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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

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lancelot Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:42 am

JohninMK wrote:In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 550 aircraft, 257 helicopters, 9,588 unmanned aerial vehicles, 442 anti-aircraft missile systems, 13,924 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,188 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 7,284 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 16,096 units of special military vehicles.

I guess the Russian MoD isn't impervious to bullshit either. 550 aircraft. There weren't that many Soviet built aircraft operating in Europe to begin with. Not to mention 13,924 tanks... There aren't that many operating in Europe to begin with either.

Are these people counting every single attempted strike at a vehicle as its destruction or what.

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d_taddei2 Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:51 am

A few interesting points made in this such as Ukraine needs another 2,000 drone engineers to catch up with Russia.

Ukraine produces 50,000 FPV drones per month, Russia 300,000

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/11/30/ukraine-produces-50000-fpv-drones-per-month-russia-300000/

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ucmvulcan Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:18 am

JohninMK wrote:WTF was this?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1733179486336606674

Could be anything. Sorry, nothing against you, by and large I enjoy reading your postings, but I don't take the word of anyone on twitter who tells us they know something is Russian. . . . Ukraine and the NAFO mutts love saying every explosion anywhere is something Russian going up in smoke. Sure, sometimes it is. However, sometimes its the Russian leopard 2 going up in smoke, you remember the vid don't you where they used Russian drone footage and said it was Ukrainian. Yeah, after Snake Island, Ghost of Chicken Kiev, grandma taking out guided missiles with cans of preserves, the offensive is succeeding, Russia is out of rockets, tanks, men, this or that 50 year old rusting hulk from a scrapyard is a gamechanger etc I automatically ask can we even indpendently verify that this happened anywhere near the front?

IF it did, when did it happen? Th video could say today, but was it? Where was it? Whose was it? Has anyone with credibilty said it was Russian or was it some guy with a twitter feed? ITs like the rail tunnel the Ukes claimed last week. I haven't seen anything of that outside one or two twitter accounts and on here.

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lancelot wrote:
I guess the Russian MoD isn't impervious to bullshit either. 550 aircraft. There weren't that many Soviet built aircraft operating in Europe to begin with. Not to mention 13,924 tanks... There aren't that many operating in Europe to begin with either.
Are these people counting every single attempted strike at a vehicle as its destruction or what.

You have an issue with two things.
The first is reading the numbers, while the second in understanding the scale of this war.
14k is not "tanks", but tanks and other armored units, including SPG, armored cars, MRAPs etc.
Ukraine used to have close to 3000 tanks left after the dissolution of the SU, with almost 1000 of those fielded a day before 240222.
The number of BMPs of a different type was around 6000 pcs.
They have been left with 280 MiG-29, 100 Su-27, 100+ Su-25 and around 150 Su-24.
Now, do the math.
Only Poland supplied them with more than 320 tanks.
I know mechanized brigades where companies are left with 1 (ONE) operational BMP, as all the others are gone for 404.
We used to have more than 540 2S1 122 mm howitzers, and some 110+ 152mm Danas.
It is already official that we have supplied khokhols with more than a half out of 80 existing 155mm Krabs.
How do you think, we supplied them with our best and most modern howitzers because of having so many of them to share, or because we don't have anything old left?
HSW can produce about 30 pcs a year - that is why emergency purchases have been made in Korea for K9.
We used to have 40 MiG-29s. Now, it is a publicly known secret that only a few are left, to pretend that those still exist. While people know where to find them - scattered over Ukro wastelands.
There are no more Mi-17 left.
The very same rampage was ongoing in Czech, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Romania - if you combine them, the numbers can be even higher.
They get Bulgarian and Macedonian Su-25, and probably some Czech and Slovak, too.
Slovak MiG-29s has been delivered even as the fact ended the existence of Slovakian airforces.
US had some 30+ planes, too ...
Now, does the numbers provided by Russkie sound more reasonable to you?

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This is the level of delusion that exists in the White House

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"We want Russia to be faced with a decision by the end of 2024: either they have to sit down at the negotiating table on terms acceptable to Ukraine which means sovereignty and territorial integrity for all of Ukraine, or they will face a stronger Ukraine, which is backed by defense industrial base of the US and Europe. For Russia this will be a difficult strategic choice."

