Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

Hole wrote:

A new type of Geran’

Geran is much bigger. And why would Russians use a SIM card from Kiev?

So it can operate behind enemy lines, connect to enemy mobile networks, identify targets and report back, probably through dark web encrypted sites. Use the enemies own infrastructure against them.

JohninMK wrote:Colonel Snow has arrived in western Ukraine.

Mother Nature has generously withheld her snow falls on the land bridge.

The Russian General Staff have officially thanked her for her supporting efforts, but also advise that its not strictly necessary. Ukrotrash are toast regardless of where the snow falls

Kiko wrote:Zaluzhny Talking Peace With Russia Behind Zelensky and Biden’s Backs: Sy Hersh, by Ilya Tsukanov for Sputnikglobe.com 12.01.2023.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20231201/zaluzhny-talking-peace-with-russia-behind-zelensky-and-bidens-backs-sy-hersh-1115333803.html

The full story apparently states that these alleged Gerasimov-Zalnazi "talks" has Gerasimov agreeing in principle to Ukropistan joining NATO as long as they commit to allowing no foreign forces on Ukropi territory

No chance that such a thing will ever happen, and of course Gerasimov has absolutely ZERO authority from the Russian gov to negotiate any such thing.  This tells me that the story is based on misinfo.  

Maybe its part of a psyop intended to sow extra distrust between Zelly Coke Boy and Zully Bandera Lover?  Those two clearly hate each other and very much want the others demise, but they are currently blocked by the other factions supporters and can't act decisely.

GarryB wrote: the pilot was less likely to ignore a female voice telling them to eject or pull up.

I suspect that many men have heard that or a similar command in their lives

NATO will reach the desired production volumes of 155mm

Even if that happens, they will be much lower than the current russian production levels.

Ukraine already matches Russia for Drone volume

Even fanatical Ukro fighters have a different opinion on that.

if Ukraine take back all their territories

With whom? 8 year old kids?

Reaction of AFU soldiers after receiving "more" ammunition

If they use them carefully the supply will last a week.

Use the enemies own infrastructure against them.

Or the drone was a trick to force the Ukros to shut down parts of their mobile phone network...

The Russian General Staff have officially thanked her for her supporting efforts, but also advise that its not strictly necessary.

Russians fight better in snow.

No chance that such a thing will ever happen, and of course Gerasimov has absolutely ZERO authority from the Russian gov

The only thing Gerasimov will be taking with that dickhead is the total surrender of all Ukro troops.
Maybe some POW exchange.

This assumes there were no female radio operators in the 1970s

At least their were no Intercept Officers, the people mostly speaking to fighter pilots except air traffic controllers.

if they cannot get advantages on the ground,

There are enough videos showing Ukro drones hitting individual Russian servicemen as of today

They can spare drones

What they need are artillery, air defenses, and extended range missiles

Ofc I am not saying Ukraine will win this moment, or even next year, but if they can get those supplies to flow, and they can increase stocks of weapons it will pose a significant challenge

Also realize that Ukraine is starting to dig in, reports are coming in that they are pouring concrete, digging trenches, and increasing earthworks

This means that if they are given time, they will build another donbass, which is the worse possible thing -

Zaluzhny is much smarter from a military perspective, he won't throw meat assaults like zelensky, he is going to conserve his manpower and dig in, making advances costly for Russia

In other words, he will give up territory for manpower, like Russia did

Notice Zelensky has now supported this idea, not that he has another choice, but the entire VSU is digging in now, and if they are given time, it can become a grave problem, literally

