev regime has punitive forces (a la "smersh") to make sure that the conscripts die on the front. If there is any hint of surrender
there are executions. We have executions of soldiers on the front caught by Russian drones. Americans think that their guns give
them freedom. This is pathological ignorance. Organized force trumps any diffuse "militia" of armed nobodies. Ukr soldiers have guns
but they don't have any freedom.
Of course, when there are circumstances when the regime enforcers are taken out and the Ukr soldiers can dare surrender. But that
does not imply that this is easy and widespread. The surrender rate by the Ukr army has been very low.
The Afghans have shown the British Raj the door, the Soviet Red Army, and the Americans all with a relatively diffuse group of insurgents operating against highly organized militaries that were considered superpowers. Granted, they were supplied by outside powers with military grade weapons but they "trumped" much more organized and much better equipped forces.
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Nikolai
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Can anyone verify this. An AFU column with white flags of surrender !?
Old video from Bakhmut and Ivanivske, POW exchanges.
Look, two way traffic.
Video from different POV
https://youtu.be/eeH6NNeXB3g
This would not be possible now due to many reasons. Mosquito tactics also don’t allow large scale troop mingling
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According to the night strike in Odessa and Nikolaev, you need to understand the following.
1. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have long placed and stored weapons and ammunition in ports and, most likely, were confident that these stocks were safe due to the grain deal.
2. Night detonations in Odessa allow us to conclude that everything brought to the ports, probably for the “South” grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, was stored as tightly as possible. Some warehouses in the port area are still burning.
3. The volume of destroyed ammunition and equipment is still difficult to comprehend, however, if weapons and ammunition were critical for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kyiv will urgently request more in the near future.
4. To compensate for the supply of destroyed weapons, you will have to spend a significant amount of time. Considering that a significant part of the shells of 152 and 155 mm caliber, as well as other weapons, go to the area of the Ukrainian offensive literally from the wheels, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have to change the scheme and method of delivery, and this is additional time, which is not there. And this is not counting the problems with the preparation of unmanned boats, which will now be even more difficult to assemble and launch.
Military chronicle.
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According to the night strike in Odessa and Nikolaev, you need to understand the following.
1. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have long placed and stored weapons and ammunition in ports and, most likely, were confident that these stocks were safe due to the grain deal.
2. Night detonations in Odessa allow us to conclude that everything brought to the ports, probably for the “South” grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, was stored as tightly as possible. Some warehouses in the port area are still burning.
3. The volume of destroyed ammunition and equipment is still difficult to comprehend, however, if weapons and ammunition were critical for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kyiv will urgently request more in the near future.
4. To compensate for the supply of destroyed weapons, you will have to spend a significant amount of time. Considering that a significant part of the shells of 152 and 155 mm caliber, as well as other weapons, go to the area of the Ukrainian offensive literally from the wheels, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have to change the scheme and method of delivery, and this is additional time, which is not there. And this is not counting the problems with the preparation of unmanned boats, which will now be even more difficult to assemble and launch.
Military chronicle.
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calripson wrote:kvs wrote:The Kiev regime has punitive forces (a la "smersh") to make sure that the conscripts die on the front. If there is any hint of surrender
there are executions. We have executions of soldiers on the front caught by Russian drones. Americans think that their guns give
them freedom. This is pathological ignorance. Organized force trumps any diffuse "militia" of armed nobodies. Ukr soldiers have guns
but they don't have any freedom.
Of course, when there are circumstances when the regime enforcers are taken out and the Ukr soldiers can dare surrender. But that
does not imply that this is easy and widespread. The surrender rate by the Ukr army has been very low.
The Afghans have shown the British Raj the door, the Soviet Red Army, and the Americans all with a relatively diffuse group of insurgents operating against highly organized militaries that were considered superpowers. Granted, they were supplied by outside powers with military grade weapons but they "trumped" much more organized and much better equipped forces.
No US weekend warrior can start to approach an Afghan resistance fighter. Your implicit claim that Afghan fighters are poorly organized like US gun fags is
utter nonsense. The US population is getting reamed by its oligarch owners and all I see is arguments over tranny toilets.
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kvs wrote:calripson wrote:kvs wrote:The Kiev regime has punitive forces (a la "smersh") to make sure that the conscripts die on the front. If there is any hint of surrender
there are executions. We have executions of soldiers on the front caught by Russian drones. Americans think that their guns give
them freedom. This is pathological ignorance. Organized force trumps any diffuse "militia" of armed nobodies. Ukr soldiers have guns
but they don't have any freedom.
