Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

GarryB wrote: the pilot was less likely to ignore a female voice telling them to eject or pull up.

I suspect that many men have heard that or a similar command in their lives

Ukraine already matches Russia for Drone volume

Even fanatical Ukro fighters have a different opinion on that.

Article a week ago from Ukrainian sources were complaining that the Russians were out producing them in Drones at least 6 to 1. Article also stated that Drones were being manufactured at 200+ locations in Ukraine.

There are enough videos showing Ukro drones hitting individual Russian servicemen as of today

They can spare drones

What they need are artillery, air defenses, and extended range missiles

Ofc I am not saying Ukraine will win this moment, or even next year, but if they can get those supplies to flow, and they can increase stocks of weapons it will pose a significant challenge

Also realize that Ukraine is starting to dig in, reports are coming in that they are pouring concrete, digging trenches, and increasing earthworks

This means that if they are given time, they will build another donbass, which is the worse possible thing -

Zaluzhny is much smarter from a military perspective, he won't throw meat assaults like zelensky, he is going to conserve his manpower and dig in, making advances costly for Russia

In other words, he will give up territory for manpower, like Russia did

Notice Zelensky has now supported this idea, not that he has another choice, but the entire VSU is digging in now, and if they are given time, it can become a grave problem, literally

Pouring concrete in wet, muddy, and freezing conditions is the worst possible environment to be doing such. And I am sure while trying to do so they will be attacked with drones and artillery which will slow things down even further. Ukraine won't last two years, if u see how much they have lost since the start of the conflict and that was while they had actual troops, equipment, and full NATO support. The casualties will be even higher soon with ill trained civilians, most of which are forced to fight adolescents, pensioners and the disabled. As for digging in it's pretty pointless Russia has massive volumes of artillery, drones, FAB, and TOS, which we have seen doing massive damage to Ukrainian lines. And bear in mind these Ukrainians aren't proper soldiers but forced, ill trained civilians as mentioned above, they will just surrender, refuse to fight, or kill themselves.

NATO countries are running out of ammo and equipment, and can't keep up with Ukrainian demand, then add to that countries who are tired or simply given up on supplying equipment. The last package was pretty pitiful. Winter conditions is only going to decrease morale and increase surrenders.

I really think Ukraine will collapse within months, that could be a military coup, or mass surrenders or refusal of troops to fight.. either way it will likely happen.

d_taddei2 wrote:Pouring concrete in wet, muddy, and freezing conditions is the worst possible environment to be doing such. And I am sure while trying to do so they will be attacked with drones and artillery which will slow things down even further. Ukraine won't last two years, if u see how much they have lost since the start of the conflict and that was while they had actual troops, equipment, and full NATO support. The casualties will be even higher soon with ill trained civilians, most of which are forced to fight adolescents, pensioners and the disabled. As for digging in it's pretty pointless Russia has massive volumes of artillery, drones, FAB, and TOS, which we have seen doing massive damage to Ukrainian lines. And bear in mind these Ukrainians aren't proper soldiers but forced, ill trained civilians as mentioned above, they will just surrender, refuse to fight, or kill themselves.

NATO countries are running out of ammo and equipment, and can't keep up with Ukrainian demand, then add to that countries who are tired or simply given up on supplying equipment. The last package was pretty pitiful. Winter conditions is only going to decrease morale and increase surrenders.

I really think Ukraine will collapse within months, that could be a military coup, or mass surrenders or refusal of troops to fight.. either way it will likely happen.

With all due respect, its wishful thinking

First off, those teraborona kept the 40km Russian column from taking Brovary, Irpen, and other such areas

In defense, untrained civilians can do a lot - if all they do is man a trench or a bunker

You don't have to train them for assault

And secondly, have you seen donetsk? What has TOS, FAB, and other weapons done to dislodge the defenders? Every meter is fought for in blood

Sure Russia can spend its manpower in grinding down places like Avdeevka, Toretsk, New York, Konstantinovka and so on, once they take Kramatorsk they will just have more fortifications to dismantle once Ukrainians dig the trench complex along Poltava-Pokrovsk

As for ammo, sure there's a shortage now, but in 2 years, USA, South Korea, and NATO will reach parity with Russia

