Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

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Biden to shun Zelensky ‘peace conference’ – Bloomberg
The US president will reportedly hobnob with Hollywood celebrities instead of attending the Swiss summit

US President Joe Biden will skip the peace summit promoted by Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky in Switzerland next month. Biden has chosen to attend a fundraising event in Los Angeles with George Clooney and Julia Roberts instead, Bloomberg reported on Thursday.

Vice President Kamala Harris will not attend in Biden’s stead, Bloomberg added.

Broski wrote:
Having a giant, demilitarized, Gaza-like concentration camp for the Nazis and Nazi sympathizers in Galicia would be a great way to filter out Bandera ideology from the rest of the Ukraine, essentially decontaminating the place for Russia to reintegrate into the RF. The 2nd map also provides a land corridor to Hungary and Serbia, as well as access to the Danube.

The second maps looks better indeed, it would need to be discussed about the territories that could go to Hungary, Slovakia and Romania, and above all Galicia should not inherit 404s statehood in any form. Neighbouring countries receiving historical territories carved away by USSR would surely help reaching a legal settlement

I'm not so sure that works in Russia's favor. Small, weak statelets are very easy for the West to infiltrate and subvert, literally the whole Eastern Europe is a testament to that. Relying on these newly formed countries to remain neutral and serve their own best interests is a lesson in folly. The Ukraine, no matter which version of it exists after this war, will always be Russia's bastard child.

No 404 should remain. To be clear, Galicia could be a region associated to Poland under a special regime, in a way that allows to meet the different interests involved, but Russia would in any case need to keep some serious, hard security guarantees over it, like keeping it as a demilitarized region of Poland. Since a military solution will most probably be the decisive factor, Russia could come to the point of establishing the realities on the ground even in West Ukraine and even when not all the remaining ukie territory has been fully pacified, the strike from Western Belarus has remained an untapped option until now.

Hole wrote:
Poland won´t be allowed to take it.
The Americans want to keep Banderaland as proxy, no matter how small.

You are right, they will not like it a bit. But:

- Limitrophes have an acute sense for changes in the wind. If the lost of US hegemony comes the way it looks it will, Poland and most East European countries will turn like a weathercock.
- For Polish nationalism, Galicia is a coveted prize and for getting it, considerable political interests will be mobilized and risks will be taken.

It all depends on the level of influence that US keeps over Europe when the time to settle this issue, which does not need to be 2024 or even 2025. But a settlement there will be, and Russia has already put the West on notice that its scope will be the whole security arrangement around their borders since NATO started their expansion to the East.

Epicenter construction mole in Charkov has left the chat.

https://t.me/intelslava/61031

Can anyone tell me, what are those explosion-like noises in the background?
Are those famous Ukro toilets exploding?

RTN wrote:

mnztr wrote:I think its legit to say the R-37M is one of the stars of the SMO, and has transformed thinking about AAMs. I expect ranges will get much longer and likely someone will release a 2 stage missile at some point which can launch either full missile or just the first stage if the target is close.

BALDERDASH!

The issue is reliable targeting for them. Very few Russian radars can see past 200 km and you expect its range to double.

R37 has its own radar, a and AWACs can see far

The list of apes that run out of the zoo cages is really impressive
Have I missed something?

... that was my point.
A single strike at this mole in Charkov just blow a months of NATO supplies.
Serious thought, that Russkie are waiting till' it is full enough to waste a good piece of ordnance to torch it up.
The nazi part is so fukin' thirsty for success, that they are really crawling out after a sole military grade and matter strike in the last ... four months?
Geee!
Hush hush apes! Evolution is near!

Partisan war in Ukraine: arson of relay cabinets on the railway does not stop

Yesterday, on the territory of the Belgorod-Dnistrovsky district of the Odessa region, two unknown people drove up in a car, poured gasoline on them and set fire to 2 relay cabinets, one of which completely burned down.

Recently, relay cabinets have already been set on fire in Odessa, two cases were recorded there, two arson cases were recorded in Cherkassy and one in Nikolaev regions.
- RVvoenkor

Good job the UA has plenty of officers to replace them with. Ahhhhh!

In Ukraine, a criminal case was opened against 28 commanders for failure in the Kharkov region.

In a number of settlements they abandoned their positions during the offensive of the Russian Armed Forces. This was the area of ​​responsibility of the Kharkov and Khortytsya groupings of troops.

It is emphasized that it is about units of up to one company.

@ukr_leaks_eng

Its a big bang! Whatever it was the RA got a good target.