No reason why Russia can not follow a multi- pronged policy in Ukraine . As long as any element or activity does not interfere or contradict others . I have said before that in unknown environment a Swiss Army knife or generalist approach is best ( including weapons use and design ) , rather than solely perusing a one track policy of putting all your Eggs in one Basket and drive in a 2CV , across a field to see if they break or not . Therefore all these policies can be conducted simultaneously and empirical results recorded : ( 1 ) Direct talks with NATO over partition and arms limitations for Kiev . ( 2 ) Meat - Grinder to keep on churning . ( 3 ) Talks with any Ukrainian that wants to talk . ( 4 ) Eliminating any Orc Ukrainian that does not want to talk . ( 5 ) Taking out infrastructure , in case it can not be captured . ( 6 ) Saving infrastructure that can be captured . ( 7 ) planning to evacuate to Russia , anyone wishing to leave . ( 8 ) planning to protect anyone , wishing to stay . ( 9 ) Arming partisans in some area to fight the Orcs .......

Pouring concrete in wet, muddy, and freezing conditions is the worst possible environment to be doing such. And I am sure while trying to do so they will be attacked with drones and artillery which will slow things down even further. Ukraine won't last two years, if u see how much they have lost since the start of the conflict and that was while they had actual troops, equipment, and full NATO support. The casualties will be even higher soon with ill trained civilians, most of which are forced to fight adolescents, pensioners and the disabled. As for digging in it's pretty pointless Russia has massive volumes of artillery, drones, FAB, and TOS, which we have seen doing massive damage to Ukrainian lines. And bear in mind these Ukrainians aren't proper soldiers but forced, ill trained civilians as mentioned above, they will just surrender, refuse to fight, or kill themselves.

NATO countries are running out of ammo and equipment, and can't keep up with Ukrainian demand, then add to that countries who are tired or simply given up on supplying equipment. The last package was pretty pitiful. Winter conditions is only going to decrease morale and increase surrenders.

I really think Ukraine will collapse within months, that could be a military coup, or mass surrenders or refusal of troops to fight.. either way it will likely happen.

d_taddei2 wrote:Pouring concrete in wet, muddy, and freezing conditions is the worst possible environment to be doing such. And I am sure while trying to do so they will be attacked with drones and artillery which will slow things down even further. Ukraine won't last two years, if u see how much they have lost since the start of the conflict and that was while they had actual troops, equipment, and full NATO support. The casualties will be even higher soon with ill trained civilians, most of which are forced to fight adolescents, pensioners and the disabled. As for digging in it's pretty pointless Russia has massive volumes of artillery, drones, FAB, and TOS, which we have seen doing massive damage to Ukrainian lines. And bear in mind these Ukrainians aren't proper soldiers but forced, ill trained civilians as mentioned above, they will just surrender, refuse to fight, or kill themselves.

NATO countries are running out of ammo and equipment, and can't keep up with Ukrainian demand, then add to that countries who are tired or simply given up on supplying equipment. The last package was pretty pitiful. Winter conditions is only going to decrease morale and increase surrenders.

I really think Ukraine will collapse within months, that could be a military coup, or mass surrenders or refusal of troops to fight.. either way it will likely happen.

With all due respect, its wishful thinking

First off, those teraborona kept the 40km Russian column from taking Brovary, Irpen, and other such areas

In defense, untrained civilians can do a lot - if all they do is man a trench or a bunker

You don't have to train them for assault

And secondly, have you seen donetsk? What has TOS, FAB, and other weapons done to dislodge the defenders? Every meter is fought for in blood

Sure Russia can spend its manpower in grinding down places like Avdeevka, Toretsk, New York, Konstantinovka and so on, once they take Kramatorsk they will just have more fortifications to dismantle once Ukrainians dig the trench complex along Poltava-Pokrovsk

As for ammo, sure there's a shortage now, but in 2 years, USA, South Korea, and NATO will reach parity with Russia

It's a time equation , Russia can also increase production, but it will need it's own stocks of ammo

Maybe North Korea can step in to supplant ammo, but it will be tough without mobilizing additional resources to commit to production

The way I see it, Russia needs to end the war by 2025, or face a revamped NATO

The only way to do that, is to activate the Gaza option

This is what i advocated at the beginning, but many members said it was stupid, because Russia had to save the poor Ukrainians that are held against their will, yes poor Ukrainians, 1 million dead voluntarily