It's a time equation , Russia can also increase production, but it will need it's own stocks of ammo

Maybe North Korea can step in to supplant ammo, but it will be tough without mobilizing additional resources to commit to production

The way I see it, Russia needs to end the war by 2025, or face a revamped NATO

The only way to do that, is to activate the Gaza option

This is what i advocated at the beginning, but many members said it was stupid, because Russia had to save the poor Ukrainians that are held against their will, yes poor Ukrainians, 1 million dead voluntarily

Given the realities, saving Ukraine is not an option, they will fight for every meter, so the only option is to destroy it all,

The choice to grind Ukraine makes sense if you can force surrender on your own terms

But if they survive until 2026, the questions gets thrown into the air

Israel showed how to enter a city like Gaza, they bombed corridors for their troops to enter, and then they slowly clear it out

Russia can launch multiple Gazas, and who gives a shit what international community thinks - it hasn't stopped Israel

@ark, you talk as if these civilians are robots. Civilians are NOT soldiers and sticking them in a uniform, armed with a gun and put into trench doesn't make them one either. If u have ever served in the army you will have seen many people go through training and not make it, I saw hundreds leave back in 1998, and this was just TRAINING not war, with war comes fear, especially when Ur forced to fight, whats more scary is when u know u haven't had good quality training either meaning your not trained to do the job and you don't feel confident in doing the job. Firing blindly over your head in trench isn't going to achieve anything other than waste precious ammo, now factor in watching the people next to get killed and wounded and the psychological effects of that on a civilian who's already got low morale, now add in the freezing weather, and suddenly u have a civvie wanting to give up. The hype of going to war, and protecting your country is over for Ukraine. Had this been the first few months of the war then many would think they are John Rambo and wanting to put their bodies on the line but things have changed, they know they are losing and losing a lot.

As for ammo yes there is little to no ammo. And yes maybe USA production might be at better levels in two years, but that doesn't mean Russia is going to stop and wait for that as if it's the play fair fight game. Ukraine can't wait two years, and Russia won't hang around waiting for it either. The west has exhausted armoured vehicle supplies, sending the odd piece now and then isn't going to work. Money is drying up for Ukraine as support dwindles as well. And who else will they have left in their ranks in two years? Ukraines population has declined through death or fleeing the country and the rest are wounded to the point of severe disablement. And I don't see more mercs joining. The fact that after this length of time during the the war they have had to rely on younger teenagers, pensioners, women, says it all. What option is left? raid kindergartens and mental asylums? They have literally no air force, zero navy, and an army that's running low on everything. Their economy is in tatters, their infrastructure in ruins, and political backstabbing, and a coke head in charge (for now) if you think that's a recipe for success or saviour for the next two years then you must be out of your mind.

As for Israel well Israel gets away with murder and faces zero sanctions for doing such scorched earth and genocide tactics while if Russia did it, well it be a different story just look at what BS stories, accusations, dramas, they have faked against them already. And to add the biggest sanctions package ever. We have already seen fairly decent amounts of surrenders so far, and they will increase as the war goes on. And it gets to a point it just completely folds. Ukrainians won't fight every meter if you seen what they have lost already there wouldn't be enough troops to cover lines falling back to central Ukraine

They say that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are thoroughly preparing for the final stage of the counter-offensive

Inflatable mock-ups of the M270 MLRS from the Lithuanian company Aviatema are already at the front.

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Poland transferred 18 Krab self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine

Another 56 are being prepared for transfer, PAP reported on Sunday.



The deep command post of the air defense control and warning center of the Air Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine “Vostok” in the Dnepropetrovsk area was hit

This was reported to the Russian Ministry of Defense. Also hit:

Fuel warehouses in the areas of Mirgorod, Poltava region and Khmelnitsky;

Arsenal of ammunition in the Nikolaev region;

Manpower and equipment in 107 districts.
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Russian Defence Ministry report on the PROGRESS of the special military operation (25 November – 2 December 2023)

In the period from 25 November to 2 December 2023, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation inflicted 27 group strikes with high-precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles on the military airfield infrastructure, arsenals, storage sites for artillery ammunition, weapons and military hardware, as well as enemy POL bases.