Can anyone tell me, what are those explosion-like noises in the background? 

Fireworks.

but but but there was a fire at a gas station on the outskirts of Irkutsk

Reuters: Putin ready to surrender, according to unnamed sources.

Isos wrote:It's impressive to think there are pro russians thinking it's a good idea to give Poland more territories to increase their size thus giving nato more grounds. Poland is literalery sending weapons to kill as many russians as possible. Why would a normal russian with its full working brain think it's a good idea to give them ukrainian lands.

Its a simplistic view,putting Poles in charge of Ukrainians is GREAT FUN. Just stand back and watch the entertainment. you keep a Russia base there, no foreign troops, diplomatic staff or NGOs allowed only Polish police and border guards. Take it of leave it.

Isos wrote:It's impressive to think there are pro russians thinking it's a good idea to give Poland more territories to increase their size thus giving nato more grounds. Poland is literalery sending weapons to kill as many russians as possible. Why would a normal russian with its full working brain think it's a good idea to give them ukrainian lands.

It is the ruling German-Ukrainian mafia in Poland that is sending armaments, fuel, equipment, and other supplies.


Not all Poles agree with this:



https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/535/polish-resistance-movement-derails-supplies

https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid0VgrNH6RjAxmUbbGJguKMRNb2e2EVo7fLUuX7uQVRrUsH7iqYZkCE3KkAn86qCCkbl

The Internet "experts" have a common traits, that they assume that weapons have to be invincible, and then they used that assumption to accuse that Russian army and Russian weapons are weak, and they claim that Russian leadership are stupid, only these "Internet experts" have the talent to command Russians soldiers.

We already know that, in number, the Russian forces in Ukraine is much thinner than Ukrainian forces. AA systems of Russia also have to be spreaded on a long frontline. What Russia has more than Ukrainia in number, is the density of artillery, and aerial domination.

However, due to Western supply, in some specific times, Ukrainian troops manage to achieve temporary superiority in artillery. But of course, Ukrainian quickly spent all these supply and things go back to the old trough.

We can see that, considering that context, Russian losses in Ukraine is actually modest, and Russia manages to overcome many challenges to get the current achievement.

You can see it in how Russian obliterate Ukrainian AA system and how Ukrainian attack Russian AA system. One Russian AA system was targeted by a lot of Ukrainian weapons in multiple types, multiple tiers, and multiple ATACMS was used in one time to destroy Russian system. But Russia in most cases only use 1 Tornado-S or 1 Iskander-M to destroy Ukrainian system. And the amount of Ukrainian system being destroyed is much higher than Russian system being destroyed. Meanwhile, Ukrainian can only rely on USA support to achieve temporary advantages, and such temporary advantages will quickly be lost.

But the Internet "experts" still accuse why S-400 is not invicible, accuse that Russian army is weak, blah blah blah.

We already know that, in number, the Russian forces in Ukraine is much thinner than Ukrainian forces.

Not anymore.

@Garry
The main problem is, while u know about weapons, you know basically nothing about the culture of the Ukraine and the Russian World.
I remember for 8 years you basically said "Russia doesn;t need the Ukraine, it should let it rot".

Absolutely I stand by those words because there are going to be regions of the Ukraine that will always hate Russia and Russians and they should be left as a separate neutral state that is not part of Russia.

Crimea voted to be Russian and these four new regions of Eastern Ukraine have voted to become part of the Russian Federation too, but not every region is going to want to be any part of Russia and Russia should accept that as their right to not be part of Russia.

Russia should not save people who don't want to be saved.

Let them stew in their hatred for Russia and Russians and eek out a living in limbo.

The west will try to absorb them but Russia should make iron clad agreements so that is unlikely or there is a cost... like a land bridge to Kaliningrad in return for the far western most radicalised parts of the Ukraine.

You sidestepped the fact it had been Russia for nearly all the last 1100 years

I don't sidestep it at all... it is UN agreed that the people on a spot of land can choose their nationality for themselves... the way the Crimea did, and they way the Palestinians are not being allowed to at the moment.

For 50,000 years Australia was Aboriginal... can they rise up and kick all the white people off the country?

The US was a British colony... things change.

Eastern Ukrainians have decided to become Russian citizens because of the way Kiev treated them the last 10 years... in 2014 they didn't want to join the Russian Federation... they just wanted to be able to speak Russian and trade openly with Russia. After 10 years of war they have had enough of being Ukrainian... but other Ukrainians who have only been bombed and shelled for the last going on three years by Russia probably still blame Russia because most have never heard Russias side of things yet.