Given the realities, saving Ukraine is not an option, they will fight for every meter, so the only option is to destroy it all,

The choice to grind Ukraine makes sense if you can force surrender on your own terms

But if they survive until 2026, the questions gets thrown into the air

Israel showed how to enter a city like Gaza, they bombed corridors for their troops to enter, and then they slowly clear it out

Russia can launch multiple Gazas, and who gives a shit what international community thinks - it hasn't stopped Israel

Hole wrote:

a female voice

A female voice was chosen back in the 70´s so that the pilot knows it´s the warning system of his aircraft and
not some command from his superiour on the ground.

Early human factors research in aircraft and other domains indicated that female voices were more authoritative to male pilots and crew members and were more likely to get their attention.

So you think a trained pilot would not take orders??

@ark, you talk as if these civilians are robots. Civilians are NOT soldiers and sticking them in a uniform, armed with a gun and put into trench doesn't make them one either. If u have ever served in the army you will have seen many people go through training and not make it, I saw hundreds leave back in 1998, and this was just TRAINING not war, with war comes fear, especially when Ur forced to fight, whats more scary is when u know u haven't had good quality training either meaning your not trained to do the job and you don't feel confident in doing the job. Firing blindly over your head in trench isn't going to achieve anything other than waste precious ammo, now factor in watching the people next to get killed and wounded and the psychological effects of that on a civilian who's already got low morale, now add in the freezing weather, and suddenly u have a civvie wanting to give up. The hype of going to war, and protecting your country is over for Ukraine. Had this been the first few months of the war then many would think they are John Rambo and wanting to put their bodies on the line but things have changed, they know they are losing and losing a lot.

As for ammo yes there is little to no ammo. And yes maybe USA production might be at better levels in two years, but that doesn't mean Russia is going to stop and wait for that as if it's the play fair fight game. Ukraine can't wait two years, and Russia won't hang around waiting for it either. The west has exhausted armoured vehicle supplies, sending the odd piece now and then isn't going to work. Money is drying up for Ukraine as support dwindles as well. And who else will they have left in their ranks in two years? Ukraines population has declined through death or fleeing the country and the rest are wounded to the point of severe disablement. And I don't see more mercs joining. The fact that after this length of time during the the war they have had to rely on younger teenagers, pensioners, women, says it all. What option is left? raid kindergartens and mental asylums? They have literally no air force, zero navy, and an army that's running low on everything. Their economy is in tatters, their infrastructure in ruins, and political backstabbing, and a coke head in charge (for now) if you think that's a recipe for success or saviour for the next two years then you must be out of your mind.

As for Israel well Israel gets away with murder and faces zero sanctions for doing such scorched earth and genocide tactics while if Russia did it, well it be a different story just look at what BS stories, accusations, dramas, they have faked against them already. And to add the biggest sanctions package ever. We have already seen fairly decent amounts of surrenders so far, and they will increase as the war goes on. And it gets to a point it just completely folds. Ukrainians won't fight every meter if you seen what they have lost already there wouldn't be enough troops to cover lines falling back to central Ukraine

@UniqueMongolia
Fresh footage of the Ukrainian "voluntary" mobilization in the town of Smela, Cherkasy region. 3 officers from the military commissariat, armed with automatic rifles, pull a potential conscript out of a car. The police persuaded passers-by not to interfere.


All for the final victory

Arkanghelsk wrote:Russia can launch multiple Gazas, and who gives a shit what international community thinks - it hasn't stopped Israel

Zionistan nazis get away with their deliberate genocide in Gaza because Jewish money has occupied the US Congress and those selfish incompetent political whores will do anything to keep their fat useless corrupt arses in power, and they need Jewish money to make that happen. Control the leadership class of the current (but fading) unipolar moment and you also control the leadership of "international" organisations (eg OSCE, ICC, OPCW, World Bank & IMF, IOC etc etc), and can bend them to the will of globalist elites.

