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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:21 am

    The first captured M2A2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicle of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which was reliably evacuated to the rear by Russian soldiers. This infantry fighting vehicle was shot down in the northern outskirts of Avdeevka.

    source

    Nice. Once the boffins have had their fill, this nice little trophy will find its place in the SMO section at Kubinka. Looking forward to seeing it there Razz

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:57 am

    Taken a few key paragraphs from the article which quoted Russian sources.

    More Pion and Tulpan units coming to Ukraine.


    "Russian military forces are reportedly planning to station a total of five heavy artillery brigades. These brigades will be equipped with high-powered artillery guns, namely the 2S4 Tyulpan and 2S7 Pion. They will be integrated into army corps and combined arms, as per local news sources, both Ukrainian and Russian"

    "The Russian media reports indicate that the commencement of these plans is already underway, with the first of these brigades—the 17th—operational within the 3rd Army Corps. Their current activities are reportedly concentrated in the Zaporizhian area of Ukraine.

    As per speculations from various sources, specific roles will be assigned to these heavy artillery brigades. The 2S4 Tyulpan divisions are expected to launch assaults on Ukrainian troops’ defense structure. The 2S7 Pion divisions, on the other hand, are speculated to engage in counter-battery operations against Ukrainian 155-mm artillery. An advancement in warfare technology will be witnessed with the inclusion of drone units to augment precision in shooting."

    "Despite claims for over a year and a half that the army was running out of ammunition, no such thing has been observed. That is why we must actively monitor the fighting and not rely primarily on political statements.

    First, the Russian military-industrial complex is busy. Produces ammunition despite sanctions and restrictions. Second, according to foreign intelligence, Russia has stockpiled 4 million artillery ammunition. However, this figure is only from satellite observations of warehouses that are in the open. It is not clear how much ammunition is in the indoor storage. Third, North Korea will clearly become a “quiet” supplier of artillery ammunition. Foreign intelligence already says that the first 350,000 munitions from Pyongyang to Moscow have arrived."

    "Before the widespread incursion into Ukraine, the Russian military boasted just a single heavy artillery brigade – the 45th, based in the Western Military District. This brigade was directed by the Armed Forces Command and was exclusively equipped with 2S4 Tyulpan and 2S7 Pion self-propelled artillery. "

    "As per the military balance sheet of 2021, at this time, the Russian military had 40 pieces of 2S4 Tyulpan and 60 of 2S7 Pion [or 2S7M Malka] in their arsenal. It appears these specifically constituted the armament configuration for the 45th Heavy Artillery Brigade.

    Shifting the focus to the 2023 directory data, it shows the Russian army’s stockpile held up to 200 units of 2S7 Pion and a similar count of 2S4 Tyulpan. Even after accounting for possible attrition, this substantial quantity could potentially be seen as the basis for developing additional heavy artillery brigades by the Russians."

    https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/12/01/russia-deploys-460-pion-and-tyulpan-self-propelled-guns-in-ukraine/

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:08 am

    franco wrote:    

    Article a week ago from Ukrainian sources were complaining that the Russians were out producing them in Drones at least 6 to 1. Article also stated that Drones were being manufactured at 200+ locations in Ukraine.

    Chinse custom data suggest a tenfolds difference in importing drones and drone related technology to Russia vs. 404.
    Ukrovolksstuhrm is crying a river all TG wide and deep of how the evil Russkie are hunting them with drones while they don't have them to use the same way.
    Every single vid provided by the Russians clearly shows that targets are being observed by multiple flying platforms, and strikes are being recorded using a different angles and distances.
    Tons of vids showing the same target being hit multiple times by a different operators, only because they are sharing the hunting ground.
    Multiple proved vids, where multiple drones are being used to make a hit on a single strongpoint.
    And so on, and so on ...
    I don't know which ape you and Hole are answering to, but seeing idiocies like that one seriously considers how they can flush the toilet being an absolute no-brainers.

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    The logic of mockups doesn't quite have the same ring to it when a battlefield is full of FPV drones that cost a fraction of the mockup...

