Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46

Leopard without a turret

franco wrote:

Or American raised arrogance  

That might be the case, but he is Chilean. And should know better how US supported standards in juntas look like.

ALAMO wrote:

https://t.me/c/1638135777/18576

Pay attention to two details.
First, it is BM rounds being loaded.
Second, take a look inside carousel - an unusual mix of almost all rounds being OF. No BK visible at all.

What is that in non tanker speak?

BM - armor-piercing subcaliber projectile
BK - shaped charge warhead
OF - high explosive fragmentation warhead

They are probably phasing out HEAT shells since the point-delay HEF is just as lethal to targets that are not as armored as an MBT, is much more effective against a larger spectrum of targets and is significantly cheaper.

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The number of Lancet strikes caught on video has now reached 500. There have been 55 recorded Lancet strikes in June, 136 in July and 18 in August so far. Of these 500, 169 have been kills, 266 have caused damage of various degrees, 28 have missed and 40 are undetermined.




Half of the targets have been self-propelled guns, towed guns, mortars & MLRS. A quarter have been tanks and other armor, including lightly armored vehicles. Around 16% of the targets have been radar/comms stations and AD systems. The rest, cars, boats, buildings & decoys.

Leopard without a turret

Turret is in the bushes behind the chassis. It seems he had to take a piss urgently. 

Or American raised arrogance 

Maybe in the beginning he thought the western values of FREEDOM OF SPEECH would protect him.
He got arrested, but nothing bad happened. So he continued, feeling "protected". Backfired massively.

Larry Johnson doesn´t think that he is someones intel or other asset. Liras character is to... weird.
You couldn´t control him.

Firebird wrote:....
My point is, we might criticise Russia as outsidersfrom the actual decisionmaking process. But the notion the Nazis have somehow challenged Russia in this op, let alone "assraped" them is ridiculous beyond words.

Forgive me for not laughing because this definitely didn't look like consensual intercourse:

Arrow wrote:Leopard without a turret

Here's video of him being hit:
https://t.me/lost_armour/1333?single

Forgive me for not laughing because this definitely didn't look like consensual intercourse:

And exactly how a photo of a column of Ukrainian armor destroyed by Russia prove your point?  

ALAMO wrote:

franco wrote:

Or American raised arrogance  

That might be the case, but he is Chilean. And should know better how US supported standards in juntas look like.

I am Chilean, and he is pro Pinochet sadly.

I have my doubts about Lira, he may be really a sbu asset. I would not trust him.

Belisarius wrote:And exactly how a photo of a column of Ukrainian armor destroyed by Russia prove your point?  

Didn't realize the Ukraine had BTR-82As in service

Nevertheless the trend on this forum throughout at being shocked at the idea of losses in a military conflict, or interpreting a loss of a column or withdrawal as part of a wider offensive being a harbinger of coming defeat in the entire war - does continue to surprise me. It's just the way these things work.

@JohninMK
That's 6 a day in August. Do 180 missions in August.
Even if only 5 out of 6 hit the target, that's 5 heavy casualties per day. In October it could be 10 attacks per day with 8 kill hits.

Without TOR and PANZIR for Ukraine, it's game over.
With 15 attacks a day, ordinary soldiers could also be targeted, food distribution, etc. that triggers a drone shock like in Armenia.

NATO has nothing to do about it.

mnztr wrote:If any ships are involved in ferrying anything to romania they are legit targets

I'm not an expert on maritime law but I really cannot see how it's possible to enact a blockade on the Danube. Perhaps it's possible in theory to blockade the Ukrainian bank of the river, but your vessels will be extremely vulnerable, and would have to be present across the entire length of the Ukraine's border with Romania.
And you can't do it remotely as by the time you detect a vessel going from one bank to the other it would have already made it across.

PapaDragon wrote:
Forgive me for not laughing because this definitely didn't look like consensual intercourse:

Result of Putin's 4D chess move!

The Russian military was ordered to restrain themselves, even if the Nazis fired at them. Instead of killing the Nazis, the military was ordered to run a peace rally, which caused unnecessary deaths and suffering for Russian military personnel.



In some instances, the Russians didn't fight back while retreating, and the Nazis were allowed to take out Russian military columns with total impunity.
 
 
Ukro citizens, aka banderaits, were blocking Russian armour's movements and forcing them to move through places where UkroNazis set up ambushes to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible.



The Russian military was not even allowed to disperse the Nazi crowd with any kind of violence because Russia sitting at the higher moral ground needed to show brotherly love to the Nazis. This stupid action by Putin caused needless suffering and humiliation for the Russian military.

He is utterly dumb, to begin with.
Everything he did in public just proved a serious brain issue.

Like most social media idols he was mostly after fame and recognition... probably intended to write a book when the war ended.

Probably thought fame and US citizenship would keep him safe.