Of course, when there are circumstances when the regime enforcers are taken out and the Ukr soldiers can dare surrender. But that
does not imply that this is easy and widespread. The surrender rate by the Ukr army has been very low.
The Afghans have shown the British Raj the door, the Soviet Red Army, and the Americans all with a relatively diffuse group of insurgents operating against highly organized militaries that were considered superpowers. Granted, they were supplied by outside powers with military grade weapons but they "trumped" much more organized and much better equipped forces.
No US weekend warrior can start to approach an Afghan resistance fighter. Your implicit claim that Afghan fighters are poorly organized like US gun fags is
utter nonsense. The US population is getting reamed by its oligarch owners and all I see is arguments over tranny toilets.
Never mentioned anything about "U.S. gun fags" nor did I ever draw a comparison. Your statement was organized force trumps any diffuse militia. I just gave you three historical examples that counter that statement. Where the tranny comment originates form only a psychiatrist could ascertain.
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Looks like more port infrastructures are getting hit at the moment in NATzO occupied Odessa. Both fuel and food/ grain storage facilities needs to be targeted.
I would suggest the Russian operations command to start destroying food storage and drinking water facilities in other parts of NATzO occupied Ukraine. Food shortages needs to reach a point where Ukraine wont be able to feed its army. This will create additional burden on Ukraine's NATzO sponsors and put more strain in their already collapsing economies. Social unrest needs to be ignited in all NATzO countries whenever there is an opportunity. Then bait the Baltics and Finland to attack Russia first, this will give Russia a free hand to kick out the Baltic and Finnish occupiers who have been illegally squatting in Russia's lands for decades.
I would suggest the Russian operations command to start destroying food storage and drinking water facilities in other parts of NATzO occupied Ukraine. Food shortages needs to reach a point where Ukraine wont be able to feed its army. This will create additional burden on Ukraine's NATzO sponsors and put more strain in their already collapsing economies. Social unrest needs to be ignited in all NATzO countries whenever there is an opportunity. Then bait the Baltics and Finland to attack Russia first, this will give Russia a free hand to kick out the Baltic and Finnish occupiers who have been illegally squatting in Russia's lands for decades.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46
caveat emptor Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:33 am
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Better solution would be if they start to poison sources of drinking water. No population => nowhere to recruit an army from.
WTF are you talking about bro?
Better solution would be if they start to poison sources of drinking water. No population => nowhere to recruit an army from.
WTF are you talking about bro?
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WTF are you talking about bro?
NATO has just started a war of Extermination against Russia, therefore it is only sound that Russia fights NATO in the most aggressive and cunning way possible, Russia needs to seize every opportunity that comes its way to destroy NATO. Period.
Destroying arms depo, logistics and Ukrainian cannon fodder is not enough to inflict a painful defeat on NATO forces in Ukraine. I've said this many times, if there is a severe food shortage in Ukraine, the already dire situation of the Ukrainian leadership will shoot up several times higher. There will be riots, looting, Ukranian cannon fodders will be eating each other as a result of starvation. There will be general chaos in the NATO occupied territories and NATO countries will be hesitant to supply Ukraine with food because doing so will cause a food crisis in their own countries.
A Ukraine with no power, no food, no water, especially as the winter season starts to bite in 5 months will have no means to resist Russia's liberation of the entire country from NATO occupiers and their collaborators.
The continuous attacks against Ukrainian infrastructure is a good step but it needs to be tripled in intensity and more destruction is needed. If I can have it my way all of Ukraine needs to be razed to the ground, the lands will be made fertile with the bodies of dead NATO Nazis and will be ripe for reintegration into Russia.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46
PapaDragon Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:32 am
flamming_python wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:It's a brilliant strategy by PuUSAF
He's calling the article V bluff
If wagner hammers and kills some Polish 16 mechanized troops
What does NATO do? Declare war on a nuclear state?
Do nothing? If they do nothing the specter of article V disappears
If they pursue wagner into Belarusian state lines,
They get nuked
Is Seig right? Will NATO mobilize the LGBT brigades to crush the weak Russian state?
Let us see who is the strongest
Mano a Mano hahahaha this is brilliant and hilarious at the same time
The dog is unleashed, what will NATO do about it
No it's a stupid plan just like the Ukrainian incursions into Belgorod were
It's fine if you don't mind all those men being killed or captured and they don't mind it either. But like I said, that applies only to the Ukraine.