In addition, the AFU temporary deployment sites were struck. All the assigned targets have been engaged.

In Kupyansk direction, units of the Zapad Group of Forces have improved the situation along the front line near Sinkovka (Kharkov region) and repelled 18 AFU attacks.

Aviation and artillery inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, 57th Motorised Infantry Brigade, 14th, 43rd, 53rd, and 67th mechanised brigades near Sinkovka, Ivanovka, and Kislovka (Kharkov region).

The enemy losses amounted to more than 315 Ukrainian troops, two tanks, eight armoured fighting vehicles, 15 motor vehicles, and seven field artillery guns.

In Krasny Liman direction, units of the Tsentr Group of Forces supported by aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrower systems repelled 13 attacks launched by assault detachments of the AFU 12th Special Operations Brigade, 47th and 67th mechanised brigades.

In addition, strikes were delivered at manpower of the AFU 31st National Guard Brigade, 117th and 125th territorial defence brigades close to Torskoye, Krasny Liman, Serebryanka, and Grigorovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

The enemy losses amounted to up to 950 Ukrainian troops killed and wounded, seven armoured fighting vehicles, and 21 motor vehicles in this direction.

In Donetsk direction, units of the Yug Group of Forces supported by aviation and artillery continued to improve the tactical situation at the forward lines and liberated Artyomovskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

In addition, strikes were delivered at the AFU manpower and hardware near Maryinka, Kurdyumovka, and Kleshcheyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

Over the past week, 25 attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces were repelled.

The enemy losses amounted to more than 1680 Ukrainian troops, six tanks, six armoured fighting vehicles, 31 motor vehicles, and 19 field artillery guns.

In South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok Group of Forces repelled three enemy attacks.

Aviation and artillery inflicted losses on units of the AFU 58th Motorised Infantry Brigade, 72nd Mechanised Brigade, and 128th Territorial Defence Brigade close to Novomikhailovka, Staromayorskoye, Nikolskoye, Shevchenko, Konstantinovka, and Novodonetskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

The enemy losses amounted to more than 880 Ukrainian troops, one tank, six armoured fighting vehicles, 20 motor vehicles, and five field artillery guns.

In Zaporozhye direction, units of the Russian Group of Forces engaged in intensive defence, during which repelled 14 attacks of the AFU units near Rabotino and Verbovoye (Zaporozhye region).

Moreover, the Russian Armed Forces inflicted fire damage on manpower and hardware of the AFU 71st Jaeger Brigade, 82nd Assault Brigade, 33rd, 65th, and 118th mechanised brigades near Malaya Tokmachka and Novoandreyevka (Zaporozhye region).

The AFU losses amounted to more than 315 Ukrainian troops, five tanks, seven armoured fighting vehicles, 21 motor vehicles, as well as five field artillery guns.

In Kherson direction, the enemy units made unsuccessful attempts to land infantry groups on islands and the left bank of the Dnepr.

As a result of preventive actions by the Russian forces and artillery fire assaults, the AFU have lost up to 450 Ukrainian troops, 13 field artillery guns, 23 boats, and 26 motor vehicles. Two AFU sabotage and reconnaissance groups were eliminated.

In addition, units of the AFU 35th, 36th, and 37th marines brigades have been struck near Tyaginka, Tokarevka, and Sadovoye (Kherson region).

In addition, 14 Ukrainian servicemen were taken prisoner in this direction during the week.

Operational-Tactical and Missile Troops of the Russian Groups of Forces destroyed one fuel depot and the air park at the airfield near Mirgorod (Poltava region), as well as six P-18 radar stations.

Air defence systems shot down eight aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force during the week, namely, five MiG-29, two Su-27, one Su-25, as well as one Mi-8 helicopter.

Air defence units shot down 41 HIMARS and Uragan MLRS projectiles, three HARM anti-radiation missiles, and 188 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles.

In total, 545 airplanes and 256 helicopters, 9,353 unmanned aerial vehicles, 442 air defence missile systems, 13,743 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,187 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 7,215 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 15,844 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Russian Defence Ministry