Probably misplaced of course.

Nevertheless the trend on this forum throughout at being shocked at the idea of losses in a military conflict, or interpreting a loss of a column or withdrawal as part of a wider offensive being a harbinger of coming defeat in the entire war - does continue to surprise me. It's just the way these things work.

It is odd that some people think that Russia only losing 20-25K soldiers in this conflict might happen without losing vehicles or aircraft or any other assets or equipment.

Obviously losing one soldier is bad, but losing 30K and ending up where you started with a bit more territory but with an enemy that can be trained and funded and armed to be the same problem again in 5 or 10 years time then losing more now becomes the lessor of two bad choices.

I'm not an expert on maritime law but I really cannot see how it's possible to enact a blockade on the Danube

Blockade is the wrong word... just declare all ships loading and unloading goods in Ukrainian ports to be legitimate targets because this is a war zone... then sink them as they dock.

But also destroy the dock facilities just to show you mean business.

And you can't do it remotely as by the time you detect a vessel going from one bank to the other it would have already made it across.

Declare anything entering the war zone (ie Ukrainian ports) as fair game... and drop mines into it on a regular basis just to make sure.

Note an interesting fact is that the Soviets developed fuses for their HE bombs that would enable them to operate as sea mines in shallow waters so fit a HE bomb with the mine fuses and a glide kit with the location of the Danube around the port as the destination and release a few every other day... just to keep the port empty.

Result of Putin's 4D chess move!

If the enemy had been smart and surrendered the death toll could have been tiny, but of course they got to choose and they chose for their men to die in enormous numbers... I bet more than a few regret that decision but that time is over now.

It was not a brilliant move because the enemy are good at brainwashing, but compared with the WWI level quality of planning and counter offensives from the Orc side now it seems everyone makes mistakes and the cost was painful but lesson learned.

There is no evidence that going hard core and murdering everyone would have been any more successful or useful for Russia.

At the end of the day these places are going to remain neighbours for Russia and actually spending the money to kill them all is not as easy or efficient or cheap as you make it appear.

Even using nukes would not kill everyone.

Sprut-B wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Forgive me for not laughing because this definitely didn't look like consensual intercourse:

Result of Putin's 4D chess move!

The Russian military was ordered to restrain themselves, even if the Nazis fired at them. Instead of killing the Nazis, the military was ordered to run a peace rally, which caused unnecessary deaths and suffering for Russian military personnel.



In some instances, the Russians didn't fight back while retreating, and the Nazis were allowed to take out Russian military columns with total impunity.
 
 
Ukro citizens, aka banderaits, were blocking Russian armour's movements and forcing them to move through places where UkroNazis set up ambushes to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible.



The Russian military was not even allowed to disperse the Nazi crowd with any kind of violence because Russia sitting at the higher moral ground needed to show brotherly love to the Nazis. This stupid action by Putin caused needless suffering and humiliation for the Russian military.

All you really need to do is close the hatch and hit the smoke. That will disperse them. If the form a line, full power and head toward them at high speed. Once they know you are close enough to not be able to stop they will get out of the way. if not..too bad.

Why is it risky to reach a cease-fire now , based on defacto distribution of forces for Russia ? Well the Orcs could rearm and strengthen their political control , while the support for the war in Russia dwindles and there is political opposition to it . Then restarting the operations , becomes politically difficult and militarily  more difficult . But is this a realistic scenario ? How about if the opposite were true ? What happened after Russia added Crimea to it's territory ? Was there detrimental situation developing then , afterwards ? We simply can not be sure , and predict  any event in the future with absolute certainty . To ensure Russia can diminish Orc fighting capability and maintain political momentum , then no overt , official or declared cease-fire is needed . However in practice , Russia can bring about the same effect , by concentrating on reaching political compromise with NATO , at the same time as conducting largely defensive operations and perusing other solutions for the civilians caught up in the fighting . In this way all avenues are open , and Russia can dial up or down , it's response in various ways . No danger in any discontinuity or hiccups , or relinquishing advantage to the Orcs .

flamming_python wrote:

Belisarius wrote:And exactly how a photo of a column of Ukrainian armor destroyed by Russia prove your point?  

Didn't realize the Ukraine had BTR-82As in service

Nevertheless the trend on this forum throughout at being shocked at the idea of losses in a military conflict, or interpreting a loss of a column or withdrawal as part of a wider offensive being a harbinger of coming defeat in the entire war - does continue to surprise me. It's just the way these things work.