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JohninMK Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:57 am

The hidden Ukrainian 'plague'.

“Dangerous bacteria resistant to antimicrobial drugs are increasingly spreading throughout Ukraine”: American media are now reporting that Ukrainians themselves are dangerous to the civilized world.

“Ukrainian refugees and military personnel sent for treatment are bringing antibiotic-resistant infections to Europe. The combination of high pre-war rates of antimicrobial resistance, an increase in the prevalence of traumatic injuries, and war-related strain on healthcare facilities in Ukraine is leading to an increase in the detection of multidrug-resistant organisms entering Europe.
Antimicrobial resistance in bacteria causes more deaths worldwide than HIV and malaria."

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ucmvulcan wrote:

JohninMK wrote:WTF was this?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1733179486336606674

Could be anything. Sorry, nothing against you, by and large I enjoy reading your postings, but I don't take the word of anyone on twitter who tells us they know something is Russian. . . . Ukraine and the NAFO mutts love saying every explosion anywhere is something Russian going up in smoke. Sure, sometimes it is. However, sometimes its the Russian leopard 2 going up in smoke, you remember the vid don't you where they used Russian drone footage and said it was Ukrainian. Yeah, after Snake Island, Ghost of Chicken Kiev, grandma taking out guided missiles with cans of preserves, the offensive is succeeding, Russia is out of rockets, tanks, men, this or that 50 year old rusting hulk from a scrapyard is a gamechanger etc I automatically ask can we even indpendently verify that this happened anywhere near the front?

IF it did, when did it happen? Th video could say today, but was it? Where was it? Whose was it? Has anyone with credibilty said it was Russian or was it some guy with a twitter feed? ITs like the rail tunnel the Ukes claimed last week. I haven't seen anything of that outside one or two twitter accounts and on here.

Check out the Russian Railway thread. The saboteur was caught a few days back. One of the Belorussian maidan crowd apparently.

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[quote="franco"][quote="ucmvulcan"]

JohninMK wrote:WTF was this?

It has been already geolocated.
Somewhere here :
47.432004, 35.838030
As usually - it turned to be khokhol propaganda.
It was their fortified position at the southern outskirts of Robotino that was hit, by a remote steering vehicle filled with explosives.

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JohninMK Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:33 pm

Thanks Alamo, I knew someone here would know. Interesting explosion structure. Perhaps it should have hone a bit further towards the tree line.

Meanwhile, never ones to be left behind Smile

Hungarian truckers join their Polish and Slovak colleagues and also begin blockade of the border with Ukraine

The specialized association MKFE will close the Zahony-Chop checkpoint.

Hungarians demand the immediate abolition of all new EU benefits for Ukrainian transport companies.

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They are loading the truck on trains now, to push them through railroad border checkpoints.

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Russian gains around Avdeevka. russia

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Anyone else think that Avdiivka will be a cauldron by Christmas, maybe even for the Western date?

Very bad morale wise for those in Kiev if it happens.

Would it generate a bad response from the US?

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With its new motor the Geranium will be changing from a Honda 50 into a Ducati 900 Very Happy

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Soldiers of the Russian Army began to cover their trenches from the visibility of Ukrainian FPVs and drone bombers.

Innovations visually hide the movement of soldiers along trenches from above, thereby preventing targeted strikes. - FRWL reports

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ucmvulcan Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:58 pm

Check out the Russian Railway thread. The saboteur was caught a few days back. One of the Belorussian maidan crowd apparently.

Thanks for the info. From what I gather the "decisive Ukrainian action" got a couple trains on a secondary line that was up and running again in a few hours, so really an act of terror that didn't do much and didn't change anything at all. Only question left is will there be a commemorative postage stamp to celebrate the latest overwhelming victory.

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ucmvulcan Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:01 pm

JohninMK wrote:Anyone else think that Avdiivka will be a cauldron by Christmas, maybe even for the Western date?

Very bad morale wise for those in Kiev if it happens.

Would it generate a bad response from the US?

No, but in the Church of the Godforsaken Genderbenders, the plate will be passed around a third time after the reading of the Gospel according to Oprah as Americans will be told another 50 Billion dollars now or Putin will have a base on the moon to fire freedumb hating lazer beams at Kiev, and will flood the Dniepr with mutated sea bass who I am told are mean.

