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Even Ukrainian Volunteers are Deserting and Fleeing Abroad.
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51
Odin of Ossetia- Posts : 935
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51
Odin of Ossetia Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:45 pm
Even Ukrainian Volunteers are Deserting and Fleeing Abroad.
https://www.rt.com/russia/589593-ukraine-volunteers-flee-mobilization/
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Christoforou talked about the "Putin wants ceasefire" article in some western satirical paper.
Sources: Unnamend former Kremlin officials. Unnamed american and international officials.
Freud called it "projection".
By the way... Happy Christmas to all you Motherlovers.
Sources: Unnamend former Kremlin officials. Unnamed american and international officials.
Freud called it "projection".
By the way... Happy Christmas to all you Motherlovers.
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Friendly fire loss of a single Su-34 looks like the most plausible story. If these Patriot systems were so great, we would have seen many
more shoot downs and the wanking from the Kiev regime and its NATzO owners would be endless.
The Kiev regime has expended a lot of Patriot missiles to the point that Uncle Swineshit is now shaking down Japan for its stocks. So
Russia has plenty of chances to profile such missiles and develop counter-measures for them. Just as it has done with every other
missile system supplied to the Ukrs.
more shoot downs and the wanking from the Kiev regime and its NATzO owners would be endless.
The Kiev regime has expended a lot of Patriot missiles to the point that Uncle Swineshit is now shaking down Japan for its stocks. So
Russia has plenty of chances to profile such missiles and develop counter-measures for them. Just as it has done with every other
missile system supplied to the Ukrs.
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Ukrainian BMW Grad.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51
SeigSoloyvov Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:22 pm
Odin of Ossetia wrote:
Even Ukrainian Volunteers are Deserting and Fleeing Abroad.
https://www.rt.com/russia/589593-ukraine-volunteers-flee-mobilization/
Well there is one smaaaaaaal problem with forcing people to fight, they rather flee or surrender then die.
Ukraine is currently mass forcing people into the fight, how many of those will just drop their guns and surrender? a good amount I am sure. Better to surrender then die if you have no desire to fight this war
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Russian Air defense systems shot down four Ukrainian aircraft : three Su-27 and one Su-24 of the Ukrainian Air Force in the areas of Shirokoe, Odarovka, Zaporozhye region and Grigorovka, Dnepropetrovsk region, the Ministry of Defense reports.
It is significant, by the way, that for Russia the destruction of enemy aircraft is a routine matter of front-line reports.
And for Ukraine it is the event of the year!
— Source sashakots
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Russian Air defense systems shot down four Ukrainian aircraft : three Su-27 and one Su-24 of the Ukrainian Air Force in the areas of Shirokoe, Odarovka, Zaporozhye region and Grigorovka, Dnepropetrovsk region, the Ministry of Defense reports.It is significant, by the way, that for Russia the destruction of enemy aircraft is a routine matter of front-line reports.
And for Ukraine it is the event of the year!
— Source sashakots
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VARGR198 wrote:
Russia should send an ample supply of small arms to these men so they are ready for when the Estonian gestapo arrive.
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lancelot wrote:Ukrainian BMW Grad.
No probs, its kool.
The owner has a written agreement that he will get his vehicle back in original condition and with a full service and new tyres.
...
Well... his widow will. He probably shouldn't have argued with the government men when they came to collect.
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Plenty of work for Russian armour enthusiasts after this "war". Strip the wrecks and assemble some nice trophies for Russias various museums and armour parks!Hole wrote:To Arrow/ALAMO: Those Bradley in the short videos look slightly damaged.
Russia can repair all her stuff or produce new one. The Ukros can´t even change damaged tracks on their Bradleys.
The Lord most definitely favours the righteous! (thats my religious moment for the festive season
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so many articles about ceasefires but i dont see anything from .ru news websites
Of course the nazis and Ukrainians want a cease fire.... a chance to dig in and to rearm with vehicles and ammo... Russia would never agree to a cease fire as that would just allow the enemy to dig in and prepare and rearm and regroup.
Russia would not benefit at all.
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JohninMK wrote:Lord Bebo
@MyLordBebo
It is significant, by the way, that for Russia the destruction of enemy aircraft is a routine matter of front-line reports.
And for Ukraine it is the event of the year!
— Source sashakots
Every time a russian plane is shot down they announce plenty of ukro jets downed.
Ukrainians don't have that many planes tho. They need to stop propaganda and find a way to hunt the patriots. Their ELINT seems to suck badely. Even at the front line they don't know where the patriots are.
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The claim about shooting down anything by the ukrs is disputable, including the fact being "documented" by a clearly 2022 pictures and sources being used for spreading disinformation multiple times.
On the other hand, we have confirmed data that Russkie reporting used to be intriguing precise for most of the cases, and we could figure that out only months later, when either wreckage were revealed on the occupied territory, or some pics have leakes into net from the ukro side.