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Trust me, I'd like nothing more than to see 30.000 of these traitors buried in shallow graves
Problem is that it would be epic morale boost for NATO and EU
Remember when these shitbags decided to try going into oil business for themselves and promptly got assraped by USAF in Syria?
Imagine effect of that only infinitely larger
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46
flamming_python Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:55 am
calripson wrote:The Afghans have shown the British Raj the door, the Soviet Red Army, and the Americans all with a relatively diffuse group of insurgents operating against highly organized militaries that were considered superpowers. Granted, they were supplied by outside powers with military grade weapons but they "trumped" much more organized and much better equipped forces.
The Taliban and all previous Afghan insurgent movements were as much organized forces as anyone else.
Don't know what gave you the impression that they were a bunch of diffuse militia groups.
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The problem is that Wagner had army support in Ukraine. And in this scenario it can't have it. So any operations will be limited to what can be achieved by having only intelligence and possibly EW/jamming support from the military.
In the Ukraine they had Russian Army heavy equipment for support and use, who is to say they wont have Belarus heavy equipment supporting them in Belarus?
These days they are just Alex Jones TV which is forced to mention Russia because they are located and financed from there
Not even CNN or FOX news ever sank that low
Wow, talk about sinking low... did you watch CNN and Fox coverage of the events in your neck of the woods?
Poles aren't retarded enough to just leave their borders open and unprotected unlike some
They are financing and arming a group of people that murdered more Poles than Stalin did during WWII... they are a special level of retarded.
Besides the HATO training is small teams operating behind the front lines blowing shit up... why would Wagner be bad at that?
"Because in the west we have this military influence of the Balts and Poles. We do not want such influence from the south. As you said, the Union State will still have to defend itself. Therefore, such approaches are unacceptable," Aleksandr Lukashenko added.
So what he is saying to Putin is that he would rather Belarus took over western and northern Ukraine than let Poland have it.
...well that would be fine too.
You are the one that claimed it was only "theft" / profiteering.
US MIC = theft...
They make all sorts of claims like it is really money going to black programmes that they can't talk about... so 10,000 dollar toilet seats is OK... made of a high tech polycarbon nano material that simulates wood so accurately and precisely that if you put it next to a wood seat you couldn't tell them apart... even if you took core samples... amazing technology really... they also make clothes for Emperors that are really very slimming and sheer and breath well for those hot summer days.
Can anyone verify this. An AFU column with white flags of surrender !?
They had better be very careful and get those men and vehicles out of there quickly because you can bet your arse someone in Langley is watching that in real time and is desperately trying to locate the nearest Orc artillery battery with cluster munitions within range to tell them to hose down that area so they can blame the Russians for killing innocent Ukrainians trying to surrender with evil cluster bombs they said they weren't using...
Now since i don't trust the IMF, the only question i have is, where is the inflation hiding.
Well Mr economics expert I would think you realise the Inflation is in the increased labour prices that is not going to increased wages, but increased costs.
A lot of people have been wondering why these kids who have been sent to be cannon-fodder haven't just turned their guns on their officers and bring down the Kiev leadership.
One video recently shown on this forum suggests they are not even getting rifles and ammo till they are at the front line so they don't try anything before they get there... which shows how much they trust their meat shields.
Surely the reason Russia is still fucking around with troops outside Ukraine border and sending Wagner to Belarus instead is because Poland has certain plans for western ukraine.
More like Poland just managed to get rid of all its Warsaw Pact gear which its politicians probably consider Soviet junk and is being promised new western gear to replace it, and no they are the next line of defence and are important they are getting on that gravy train and ordering as much as they can and probably hope to pass the bill to the EU or US or HATO... they will complain they have beefed up their forces and the Ukrainian migrants are a burden and they need money to help things continue the way the US wants them to continue.
Funny thing is that Trump has said he wants Europe to pay the US for all the weapons and ammo they have sent to the conflict in Europe, which is going to burst a lot of bubbles because Poland wasn't the only country getting rid of old military crap and hoping to get new modern replacement equipment and weapons and ammo.
Of course they can hardly be blamed because those that wanted G7 and EU and HATO countries to send support to Kiev didn't care if their own offer would turn out to be bullshit or not, they just wanted their stuff and thought it would be over real quick and over the next decade or two when the weapons and ammo was replaced it would be OK because the plan was to get rid of Putin and destroy Russia so waiting a decade for new tanks wouldn't be a problem.