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Ukrainians have compiled an infographic of the routes of Russian "Geraniums" from September 3 to November 6

The most popular direction turned out to be to the Khmelnitsky region - to the Starokonstantinov airfield and the 47th arsenal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces located south of Khmelnitsky with storage sites in Tsvetokha and Shepetivka.

Attacks on the Starokonstantinov airfield are carried out literally every night, writes @bmpd_cast. The 7th Aviation Brigade of the Ukrainian Air Force is based there with Su-24M/MR aircraft that carry Storm Shadow / Scalp-EG cruise missiles.

@ukr_leaks_eng

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ALAMO wrote:They are loading the truck on trains now, to push them through railroad border checkpoints.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1733855051259531672

https://twitter.com/i/status/1733914250660196738

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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/78462

Alexander Karchenko:

The battles near Kremennaya (in terms of the intensity of passions) are not much different from the Great Patriotic War. The same infantry in the trenches, daily attacks turning into hand-to-hand combat and tanks crushing the enemy with their tracks.

Of course, the sky is now swarming with drones. Drones fly at any time and in any weather. Going to the front line now turns into an extremely dangerous quest. We leave the transport several kilometers away, and then carefully make our way along inconspicuous paths. As soon as a “bird” appears in the sky, we immediately hide. As a result, it can take several hours to walk a couple of kilometers.

The huge number of drones has significantly complicated the rotation and delivery of everything necessary to the front line. Some experts even rushed to call the current situation a positional deadlock. They say that there are so many weapons of destruction now that the parties simply cannot move forward.

But that's not true. Recently, near Kremennaya, ours were able to advance 1.5 km. So far, neither side has gained total superiority over the enemy in UAVs. And that means it's hard on both sides of the front. It is difficult for attackers to concentrate forces for an attack, but defenders cannot bring up reserves in time.

No matter how strange it may sound, the development of means of destruction only reduces losses. Because of drones, the number of fighters in the trenches is becoming smaller. If earlier the opornik was held by 30 people, now 10 soldiers are already considered a large number. 30-50 people go for the assault. A successful reset can decide the outcome of the battle. One FOG can disable 3-4 defenders and others will simply run away.

Yes, it’s hard at the front now. But we are gradually moving forward. In a few months we may gain superiority in UAVs and the enemy will flee. You need to go to the goal with clenched teeth, and not give up everything halfway because of the appearance of a new type of weapon at the front.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/78463

The number of published episodes of the use of FPV drones in the SMO zone has exceeded 2,500!

According to statistics from the LostArmour resource, as of the morning of December 10, 2023, at least 2,508 episodes of the use of FPV drones in the SMO zone were published, with almost 4/5 of the total (1,931 episodes) published over the past four months. November set a new monthly record with 657 episodes published.

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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/78451

The Russian defense industry is gaining momentum, the work is getting smarter and smarter, Putin said

“They [Ukraine] do not have their own base. When there is no own base of ideology, industry and money, then there is no future. And we have it,” said the President of the Russian Federation in an interview with Pavel Zarubin about the actions of the armed forces during the Northern Military District and about the work of the defense industry.

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Hole Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:53 pm

Innovations visually hide the movement of soldiers

Russia has the means to do this. Ukrops?

Would it generate a bad response from the US?

we may gain superiority in UAVs

LostArmour

I hope this is a joke.

the use of FPV drones in the SMO zone were published

The russian side is publishing 5% of her actions. Maximum.

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JohninMK wrote:The hidden Ukrainian 'plague'.

“Dangerous mind-virus resistant to antipsychotic drugs are increasingly spreading throughout Ukraine”: American media are now reporting that Ukrainians themselves are dangerous to the civilized world.

Its called Banderite ideology. Once infected, the only cure is to be composted in a snow-filled trench. Lucky Russia has prior experience in eradicating such malignant ideologies Twisted Evil

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Big_Gazza wrote:

JohninMK wrote:The hidden Ukrainian 'plague'.

“Dangerous mind-virus resistant to antipsychotic drugs are increasingly spreading throughout Ukraine”: American media are now reporting that Ukrainians themselves are dangerous to the civilized world.

