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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:59 pm

    They can't hold it anyway. If they don't retreat now, they won't be able to get away anyway because of drones and no protection from the air and everything will collapse.
    The front will collapse on them one way or another. It's just a matter of time. But no more a year, no more a month. It's a matter of days.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:05 pm

    And if you want something that will make u laugh here it is. I guess he wants another yacht, mansion and his coke supplies are running low. lol! lol! lol!

    Ukraine war: Zelensky heads to US in bid to rescue $60bn military aid

    Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky is going to Washington DC to try to rescue a threatened US defence package to Kyiv worth billions of dollars.

    The aid has become embroiled in US domestic, partisan politics.

    It will be Mr Zelensky's third visit to the US since Russia's February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

    The week is a crucial one for Ukraine, with the European Union also deciding whether to open formal talks on its accession to the bloc.

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has signalled that he opposes the move, and has the power to block such a decision.

    Mr Orban and Mr Zelensky had an apparently intense conversation when they met on Sunday at the inauguration of Argentina's new president. The details of their discussion have not been revealed


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67680337

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:22 pm

    There is another aspect of this.
    Germany already admitted, that there is no way they can supply 404 with the desired 1 mln artillery rounds next year. Best case scenario, they can provide maybe 200k.
    Germany was the mainstay of a whole EU declaration of 3 mln rounds. Even if we combine the output of Poland, Bulgaria, Czech and Romania - the truth is that EU will be able to make a doubtfully half a mln pieces.
    And that is the only part that matters here.
    Europe will struggle to rearm itself, not to mention to supply Ukrs.
    This game is over.
    Russian casualty ratio speaks for itself.

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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:27 pm

    Mercouris stated that according to one of his sources the american shell production is lover than they claim.
    What a surprise. Shocked

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:07 pm

    Every single shell made by the wetern MIC costs times more than Russkie ...
    And is being made with materials that need to be imported.
    12th sanction package is being blocked by both Slovakia and Czech, where the most funny is Czech. They demand to exclude Russian steel products from the list ... because those are vital for the Czech automotive industry.
    Which is VAG group Laughing
    The last time I have checked, Poland owned the biggest production cam for explosives .. in whole of EU Laughing

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    Post  Kiko Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:20 pm

    Military correspondent Borzenko: The Russian Armed Forces surrounded Avdeevka while the Armed Forces of Ukraine took care of the shells, 12.11.2023.

    While the Russian military was gradually surrounding Avdiivka, Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters had to strengthen their defenses and conserve ammunition. Military journalist Alexey Borzenko spoke about this.

    “Soon it will all be over, and Russian troops will finally take Avdiivka. There is currently a shortage of ammunition in the ranks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. They are already firing at our positions from howitzers with less intensity. <…> There are still some stocks in Ukrainian warehouses. But of course there are no such arrivals of 155-mm shells that were in May of this year,” noted Alexey Borzenko in an interview with TV channel “360”.

    At the end of November, Russian troops liberated the industrial zone in the east of Avdievka and continued their offensive deeper into the city. Kyiv admitted that the situation at the front is difficult for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, RT reports. Ukrainian soldiers complained that they could not fight due to heavy firefrom the Russian Armed Forces. The liberation of Avdievka will allow access to a short route from the southern part of the DPR to the northern.

    https://ura.news/news/1052712188

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:54 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Every single shell made by the wetern MIC costs times more than Russkie ...
    And is being made with materials that need to be imported.
    12th sanction package is being blocked by both Slovakia and Czech, where the most funny is Czech. They demand to exclude Russian steel products from the list ... because those are vital for the Czech automotive industry.
    Which is VAG group Laughing
    The last time I have checked, Poland owned the biggest production cam for explosives .. in whole of EU Laughing

    It is worse than that. The US shell plants use ancient equipment. Russian plants are more advanced.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:14 pm