When the Ukrainian Army collapses and Russian troops come in to keep the peace and referendums and elections are organised the people of the Ukraine can have their say, but their choices will be restricted to choices acceptable to Russia and there will not be 20 million Ukrainians from the west getting to vote.

You sidestep the fact 50 % of the population basically considers themselves Russian.

If it was 50% then they failed to have any influence on the facts on the ground and happily went to war with Russia in the name of the great west democracy circus...

If they don't stand up to nazis then they wont stand up to Russians either...

Most of the other 50 % is certainly a "fraternal people" albeit poisoned by GAYTO and Nazism to some extent or other.

Yeah, lots of serial killers are basically good people... they just need to take their meds and stay away from the bad guys that lead them on dark paths.

My point is simple, if Putin capitulates after the price Russia has paid then it WOULD be clear he is a Washington plant.

Yeah, so you say... but I would respond by saying... look at the Russian economy. Look at western economies. Look at the position Russia is now in with BRICS and relations with all sorts of countries around the entire world, especially China and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Iran.

I would say if there are plants involved it is in the west and they have played their cards beautifully to destroy the evil western illuminati and their white colonial hold on Africa and Asia and Central and South America... their house of cards is coming down. Even now the world is turning on Israel... the jews were the worlds victims and can do no wrong, but it is not working any more and it seems they might be going to be held to account.

But what is your definition of capitulates?

Do all Ukrainians need to be mercilessly slaughtered, or all assimilated and converted in country religion and language to Russian?

Putin is pretty much stating that there is no one to negotiate with in Kiev any more because even when he was in power he could not be trusted, and now his term has ended he has no authority so whether he can be trusted or not is moot.

You call ME an idiot for criticising a complete sellout? Words fail me...!

I call you an idiot for entertaining such ridiculous accusations made by his enemies and those who propagandise for your enemies.

Look at what YOU were saying for 8 yrs! Look in the mirror!

I stand by what I said... if there was no west pushing for war with Russia and if Kiev had followed the Miinsk agreements to the letter this could all have been sorted out peacefully with Crimea being Russian but the rest of the Ukraine remaining the Ukraine with no language or religion being banned.

That is not what happened... to the point where Russia really had no option because war was coming and it came down to whether they struck first and did some damage or they waited for Kiev to strike and perhaps receive some damage and try to respond against an advancing enemy force with its tail up.

I can't fault Putin for anything he did because at the time it always made sense... including the pre-emptive Self defence attack on Ukraine.

MOving on, I love Putin as a "father of the Nation"... on the civil side. But he admits himself. He fucked up.

He admits he did wrong based on what those evil bastards in the west revealed... Merkel and Holland openly lied to his face about wanting peace and creating peace and created what is essentially a bloody civil war on Russias border with the express purpose of getting Putin out of office and crippling the Russian economy and perhaps dividing that country up too like they did to Yugoslavia... though to be fair Yugoslavia was a frankensteins monster to being with.

He was wrong because he accepted the word of liars... but at the time he had no reason not to accept their word.

You could argue that Kiev not following Minsk 1 or 2 and blaming Russia for not fulfilling its part of the bargain was a hint because essentially Russia had no part in the agreement to follow through on... but Germany and France being arseholes is just normal diplomacy in Europe for the last 30 years...

Read that again. He admits it himself. He admitted he REGRETTED standing aside for 8 yrs. He HASN'T made the right decisions on the strategic side.

He admits it now he knows what they were doing... do you think everything that happened would have happened if he knew what they were doing?

He admits now that he made a mistake but short of inventing a time machine and going back and warning himself that they are evil and can't be trusted then if he had a chance to do it all again he likely would have done what he did based on what he knew then.

Based on what he knows now is not relevant because he didn't fucking know.

And he won a landslide victory because the powers that be value unity. There was no real alternative. They do NOT value flim flam ostrich in the sand "lets wait and see" BS re the Ukraine for 8 yrs.

Bullshit. If he was no good for the job they have had plenty of opportunities these last 25 years to vote for someone else.... and apart from Medvedev they have not.

Might come as a shock but just because he is president of the Russian Federation he does not have access to all knowledge and truth all the time so when he needs to make choices and decisions sometimes he has to make judgement calls.

80& of the Russian voting public think he is the best man for the job... you suggesting there is no alternative.... hahahaha... you live in the UK don't you... Sunak and Johnson and May... in the US Biden or Hillary or Trump... if Putin was a flim flam ostrich with its head in the sand the west would love him.