If Russia were to do the same as Zionistan in Gaza then the outcry from the "moral West" with its overwhelming concern for "human rights" would be ear-splitting.

Sociopathic hypocrites like the current crop of Western "leaders" have no sense of shame and have no ability to self-reflect and examine their own actions. They will continue to double down and project their ideology without pause, but this psychotic single-mindedness to dominate and bind the rest of the planet into permanent subserviance shall be their undoing as the West slides further and the rest of humanity overtakes them in terms of real-world economy and geo-politics. BRICS+ will lead the way as the central focus of anti-NWO action, but IMHO this will movement be far larger still as it will encompass a large majority of the world, and the global humanity will no longer tolerate this outright criminality.

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:@UniqueMongolia
Fresh footage of the Ukrainian "voluntary" mobilization in the town of Smela, Cherkasy region. 3 officers from the military commissariat, armed with automatic rifles, pull a potential conscript out of a car. The police persuaded passers-by not to interfere.

The Russian Army must be quaking in their boots at the prospect of having to face AFU units that have been "bolstered" with an influx of such people. Their willingness to fight and die for Zellie and his new Florida mansions is clearly something to be feared...

They say that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are thoroughly preparing for the final stage of the counter-offensive

Inflatable mock-ups of the M270 MLRS from the Lithuanian company Aviatema are already at the front.

@ukr_leaks_eng




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@djuric_zlatko
Poland transferred 18 Krab self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine

Another 56 are being prepared for transfer, PAP reported on Sunday.



The deep command post of the air defense control and warning center of the Air Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine “Vostok” in the Dnepropetrovsk area was hit

This was reported to the Russian Ministry of Defense. Also hit:

Fuel warehouses in the areas of Mirgorod, Poltava region and Khmelnitsky;

Arsenal of ammunition in the Nikolaev region;

Manpower and equipment in 107 districts.
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Belisarius wrote:Our source reports that no money was budgeted for the construction of defense structures and “lines,” which everyone in Ukraine began to talk about so en masse. This means they will take from the military budget for the purchase of weapons and simply from the general budget of the country, cutting off other sectors.
The construction of defense structures has already been estimated at at least $40 billion.
Now they will try to extort money from the West, but the partners will give “crumbs”. Which means that they will build the defense slowly and steal a lot, as with Yatsenyuk’s wall.
As a result, it may turn out that according to the documents there are structures, but in fact they are not.

We are watching...
https://t.me/legitimniy/16818

Ukraine is BANKRUPT, the US is ditching them as they have FAILED in their misison, while the Eurotrash are facing an ever-worsening economic downturn and simply don't have the cajones to step up to the plate and keep the war going on their own resources. Ukraine doesn't have 8 years to erect Donbass Mk 2 defences, and their manpower reserves are critical such that need to employ women in the trenches and forceably mobilise anyone between the ages of 16 and 70

Yeah sure, this is the formula for success.

Slava kokaini

Russian Defence Ministry report on the PROGRESS of the special military operation (25 November – 2 December 2023)

In the period from 25 November to 2 December 2023, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation inflicted 27 group strikes with high-precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles on the military airfield infrastructure, arsenals, storage sites for artillery ammunition, weapons and military hardware, as well as enemy POL bases.

In addition, the AFU temporary deployment sites were struck. All the assigned targets have been engaged.

In Kupyansk direction, units of the Zapad Group of Forces have improved the situation along the front line near Sinkovka (Kharkov region) and repelled 18 AFU attacks.

Aviation and artillery inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, 57th Motorised Infantry Brigade, 14th, 43rd, 53rd, and 67th mechanised brigades near Sinkovka, Ivanovka, and Kislovka (Kharkov region).

The enemy losses amounted to more than 315 Ukrainian troops, two tanks, eight armoured fighting vehicles, 15 motor vehicles, and seven field artillery guns.