But everyone was wrong on many levels...
Granted, they were supplied by outside powers with military grade weapons but they "trumped" much more organized and much better equipped forces.
And the Vietnamese beat the French and the Americans and their crew (Canada and Aussie and Kiwis too), but trying not to be racist... the Afghans and Vietnamese suffered horribly for their feat, but they did it because they knew their suffering would never end unless they got rid of these bastard colonial powers and so they did.
Not sure Ukrainians have the same devotion because the last 9 years or so under western support not a lot of things were fixed... most of their valuable resources were bought up, but how much infrastructure was built for the people... now look at the Crimea and indeed Russia for that matter over the same period and think about which future would be better for the Ukrainian people. Ukrainians for four regions went from being Russian speaking Russians to realising Ukraine has no future and becoming Russians... how many others will come to the same conclusion with Kiev not caring about anything at all it seems.
NATO has just started a war of Extermination against Russia,
That is because HATO are
. If Russia acts like womens genitalia then it will have the same problems the west is going to have moving forward trying to trade and cooperate with the rest of the world. No guarantee to win the war and lose the peace afterwards.Russia should just keep hitting weapon and ammo and fuel dumps... Kiev can't continue without weapons and fuel and ammo... they are already desperate enough to risk being accused of war crimes... not that actually committing war crimes has been a problem in the past for them.
If Kiev surrenders now then Russia will not have time to advance much further into their territory... which freezes the conflict and means 5 or 10 years down the track it all kicks off again with Kiev better prepared.
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Just saw this article and it says Russian jets don't have the ability to supercruise. I want to know is that true? And should Russia be concerned with the Ukraine obtaining the Gripen jet? https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-asking-for-f16s-but-also-looking-at-swedish-gripens-2023-7?amp=&_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16901563609042&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fukraine-asking-for-f16s-but-also-looking-at-swedish-gripens-2023-7
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In the Crimea, Ukraine destroyed another ammunition dump.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46
higurashihougi Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:56 am
Anydbody know about the fate of Staso-Preobazhensky Catherdal in Odessa ?
There have been a clip circulated on internet showed that an explosion already occured before the appreance of a yellow dot on the sky (which is intepreted as an incoming Russian missile).
Pro-Maidan Kiep claimed that Russian sent two missiles to the Odessa Catherdal, but oppossing opinions intepreted it as a Maidan AA missile hit the catherdal instead of intercepting the incoming Russian missile.
I am not surprised if the criminal Maidan regime AA batteries hit their own people again as they have done before, still, any experts know what happened ?
There have been a clip circulated on internet showed that an explosion already occured before the appreance of a yellow dot on the sky (which is intepreted as an incoming Russian missile).
Pro-Maidan Kiep claimed that Russian sent two missiles to the Odessa Catherdal, but oppossing opinions intepreted it as a Maidan AA missile hit the catherdal instead of intercepting the incoming Russian missile.
I am not surprised if the criminal Maidan regime AA batteries hit their own people again as they have done before, still, any experts know what happened ?
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andalusia wrote:Just saw this article and it says Russian jets don't have the ability to supercruise. I want to know is that true? And should Russia be concerned with the Ukraine obtaining the Gripen jet? https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-asking-for-f16s-but-also-looking-at-swedish-gripens-2023-7?amp=&_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16901563609042&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fukraine-asking-for-f16s-but-also-looking-at-swedish-gripens-2023-7
AFAIK 4G+ jets (from any nation) can't supercruise, at least not to any worthwhile degree. Gripen has been spun as a "Sukhoi killer" but its just empty hot air and marketing bullsht. Su-35S will have no more difficulty turning Gripens into smoking holes in the deck than they will with F-15/16. Su-57 will eat a bakers dozen for breakfast
Ignore the plaintive bleatings of the failed Banderite state that lies in the mud curled in fetal position, bleeding to death from its ring piece as a result of US/EU "support".
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K 4G+ jets (from any nation) can't supercruise, at least not to any worthwhile degree. Gripen has been spun as a "Sukhoi killer" but its just empty hot air and marketing bullsht. Su-35S will have no more difficulty turning Gripens into smoking holes in the deck than they will with F-15/16. Su-57 will eat a bakers dozen for breakfast Twisted Evil wrote:
The MiG-31 can fly supersonic speeds from generation 4 machines for much longer. It runs on afterburner but much longer.
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