Its called Banderite ideology. Once infected, the only cure is to be composted in a snow-filled trench. Lucky Russia has prior experience in eradicating such malignant ideologies

Had to turn off a pretty good American football game because they kept advertising that in the propaganda program airing after the game they'd be interviewing the "Ukrainian resistance." Sorry, I can't stand our corporate state controlled press

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That's why we have the mute button... to save the good games. Be grateful you are not in Canada and get ads for the Drag Queen show every half hour. Then you need both the mute and the guide buttons to protect both eyes and ears.

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At night, the Russian Armed Forces launched missile strikes on Kiev. Preliminary, the hypersonic Kinzhals (“Daggers”) were used: the air raid alarm went off after the strikes. The enemy reports 8 missiles.

The Geranium UAV hit a logistics hub in Snigirevka, Nikolaev region (as part of the Kherson region of Russia as a result of the referendum), and reported an explosion in the Kirovograd region. In the Odessa region, the enemy also recorded our drones.

In Krynki, Kherson region, fighting continues on our shore. The futility of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ actions in this direction is already being discussed in the Ukrainian press; enemy journalists cite the incompetent expenditure of the enemy’s marines as arguments. However, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are actively using drones and firing at our positions from their bank of the Dnieper.

On the Zaporozhye front, our airborne units were sent in small groups to occupy enemy positions in the Verbovoye area, but in the conditions of the enemy FPV drones being used actively they were unable to do this. The need to equip each vehicle at the front line with mobile electronic warfare systems becomes obvious: enemy drones seriously hamper the maneuver of our troops along the entire front line. During the day, near Rabotino and Verbovoye, the enemy also tried to advance with assault groups; the attacks were repelled by small arms and artillery fire.

In Maryinka, our troops advanced even further, marking their tactical success by planting a flag. The enemy is still on the outskirts of the city, units of the Russian army are also advancing north of the Maryinsky reservoir.

In the Avdeevka direction they report the capture of the enemy’s forward position in the Vinogradniki area near the industrial zone in the south. The Russian Armed Forces are conducting active operations near Novokalinovo in the north, fighting continues in the Stepovoye area and near the coke fuel plant.

From the Artemovsk (Bakhmut) direction they report that the Russian Armed Forces are operating on the outskirts of Bogdanovka (1.5 km from the Berkhovsky reservoir). North-west of Chasov Yar, our units are advancing at Grigorovka. North of Kleshcheevka, the Russian army is expanding the front’s ledge, and battles are taking place for strongholds.

In the Kupyansk direction, the intensity of hostilities decreased due to weather conditions.

The Belgorod region is again under fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine; local authorities yesterday calculated that over the day before last, more than 10 villages and two border service facilities (actually non-functional checkpoints) were shelled. In the Kursk region, shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces disrupted the power supply in the village of Tetkino and the village of Popovo-Lezhachi, Glushkovsky district. In the DPR, Donetsk and Staromikhailovka were shelled, there were no casualties.

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General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported on the Russian offensive along the entire front, 12.11.2023.

The commander of the Ukrainian ground forces, Syrsky, announced the offensive of Russian forces along the entire front.

The Russian army does not stop conducting offensive operations along the entire front, said the commander of the ground forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, General Alexander Syrsky.

Syrsky stated that, together with the Ukrainian commanders who lead the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the eastern direction, he conducted a thorough analysis of the situation, Rossiyskaya Gazeta writes .

Let us recall that the advance of Russian troops in several areas began to change the configuration of the line of combat contact; in some areas the Ukrainian Armed Forces are unable to hold stable positions.

https://vz.ru/news/2023/12/11/1243672.html

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Dr.Snufflebug Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:33 pm

Rumor in pro-UA circles now has it that they're about to execute a wide retreat, from the Bakhmut axis, from Avdiivka, from Mariinka and probably giving up on the so-called "bridgehead" in Krynki (which has just been a shooting gallery for the Russians, anyway).

Remains to be seen what will happen to the Kupyansk axis, as well as Rabotino and Ugledar.

Anyway, can't verify anything, but the pro-UA crowds are seriously dooming right now, so there seems to be something going on at least.

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