It is not the only point our pocket size Serbian Napoleon is missing being busy with barking.
This photo was taken in Bucha, Feb22. And is sad proof of the type of regime Russkie are dealing with.
It was a case when the entire suburban city quarter was leveled with Grad salvo, only to take out a small column of VDV approaching.
With multiple civilian casualties and gaining no goal. It destroyed some technic, but Russkie's casualties rate was not impressive either. Aftermatch, they saw one mutilated body in the bushes, as the rest of the column retreated and evacuated the area.
It is a crime scene, to begin with.
Sure there are multiple materials like that. So what? In the end, in March a peace plan was partially signed.
And cancelled because Cocainsky represents a crime regime that will suck the money from the west until the last Ukrainian.
Heading Miami Beach after.
More and more Ukrainians are starting to realize that.

Not to mention that Guardian made material is one of multiple propaganda loads they regularly provide, fabricating it if needed.
And all we can see there, is a few destroyed or damaged pieces of hardware. And artillery fire hitting targets in suburban area that was not evacuated.
Oh, that really shocked me...
For a while, they are making and uploading pics/movies that were made obviously a long time ago, in a different scenery and weather. This week, they have shown something obviously made in Autumn, a late one like November or so.

kvs wrote:Ritter and Lira have a conflict going way back when he was first "disappeared".    I am not sure that Ritter can be considered an objective source on the subject.

If Lira was a stooge for the Ukr regime, he would still be streaming.    They would not disrupt the arrangement to such an extreme extent.  

The larping followed by flipping appears to be a common feature of social media "influencers".  

Lira openly calls Ritter a pedo because of the corrupt sting operation that was used to punish him for speaking out and embarassing murkan regime officials (who prefer their crimes to be hidden from public view and their narratves never undermined by inconvenient facts). FWIW I think that Ritter is a victim of a honey-trap/setup, but for some reason Lira thinks otherwise.

We should remember that Ritter was the guy who opposed a whole narrative about Saddam weapon of mass destruction. As a UN chief inspector he officially denied any possibility for Saddam to produce WMD or tools of delivery. He did that multiple times, which crippled the propaganda campaign assisting Iraq invasion. He was giving interviews where he was saying openly and loudly how Hussain obey all the UN restrictions made after 1991, destroying the whole plot and sanctions agenda that murdered hundreds of thousands Iraquis in 1991+
While you can be a pedo only being a liberal democrat with Hollywood connections, you know ...

Sprut-B wrote:Result of Putin's 4D chess move!

The Russian military was ordered to restrain themselves, even if the Nazis fired at them. Instead of killing the Nazis, the military was ordered to run a peace rally, which caused unnecessary deaths and suffering for Russian military personnel.


In some instances, the Russians didn't fight back while retreating, and the Nazis were allowed to take out Russian military columns with total impunity.
 
 
Ukro citizens, aka banderaits, were blocking Russian armour's movements and forcing them to move through places where UkroNazis set up ambushes to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible.



The Russian military was not even allowed to disperse the Nazi crowd with any kind of violence because Russia sitting at the higher moral ground needed to show brotherly love to the Nazis. This stupid action by Putin caused needless suffering and humiliation for the Russian military 

All you really need to do is close the hatch and hit the smoke. That will disperse them. If the form a line, full power and head toward them at high speed. Once they know you are close enough to not be able to stop they will get out of the way. if not..too bad. 

Both Russian military nor leadership didn’t perform good early on, but pictures of destroy convoy were tactical mistakes rather strategical, by the way.  BTG structure also didn’t survive test of fire. Military goals were questionable.

Now much have been addressed, less frontline, better structure, clearer operational goals, no civilian involvement. Even if Ukrainians are stronger now too. 

In my opinion, there shouldn’t be changes in leadership now, but after this, I hope that meritocracy will prevail and vestigial people will be demoted

lyle6 wrote:BM - armor-piercing subcaliber projectile
BK - shaped charge warhead
OF - high explosive fragmentation warhead

They are probably phasing out HEAT shells since the point-delay HEF is just as lethal to targets that are not as armored as an MBT, is much more effective against a larger spectrum of targets and is significantly cheaper.

Yup.
And that is while the regular ordnance load for M1 tank is "sabot, cannister and empat"
Russkie always had a different opinion about the role of a tank in land warfare, and this war seems to deepen this difference.
Guess who was right then?

Regular wrote:
All you really need to do is close the hatch and hit the smoke. That will disperse them. If the form a line, full power and head toward them at high speed. Once they know you are close enough to not be able to stop they will get out of the way. if not..too bad. 

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Not really.
Those pictures are common to anyone who is old enough to remember times from 1991+
The Soviet army behaved the very same way dealing with a civilian population that was considered their own.
It applies to all the conflicts in which the federal army was involved, starting with Nachchivan.
You don't shoot your own people being a soldier.
And actually the Ukrainian army - when existed in 2014 - behaved similar way.
People blocked, stopped and disarmed entire columns. One of VDV units was disbanded later for that.
Nazis had to reorganize the army units and fill them with banderites and nazis to push the others.