    Let NATO waste their time and money on useless junk. NATOstan lays plans to spend more resources than the Russians, yet we are supposed to think this a step towards a NATO "victory"?  Razz

    A very good point.
    Good quality mockup costs as much as a car, because those are not just inflatable toys.
    The good ones, are made of material that gives reflection unable to be distinguished from metal one, with a heating source.
    But even if we will consider a big size inflatable toys, we are talking about $1000+ price. A tent used as a field garage is $2k - I know that because I imported some a while ago.
    In western realies, we are talking about costing $10k + ...
    It will be not only defeated by a drone in $100 range, but first spotted by a high resolution cameras that can simple zoom good enough to optically determine if those are fake or not. To fool them, they will be forced to camouflage them on the same level as regular weapon systems, which is both costly and time consuming. I have a big doubts if you can add a steel cage over it, as there is no construction to support it. It means that the very first stage of visual identification would be checking if the system has cages, era bricks ets - if no, there is a big chance it is fake one.
    1999 was 25 years ago, you know ... Laughing

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:02 am

    By pledging neutrality, a wise leadership in Kyiv could have averted or halted a war that is devastating Ukraine. Heavy fatalities have raised the average age of a Ukrainian soldier to 43. Yet Zelensky is still not in favor of peace talks.

    A traitor leading a nation. Until Zelensky is assassinated this war will continue.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:35 am

    Sujoy wrote:By pledging neutrality, a wise leadership in Kyiv could have averted or halted a war that is devastating Ukraine. Heavy fatalities have raised the average age of a Ukrainian soldier to 43. Yet Zelensky is still not in favor of peace talks.

    A traitor leading a nation. Until Zelensky is assassinated this war will continue.

    It doesn't work that way. Zelensky (or whoever is in charge in Kiev) will do whatever his (pay)masters tell him to, even if it means turning 180. His life and his family wealth depends on it.

    He is a US puppet and, as a past actor, he is playing the role well.

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    Post  franco Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:16 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    franco wrote:    

    Article a week ago from Ukrainian sources were complaining that the Russians were out producing them in Drones at least 6 to 1. Article also stated that Drones were being manufactured at 200+ locations in Ukraine.

    Chinse custom data suggest a tenfolds difference in importing drones and drone related technology to Russia vs. 404.
    Ukrovolksstuhrm is crying a river all TG wide and deep of how the evil Russkie are hunting them with drones while they don't have them to use the same way.
    Every single vid provided by the Russians clearly shows that targets are being observed by multiple flying platforms, and strikes are being recorded using a different angles and distances.
    Tons of vids showing the same target being hit multiple times by a different operators, only because they are sharing the hunting ground.
    Multiple proved vids, where multiple drones are being used to make a hit on a single strongpoint.
    And so on, and so on ...
    I don't know which ape you and Hole are answering to, but seeing idiocies like that one seriously considers how they can flush the toilet being an absolute no-brainers.

    Sorry about that Embarassed Hole and I were just trying to help you out by feeding some of your zoo pets... with you being off busy organizing the border blockades and all... good job by the way russia
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:28 pm

    They need no feeding bro! They can eat their own shit. A close-to perpertum mobile cycle Laughing
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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:38 pm

    Inflatable mock-ups of the M270 MLRS
    At least they can cross rivers with that. lol1

    the Zaporizhian area of Ukraine
    No

    are speculated to engage in counter-battery operations against Ukrainian 155-mm artillery
    That´s the job of Lancet.

    oreign intelligence already says that the first 350,000 munitions from Pyongyang to Moscow have arrived."
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    Post  zare Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:29 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:There are enough videos showing Ukro drones hitting individual Russian servicemen as of today

    They can spare drones


    Back in Ottoman invasion of the Balkans, Croats were defending a town sieged and surrounded for weeks. With barely no ammo left and facing overwhelming odds, the captain decided they should start throwing their last chickens over the city walls.

    The Turks thought the town has plenty of food to spare. As they did not want to spend months in siege, they retreated.

    It's probably half-legendary but you should read into it.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:23 pm

    Account of the situation at Krynky by some happless hohol fool:

    "The entire river crossing is under constant fire. I've seen boats with my comrades on board just disappear into the water after being hit, lost forever to the Dnipro river.

    "We must carry everything with us - generators, fuel and food. When you're setting up a bridgehead you need a lot of everything, but supplies weren't planned for this area.