Last but not least, they have received dozens of planes from all of the world, including some MiG-29s from the US. Not to mention Slovak, Polish, Bulgarian, Macedonian and Romanian pieces.
The sole thing that suprices me is the fact that they didn't get Polish Su-22 yet.
Some are operational, and the 23.TAB is being rebuild right now to host both F/A-50 anf F-35.
On the other hand, we have confirmed data that Russkie reporting used to be intriguing precise for most of the cases, and we could figure that out only months later, when either wreckage were revealed on the occupied territory, or some pics have leakes into net from the ukro side.
Last but not least, they have received dozens of planes from all of the world, including some MiG-29s from the US. Not to mention Slovak, Polish, Bulgarian, Macedonian and Romanian pieces.
The sole thing that suprices me is the fact that they didn't get Polish Su-22 yet.
Some are operational, and the 23.TAB is being rebuild right now to host both F/A-50 anf F-35.
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None of these countries could maintain their migs. They received them but that doesn't mean they were all in flying conditions.
You will never hear anything about destroyed russian planes from the russian airforce anyway.
Some pro russian accounts already confirmed some losses few days ago of some planes. Very likely patriot hits because no other system has enough range.
You will never hear anything about destroyed russian planes from the russian airforce anyway.
Some pro russian accounts already confirmed some losses few days ago of some planes. Very likely patriot hits because no other system has enough range.
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It is easy to do that when you can rely on AWACS airplane coverage from inside NATO airspace. You keep the radar of the SAM battery powered off until the last minute. But of course the moment you launch SAMs then Russia can track the missile battery.Isos wrote:Ukrainians don't have that many planes tho. They need to stop propaganda and find a way to hunt the patriots. Their ELINT seems to suck badely. Even at the front line they don't know where the patriots are.
Notice how Russia claimed the destruction of NASAMS and Crotale-NG right after this. Either of those systems are much easier to hide and fire in an ambush than something like Patriot. We also had reports of Australia sending an E-7 Wedgetail to that area of the globe not that long ago. Probably part of a joint operation of some sort.
https://www.defence.gov.au/news-events/news/2023-12-19/trusted-eyes-european-skies
In case of actual war of Russia against NATO those AWACS platforms would be just shot down and Starlink wouldn't stay up either.
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“Putin is indeed ready for negotiations, he himself spoke about this,” Peskov said in a commentary for The New York Times.
“Russia is still ready for this, but only to achieve its own goals,” the press added. -Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation.
Commenting on the newspaper’s claims that the Russian Federation allegedly signaled its readiness to discuss a ceasefire, Peskov emphasized that “the theses that you voiced are conceptually incorrect.”
During the “direct line” on December 14, Putin said that peace in Ukraine will come when Russia achieves the goals set at the beginning of the Northeast Military District: denazification, demilitarization and the establishment of a neutral status for Ukraine.
“There will be peace when we achieve our goals. Now let’s return to these goals - they do not change,” the president emphasized.
https://www-militarynews-ru.translate.goog/story.asp?rid=0&nid=608636&lang=RU&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
“Russia is still ready for this, but only to achieve its own goals,” the press added. -Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation.
Commenting on the newspaper’s claims that the Russian Federation allegedly signaled its readiness to discuss a ceasefire, Peskov emphasized that “the theses that you voiced are conceptually incorrect.”
During the “direct line” on December 14, Putin said that peace in Ukraine will come when Russia achieves the goals set at the beginning of the Northeast Military District: denazification, demilitarization and the establishment of a neutral status for Ukraine.
“There will be peace when we achieve our goals. Now let’s return to these goals - they do not change,” the president emphasized.
https://www-militarynews-ru.translate.goog/story.asp?rid=0&nid=608636&lang=RU&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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When I go to YouCrap I get spammed with retarded videos about how Russia is losing so badly that Putin is desperate for negotiations. Apparently,
he has sent too many "meat waves" at the mighty Ukr lines and is running out.
This is the NATzO propaganda chorus. A spectrum of retards and slightly more qualified "sources" bleating away with a contrived narrative. This is an
attempt to create a global mind-space resonance. Have everyone think about the urgent need for a ceasefire in Ukria and it will put pressure on Russia
to bend over. It is obvious that Ukria is losing badly and too fast for NATzO pleasure. So we have an attempt at Minsk III. All of these Russian officials
should really STFU. Their pragmatic statements are self-defeating. Nobody in Russia should be talking about ceasefires and negotiations. When
there is no more Kiev regime, then we can have a ceasefire. As for peace, that depends on NATzO.
he has sent too many "meat waves" at the mighty Ukr lines and is running out.