    Zelensky goes to meet Joe Biden - details

    As the war in the east heats up, and Israel restarts the operation in Gaza

    The president of Ukraine, Zelensky has finished a visit to Buenos Aires to seek support from Milei, and also to confront Orban on the need to fund Ukraine

    After this the Ukrainian president is on his way to DC to speak with Joe Biden, himself embroiled in a major scandal

    Zelensky has left Ukraine, and in his stead Zaluzhny is pulling the troops from the Bakhmut line, and a full scale withdrawal is commencing to Chasov Yar

    But why are Zelenskys competitors so confident that the green clad actor will be unsuccessful to convince Joe Biden to give him aid by any means?

    So much so, they feel they can withdraw from the fighting without his approval?

    Well Joe Bidens son, was recently charged with tax evasion, but the issue which looks to destroy the reputation and political career of Joe Biden, is the blackmail by Hunter Biden, to a Chinese fund manager - Henry Zhao, manager of Harvest Capital.

    It seems Hunter Biden threatened his Chinese partners, to pay his law firm Owasco LLP, or he would have to get the "big guy" involved.  

    Well it gets worse for the big guy, as Hunters law firm Owasco made payments directly to Joe Biden himself, evidenced by the House Oversight Committees subpoenas of Owascos ACH clearance records

    This proves that Joe Biden was involved in influence peddling, a quid pro quo, which is what Donald J. Trump, the embattled former president was accused of with Zelensky himself , to get dirt on Joseph Robinette, when Trump demanded the Prosecutor general Shokhin to release documents on the activities of Biden and Burisma in Kiev

    Well it seems all things which go up must come down, and Joe Biden is now openly exposed as a corrupted leader, who used his influence to extract pay to play payments from his Chinese friends.

    This means Joe Biden has no room for maneuver on Ukraine, and is facing himself a litany of charges to come later on down the line

    One thing is for sure, both US parties are facing a winner take all election, with the losers to face certain prison time.

    It lends increasing corroboration to claims that a civil war could break out , if either side refuses to concede defeat

    Zelensky is the last thing on Bidens mind, now that the pay to play payments are made openly

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    It seems Zaluzhny will take advantage of the explosive developments to withdraw to the next defense line

    While Zelensky looks to return empty handed, and himself exposed before his competitors as a lame duck

    Of course, these developments are only starting, and now the leader of the west, has to protect his own neck, as the curtain begins to close on the democratic president

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:They are loading the truck on trains now, to push them through railroad border checkpoints.






    That is not the whole story.

    Polish trucks are also blocked by the Ukrainians, but while the Ukrainians block all Polish trucks, the Poles are letting in two Ukrainian trucks per hour.

    Also, unlike the Ukrainians, the Poles do not block any passenger cars.


    The railway transportation can also be blocked.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:06 pm

    Russian TG channel RVvoenkor reports:

    The Russian Army defeated the best Nazi brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: the 3rd Oshbr created from "Azov" was withdrawn from near Artyomovsk for restoration

    ▪After many months of grueling battles near Bakhmut, the 3rd separate assault brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was withdrawn from the front to the rear for restoration, the press service of the Nazi unit reports.
    ▪ “After almost a year of heavy fighting near Bakhmut in early December, the 3rd Brigade left the grueling front sector for restoration to become the most technologically advanced unit in Ukraine,” they said.
    ▪After heavy losses, the brigade is being supplemented with personnel.
    ▪3rd OShBr - a unit formed by Azov veterans. Its commander is the founder of Azov and the leader of the National Corps party, Andrei Biletsky. From the beginning of 2023, the brigade fought near Artyomovsk (Bakhmut).
    ▪For several weeks now, the Russian army has been conducting a counter-offensive on the flanks of Artyomovsk, advancing and pushing back the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:24 pm

    kvs wrote:
    It is worse than that.   The US shell plants use ancient equipment.   Russian plants are more advanced.  
    Funny thing is if you look at Russian plants the machines there are a who's who of the best machine tool companies. American, European, and East Asian companies - its almost as if there's no sanctions at all Razz

    Really brings to mind that Lenin quote regarding ropes and capitalists.