    "We thought after we made it there the enemy would flee and then we could calmly transport everything we needed, but it didn't turn out that way.

    "When we arrived on the [eastern] bank, the enemy were waiting. Russians we managed to capture said their forces were tipped off about our landing so when we got there, they knew exactly where to find us. They threw everything at us - artillery, mortars and flame thrower systems. I thought I'd never get out."



    they thought the enemy would flee... Shocked is it possible people are this stupid? You arrive with light infantry, they have tanks, arty, air power, mlrs. And you expect them to flee? I have no words.

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:29 pm

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-zelensky-petition-draft-lawmakers-dubinsky-1849142#:~:text=Ukrainian%20President%20Volodymyr%20Zelensky%20will,the%20required%20number%20of%20signatures.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:35 pm

    https://t.me/rybar/54711

    🇺🇦 Kherson direction: situation as of 16.00 December 4, 2023

    🔻In Krynki, the situation remains the same. Ukrainian formations continue to cling to a bridgehead in the populated area, trying to expand the zone of control deeper into the forest.

    ▪This night, two assault groups of the 1st battalion of the 38th Marine Marine Corps of the Ukrainian Navy took up positions south of the greenhouses adjacent to the plantings in the south of Krynok, which indicates a slight advance of the Marines to the south.

    ▪As a result of artillery fire and mortar fire from the Russian Armed Forces, the group was scattered and suffered losses. The wounded and dead were evacuated to the northern part of the village, from where they were transported to the right bank.

    ❗In general, the situation in the Kherson direction has not changed. Ukrainian marines are trying to move deeper, but without significant success. However, as the weather gets colder, the Dnieper bed will freeze, which will simplify the movement of walking groups across the river.

    Considering that the Katran strike group has a bridgehead (of some kind), larger attacks should be expected with the glaciation of the soil and water. Just at this moment, the transfer of units of the 37th Marine Brigade began to the left bank.

    Previously, the unit did not participate in battles on the left bank, and it is fully staffed. The introduction of the 37th brigade, on the one hand, indicates losses in other brigades, and on the other, an early activation of the front.

    What is curious: with the advent of 37 obrmp in the LBS, characteristic changes also appeared in the features of the use of the Bayraktar UAV. Within a few days, the drone takes off from the Kulbakino airfield, which has not been observed over the past year.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:50 pm

    How dare he hold up new vessels for the Ukrainian Navy. Laughing Laughing

    Polish politician Tomasz Buczyk, who organized the blockade of Ukraine, talks about yachts and boats disguised as humanitarian aid: What I am most interested in is why Ukraine needs expensive cars or expensive yachts?

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:12 pm

    Russian tabloid Life published an update on the purported defection of a Ukrainian Su-27:
    https://life.ru/p/1624301

    Says it was fitted with western weapons and radar gear. Still no visual evidence, just hearsay though.


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    Post  zare Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:44 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Russian tabloid Life published an update on the purported defection of a Ukrainian Su-27:
    https://life.ru/p/1624301

    Says it was fitted with western weapons and radar gear. Still no visual evidence, just hearsay though.

    That's probably weapons that don't need thorough avionics integration, and IFF.
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:58 pm

    I just find it mildly suspicious that not even one grainy image has been released (or leaked) to date, and it's been weeks.

    Russians happily leak their own "L's" but not a big "W" such as this? They suddenly got real serious about opsec?

    Dunno, just feels off to me but I'll be happy to be proven wrong in time.

    On another note, it's been rather interesting to observe the collective western meltdown over the past day and a half.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 04, 2023 9:51 pm

    It's longer than that😈👊

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    Post  VARGR198 Mon Dec 04, 2023 9:54 pm


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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:12 pm

    even in the event of direct NATO intervention to rescue their client state
    lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:13 pm

    ⚡Geraniums are flying to Odessa region

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:26 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    This would in theory, allow Russia to end the war before NATO can increase production

    I had heard those rumors, of nearly an entire army at Belgorod

    And those pics at the bottom with "b & c" tier equipment is from vostok 18

    That's actually not a bad scenario, even with T72b, Shilka, bmp1, they would roll over Ukraine

    The only challenge is gonna be maneuver against static Ukrainian lines

    Here is where Russian generals will have to prove they are better than NATO counterparts

    If they can break Ukraines defenses, it will go down in history as the best executed offensive in history of war

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:47 am

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    🇺🇦 Every Ukrainian has seven acquaintances or relatives who were wounded or killed in the Northern Military District zone - Mail on Sunday

    Based on these figures, it is easy to calculate and make sure that rumors about millions of losses in Ukraine in the name of Zelensky are far from fiction. 🇺🇦 🐷
    https://t.me/i20028843/164812

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:55 am

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    Russian losses are decreasing.