This is the NATzO propaganda chorus. A spectrum of retards and slightly more qualified "sources" bleating away with a contrived narrative. This is an
attempt to create a global mind-space resonance. Have everyone think about the urgent need for a ceasefire in Ukria and it will put pressure on Russia
to bend over. It is obvious that Ukria is losing badly and too fast for NATzO pleasure. So we have an attempt at Minsk III. All of these Russian officials
should really STFU. Their pragmatic statements are self-defeating. Nobody in Russia should be talking about ceasefires and negotiations. When
there is no more Kiev regime, then we can have a ceasefire. As for peace, that depends on NATzO.
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lancelot wrote:
It is easy to do that when you can rely on AWACS airplane coverage from inside NATO airspace. You keep the radar of the SAM battery powered off until the last minute. But of course the moment you launch SAMs then Russia can track the missile battery.
Notice how Russia claimed the destruction of NASAMS and Crotale-NG right after this. Either of those systems are much easier to hide and fire in an ambush than something like Patriot. We also had reports of Australia sending an E-7 Wedgetail to that area of the globe not that long ago. Probably part of a joint operation of some sort.
https://www.defence.gov.au/news-events/news/2023-12-19/trusted-eyes-european-skies
In case of actual war of Russia against NATO those AWACS platforms would be just shot down and Starlink wouldn't stay up either.
Awacs don't have the range to scan eastern ukrainian front from nato territory.
They just use their AD effectively.
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Funny when the Orcs supposedly shot down a few Russian planes , suddenly it was the F16 that did it ! Have some questions : Supposing an F16 is seen on Radar taking off from Airfield in Poland / Romania and heading to Ukraine , is it legal to destroy it or the Airfield , before plane crosses the border ? Supposing F16 has crossed border from Ukraine into Poland / Romania , is it legal to destroy it or Airfield after it crossed border ? What does article 5 say ?
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It is not about legality, it is about chutzpah. So the NATzO clowns feel lucky and invincible in their attacks on Russian untermenschen, It is up to
Russia to defend its rights.
Anyway, there were no f*cking F-16 over Ukria. This is propaganda for the idiot proles.
I am seeing videos on YouCrap painting the Javelin missile as a "nightmare for Russia". This is the f*cktard level of NATzO fanbois. It was
obvious early last year that the Javelin had no significance. But we still have public masturbation about it. Can't have facts get in the way
of fantasy.
Russia to defend its rights.
Anyway, there were no f*cking F-16 over Ukria. This is propaganda for the idiot proles.
I am seeing videos on YouCrap painting the Javelin missile as a "nightmare for Russia". This is the f*cktard level of NATzO fanbois. It was
obvious early last year that the Javelin had no significance. But we still have public masturbation about it. Can't have facts get in the way
of fantasy.
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Isos wrote:None of these countries could maintain their migs. They received them but that doesn't mean they were all in flying conditions.
You will never hear anything about destroyed russian planes from the russian airforce anyway.
Some pro russian accounts already confirmed some losses few days ago of some planes. Very likely patriot hits because no other system has enough range.
Nobody is saying that "all were in flying conditions".
But it is not true that all were non operational.
Polish 29s were repaired here for years, the only issue was spare parts.
We used to smuggle those from Russia and Belarus.
Ukraine had enormous stocks of parts for them too, and used to maintain some for NATO customers.
Which usually ended up with scandal, for example one of the planes sent from Poland with some clothes hid in the engine returned with it while officially being "replaced".
There was a case of smuggling MiG-29 parts not longer than 2 weeks ago, and surprisingly those were smuggled FROM Ukraine.
I simply don't buy any Ukro propaganda until proven true, because the chance of being fooled is much smaller with the attitude. This case smells fake and prepared from a mile.
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How can pre-2014 stocks of military hardware be relevant for Ukria? We had former Warsaw Pact members shipping huge numbers of tanks, artillery
and armoured vehicles in 2014. This did not stop and was cranked up in 2022. The same goes for Mig-29s. What would be the point of Russian
military to lie about the 4 Ukr jets over the last week? Is Russia insecure and desperate for positive news from the front like Ukria? GTFO.
and armoured vehicles in 2014. This did not stop and was cranked up in 2022. The same goes for Mig-29s. What would be the point of Russian
military to lie about the 4 Ukr jets over the last week? Is Russia insecure and desperate for positive news from the front like Ukria? GTFO.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51
Belisarius Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:16 pm
Isos wrote:
Some pro russian accounts already confirmed some losses few days ago of some planes. Very likely patriot hits because no other system has enough range.
Looks like you missed this:
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kvs wrote:Is Russia insecure and desperate for positive news from the front like Ukria? GTFO.
Yes exactly. If that was the case than Russian would have "downed" a couple of F-16's and fake images of burning Abrahams tanks would have been plastered all over the internet by now. So far the Ukies proved to be the only ones desperate for fake propaganda.
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Wrong. The 737 AEW&C aircraft radar for example has over 600 km range. This is more than the distance from Kherson to the Romanian border. The distance from Iasi to Kherson is 360 km.Isos wrote:Awacs don't have the range to scan eastern ukrainian front from nato territory.
They just use their AD effectively.
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