In Krasny Liman direction, units of the Tsentr Group of Forces supported by aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrower systems repelled 13 attacks launched by assault detachments of the AFU 12th Special Operations Brigade, 47th and 67th mechanised brigades.

In addition, strikes were delivered at manpower of the AFU 31st National Guard Brigade, 117th and 125th territorial defence brigades close to Torskoye, Krasny Liman, Serebryanka, and Grigorovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

The enemy losses amounted to up to 950 Ukrainian troops killed and wounded, seven armoured fighting vehicles, and 21 motor vehicles in this direction.

In Donetsk direction, units of the Yug Group of Forces supported by aviation and artillery continued to improve the tactical situation at the forward lines and liberated Artyomovskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

In addition, strikes were delivered at the AFU manpower and hardware near Maryinka, Kurdyumovka, and Kleshcheyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

Over the past week, 25 attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces were repelled.

The enemy losses amounted to more than 1680 Ukrainian troops, six tanks, six armoured fighting vehicles, 31 motor vehicles, and 19 field artillery guns.

In South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok Group of Forces repelled three enemy attacks.

Aviation and artillery inflicted losses on units of the AFU 58th Motorised Infantry Brigade, 72nd Mechanised Brigade, and 128th Territorial Defence Brigade close to Novomikhailovka, Staromayorskoye, Nikolskoye, Shevchenko, Konstantinovka, and Novodonetskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

The enemy losses amounted to more than 880 Ukrainian troops, one tank, six armoured fighting vehicles, 20 motor vehicles, and five field artillery guns.

In Zaporozhye direction, units of the Russian Group of Forces engaged in intensive defence, during which repelled 14 attacks of the AFU units near Rabotino and Verbovoye (Zaporozhye region).

Moreover, the Russian Armed Forces inflicted fire damage on manpower and hardware of the AFU 71st Jaeger Brigade, 82nd Assault Brigade, 33rd, 65th, and 118th mechanised brigades near Malaya Tokmachka and Novoandreyevka (Zaporozhye region).

The AFU losses amounted to more than 315 Ukrainian troops, five tanks, seven armoured fighting vehicles, 21 motor vehicles, as well as five field artillery guns.

In Kherson direction, the enemy units made unsuccessful attempts to land infantry groups on islands and the left bank of the Dnepr.

As a result of preventive actions by the Russian forces and artillery fire assaults, the AFU have lost up to 450 Ukrainian troops, 13 field artillery guns, 23 boats, and 26 motor vehicles. Two AFU sabotage and reconnaissance groups were eliminated.

In addition, units of the AFU 35th, 36th, and 37th marines brigades have been struck near Tyaginka, Tokarevka, and Sadovoye (Kherson region).

In addition, 14 Ukrainian servicemen were taken prisoner in this direction during the week.

Operational-Tactical and Missile Troops of the Russian Groups of Forces destroyed one fuel depot and the air park at the airfield near Mirgorod (Poltava region), as well as six P-18 radar stations.

Air defence systems shot down eight aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force during the week, namely, five MiG-29, two Su-27, one Su-25, as well as one Mi-8 helicopter.

Air defence units shot down 41 HIMARS and Uragan MLRS projectiles, three HARM anti-radiation missiles, and 188 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles.

In total, 545 airplanes and 256 helicopters, 9,353 unmanned aerial vehicles, 442 air defence missile systems, 13,743 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,187 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 7,215 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 15,844 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Russian Defence Ministry

JohninMK wrote:Inflatable mock-ups of the M270 MLRS from the Lithuanian company Aviatema are already at the front.

The logic of mockups doesn't quite have the same ring to it when a battlefield is full of FPV drones that cost a fraction of the mockup...

Let NATO waste their time and money on useless junk. NATOstan lays plans to spend more resources than the Russians, yet we are supposed to think this a step towards a NATO "victory"?