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    Post  nomadski Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:00 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:

    This would in theory, allow Russia to end the war before NATO can increase production

    I had heard those rumors, of nearly an entire army at Belgorod

    And those pics at the bottom with "b & c" tier equipment is from vostok 18

    That's actually not a bad scenario, even with T72b, Shilka, bmp1, they would roll over Ukraine

    The only challenge is gonna be maneuver against static Ukrainian lines

    Here is where Russian generals will have to prove they are better than NATO counterparts

    If they can break Ukraines defenses, it will go down in history as the best executed offensive in history of war


    Is this a map of WW2 ? They did not have Nukes back then . It was all about conventional warfare , wars of attrition . Are war planners stuck in WW2 ? The world has moved on since then . For one thing , Nuclear armed stated do not , have not , gone to war . Some European states are Nuclear armed or have American Nukes on soil . These are : UK , France , Germany , Holland ? , Italy , Turkey . The tendency now is to avoid direct military confrontations , and come to territorial compromises . Partitions . And it is now much more of a reality , the Ukrainians are not Russians , will not be Russians or friendly to Russia , especially after this war , costing " millions " of lives . And as a separate nation ( not part of " Slavic " brotherhood ) , they will form own alliances , now with NATO or EU . The SMO , if innocently optimistic at first and wrongly branded , should be regarded and be called a war . A line drawn in the sand . No more confusion or indecision .


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    Post  ALAMO Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:55 am

    JohninMK wrote:How dare he hold up new vessels for the Ukrainian Navy.  Laughing  Laughing

    The guy is an activist of the Confederation party, which is a wide conglomerate of libertines, far-right, populists, and freaks.
    The fact that they are the sole political structure in Poland even considering real Politik is objectively scary.
    But the case is right, but I guess some of you really can't imagine the scale. And I fully understand that, it is unimaginable for any reasonable human being never experiencing the Ukrs.
    We have faced a crazy scenario when the number of people left in the borders of 404 lowered drastically. And we are talking not a million, two or five decrease, but some 15 mln in a matter of months.
    Simultaneously, the west started to pump insane money inside, to fuel the war and functionally take responsibility for all the expenses.
    People who run away, at least part of them, started to work in the EU and sending money back to secure their relatives left.
    It was a giant cash flow showering the remaining <20mln of Ukro population, with close to 1mln by now in the ranks and another 1mln in different power structures.
    Both groups are being financed directly by the EU money Shocked
    Car import is not sanctioned with any taxation or custom duties, that is why a whole trains of cars, yachts and other luxuries are being imported at an insane rate. If we consider talking about a country that is banqrupted and wages a lost war - the thing turns to be some kind of madness.

    What is even more shocking, is how the money are being spent - because this gave us a clear hint about the whole construction and the hidden goals.
    Most of the assistance claimed by the US has never left it, as is being spent inside the US economy for weapon procurement and transfers.
    Even more ridiculous is a fact, that what is being pumped there, ends up ... in the US bonds Shocked Embarassed Laughing
    A bankrupted state is cited to double its US treasuries Laughing !!
    So at the end, what we have here is a fact where US slaves in EU are financing the existence of a failed state with their own money.
    Europe has no money. They can only emit more and more debt, which is what they are all doing.
    This freshly emitted debt ends up financing the US-based MIC, and ... the US debt Laughing Laughing Laughing
    A whole scenario is constructed on that.
    Breaking the neck of the EU as an independent economic.
    Cutting it's ties with Russia that gave the EU economy low resource base cost effect.
    Pushing them over the edge of a debt spirale.
    And finance own debt by sucking what is left of the used to be wealthy and fatty auntie Europa.

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