    They can't even think about cutting off the Russians as the Russians simply make up a huge chunk of the business of these companies. Oops.

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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:41 pm

    where the most funny is Czech.
    While their President is talking about open war with Russia. Rolling Eyes

    become the most technologically advanced unit in Ukraine
    lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Russians in the SMO:
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    Must be some weeks ago, no snow.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:41 am

    i was not sure if i got it done this year, but a few sacrifices left and right and i managed to build an compilation for the end of 2023.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:13 am

    Hole wrote:
    become the most technologically advanced unit in Ukraine
    lol1 lol1 lol1
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    That must have been the export version for hot climates, this is the Ukrainian production version. Note only one horse, they ate the other one.

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    Post  franco Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:39 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:i was not sure if i got it done this year, but a few sacrifices left and right and i managed to build an compilation for the end of 2023.


    Not sure if there is problem with my streaming or on your side.

    EDIT: 3rd time the charm... excellent work. Thanks thumbsup

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:40 am

    Hole wrote:
    While their President is talking about open war with Russia. Rolling Eyes

    Remember that he is an ex general.
    Having a brain is non obligatory for the case Laughing

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:41 am

    So while zelensky has flown to USA to tongue Biden's wrinkly marmite pipe and beg for money for coke, yachts, mansions, etc..... oops I mean money for weapons, ammo, etc lol! while back in Ukraine his generals are withdrawing everyone from the front and scrambling for ammo. I swear one day zelensky will say he's going on another trip to get funds and when there will go into exile and leave Ukraine to deal with it's mess. He already has a mansion in Miami so USA will most likely be the country of exile and he will forever be a bootlick to the democrats or maybe Ukrainian foreign intelligence services eventually catch up with him in exile and take the parasite out. Who knows but what is certain he won't hang around in Ukraine.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:01 am

    There are rumors that in Switzerland the conflict is to be frozen by "peace talks". Of course, the US now wants its military power in the Middle East and Asia, otherwise everything will fly around their ears. Exactly this move was to be expected. But this only leads to the fact that the young Ukrainians aged 12 to 25, the most fascist indoctrinated people will come back in 10 years. Exactly those who are not currently drafted into the military. But then come back with new, better, and also numerous weapons.
    In no case should this happen!

    Create facts on the ground otherwise the fascists will come back and all the sacrifices were in vain.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:14 am

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:There are rumors that in Switzerland the conflict is to be frozen by "peace talks". Of course, the US now wants its military power in the Middle East and Asia, otherwise everything will fly around their ears. Exactly this move was to be expected. But this only leads to the fact that the young Ukrainians aged 12 to 25, the most fascist indoctrinated people will come back in 10 years. Exactly those who are not currently drafted into the military. But then come back with new, better, and also numerous weapons.
    In no case should this happen!

    Create facts on the ground otherwise the fascists will come back and all the sacrifices were in vain.

    Putin is standing in an election in March. I suspect that peace is the last thing on the average Russians mind. Can you see him agreeing to anything that might adversely affect the voting?

    This is just more delusional Western thinking, still in the 90's when Russia did what it was told.

    More Western delusion

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    🇺🇸🇺🇦 The United States offers Ukraine to retain existing territories in order to begin negotiations with the Russian Federation in 2024

    ❗ Details of the new strategy for the Kyiv regime from an article by The New York Times:

    ▪The US military believes that Ukraine has “created a sufficiently credible threat for Russia to consider participating in serious negotiations late next year or in 2025.”

    ▪They also believe that Ukraine does not need to return 20% of the liberated territories

    ▪The new strategy consists of “symbolic victories” in the form of strikes on Crimea and the territory of the Russian Federation, the development of Ukrainian military production and strengthening of defense

    ▪Kiev, naturally, has other plans. The Ukrainians want to go on the attack either on the ground or with long-range strikes, attracting the attention of the whole world.

    ▪An American 3* general Lieutenant General Antonio Aguto will come to Kyiv “for a long time” to coordinate the final strategy with war games in January in Wiesbaden. - Ostashko reports


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    Post  Hole Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:34 am

    this is the Ukrainian production version.
    They charged the Americans with 5 Million for the carriage and another million for the horse. lol1

    This is just more delusional Western thinking
    Listen to what is coming out of the Russian government and the inner circle in the last weeks.
    I seems the devision to get rid of "Ukraine" has been taken a while ago.
    The only thing freezing in this conflict are western politicians - of fear!

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:35 am

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:43 am

    JohninMK wrote:

    Comments are intersting.
    The vid on the left, soldiers are commenting that this cannonade is noisless. They don't hear explosions.
    The one on the right, soldier comments "it is some secret weapon! You can pray, khokhols!".
    I guess it is just an incendiary ammunition salvo, honestly ... but those soldiers are experienced, and should have witnessed such multiple times. Yet they are surprised ...

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:54 pm

    Had to turn off a pretty good American football game because they kept advertising that in the propaganda program airing after the game they'd be interviewing the "Ukrainian resistance." Sorry, I can't stand our corporate state controlled press

    Yeah, give it 10 years... the Afghans were heros standing up to the evil Soviet empire, which was a real shift because most western publications weren't very nice to the Afghans before 1979 because they had given the Brits a hiding on several occasions by not playing fair... by the 1990s the west could not understand the infighting, but of course the 00s when they became the bad guys again fighting a different white colonial empire...

    But no more a year, no more a month. It's a matter of days.

    Never a good idea to have an expected time scale.... it will take as long as it takes.

    Ukraine war: Zelensky heads to US in bid to rescue $60bn military aid

    Or is he sensing a military collapse across the front line and wants to be in the west when it happens?


    Mr Orban and Mr Zelensky had an apparently intense conversation when they met on Sunday at the inauguration of Argentina's new president. The details of their discussion have not been revealed

    It is not rocket science... Zelensky will say his country is all that is holding back the Russian hoard that will invade and destroy Europe, and Orban will be saying bullshit, you just want to line your own pockets with enough money so you can go anywhere you please when the Russians win.

    Mercouris stated that according to one of his sources the american shell production is lover than they claim.
    What a surprise.

    Americans not being able to deliver on what they promised... could never happen... ever.

    They can't even think about cutting off the Russians as the Russians simply make up a huge chunk of the business of these companies. Oops.

    The irony is that a new company tooling up in the west might actually consider buying Russian machines because they have many of the features of western systems for a fraction of the price.

    Now those Russian companies will have to start buying Russian machines too.

    Putin is standing in an election in March. I suspect that peace is the last thing on the average Russians mind. Can you see him agreeing to anything that might adversely affect the voting?

    He knows exactly what he is doing and he wouldn't go against his own principles just to get reelected. The fact is that he knows this has to be finished properly or it will just repeat and become even worse. Getting a bad peace now might stop Russian soldiers dying now but in 5 years or 10 years when it starts up again it just means even more Russians are going to die because there was no stomach to get it done right now.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:06 pm

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    So the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to transport their troops across the Dnieper in order to take a bridgehead on the left bank in the Krynka area, Kherson direction. They are destroyed every day. Tomorrow they are sending boats with people again. To certain death.
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1734558143537918056

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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:11 pm

    Putin is still young enough to be a leader. He is not like dementia Joe. As for replacing a leader with term limits, that is some US BS.
    There are no term limits in the UK and Kanada. The only downside is if there is a lack of good replacement rising in the wings. But
    this involves suppression of alternatives and Putin is not suppressing alternatives. BTW Merkel was acting to suppress alternatives.
    Zyuganov in the Russian Communist Party did the same thing. The result has been bad in both cases.

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