And Russia would be in the toilet.

If Putin keeps on with the appeasement style BS,

What fucking appeasement? It is all in your head, which is why I am calling you an idiot.

He says he is open to negotiations... you take that to mean he will accept the idea of Russia surrendering and the US winning just before the election because he is a US plant. But he also says negotiations need to take into account the situation on the ground... which is dominated by Russian forces moving forward and slaughtering 15 thousand Orcs a week... that does not sound like he is giving up anything at all... in fact I would say he is going in to those negotiations from a position of strength.

The Pukraine could have been crushed in a fortnight in 2014... or at any time til around 2021 or so.

First of all why.

Why would Putin invade a soverign state because the US just funded a coup to overthrow the leadership... keep in mind at that point the Lugansk and Donbass and other regions were not interested in joining the Russian federation... that was only the Crimea and they did that.

Second how would the Russian military perform in that conflict because there was no experience with drones as per the Syrian conflict, and western sanctions hadn't kicked in yet so most of the food Russia consumed came from the EU, and a lot of military production used western sourced components and of course all the progress Russia has made economically and militarily would be immediately wiped by western sanctions... and of course the relationship with China and India was different 10 years ago too. The Indians probably would have supported Russia but would China?

Russian force crushing Ukrainian forces in 2014 would probably have led to HATO forces entering Ukraine and perhaps even a rushed entry for the Ukraine into HATO to try to protect the assets the west was in the process of stealing.

Putin must now try and redeem himself and ensure such fuckups never occur again.

Of course... I write in my diary every night to never make mistakes... because that is how things work... you say you will never make a mistake and you never do.

Kazakstan, Belarus, the Ukraine, ANYWHERE in the Russian World and near abroad. He also needs to learn the meaning of the word deterrent and set up a proxy tit for tat situation vs GAYTO devils.

Hahahahaaha.... and the US is using violence to force Russia into the western world.... as a slave... how is that working?

Sometimes that is counter productive... in fact I would say that if you wanted Belarus to join the Russian federation the best way would be to let them see what the EU and HATO are doing to the Ukraine and Georgia and soon Finland and Sweden.

You think Russia gives a shit about Palestine? It's not about Palestine. Russia should be doing proxy wars vs America not piss around on legalistic BS.

It is all about international law, which will always put Russia on the other side of the fence from Israel and the west who don't care about fences or why they are there.

So Putin also talking "bullshit" in your mind because he regrets sitting on his arse for 8 yrs?

He made a lot of decisions back then based on what he knew and what he believed to be true. Several of the people he was negotiating with have since revealed the truth, which had they revealed at the time he would not have done what he did.

Hindsight is 20/20 but not something to judge someone on.

Even the village mong can work out Russia could have finished the job in a fortnight not 2 yrs if it started years before.

And 1,000 years ago they could have done this or that as well, but making claims about what would have happened are meaningless and pointless because it didn't happen and it wont happen.

Anyone who claims it would be over in 3 days or two weeks is an idiot too BTW... nothing ever happens that quick...

Your words here on Putin "He was lied to. Hardly his fault".
So who you gonna blame? The pixies?

Living up to the term idiot I see.

I blame the LIARS. But lets just blame Putin because its is always Putins fault... western propaganda says so.

He's the President of Russia with decades experience. And you say "it wasn't his fault"?
He should be surprised the Empire of Satan lied to him?
And you call ME an idiot?

Yes, I call you an idiot.

Even if he knew Merkel and Holland were lying I rather doubt he would have invaded the Ukraine.

He hasn't invaded Finland or Sweden either... he is not invading many countries at all... it is not his thing.

BTW look at the two members who liked your post... I rest my case... a nazi and a stalinist...

It's impressive to think there are pro russians thinking it's a good idea to give Poland more territories to increase their size thus giving nato more grounds. Poland is literalery sending weapons to kill as many russians as possible. Why would a normal russian with its full working brain think it's a good idea to give them ukrainian lands.

Because these territories were traditionally occupied by Poland... and if the west accepts that then Russia can say the rest of the Ukraine was traditionally Russian territory...

I suspect western Ukraine will be neutral and independent and hopefully land locked.

The Russians used Belarusian territory as a springboard at the start of the SMO. That "implicates" Belarus as an enabler - meaning that they are already involved.

Only in the sense that all of HATO is involved too... the conflict has not spilled onto their territory to a significant degree... and I suspect like HATO they want to keep it that way.

Things might change even more dramatically with the attack on the Russian strategic radar site,

Any credible proof there was an attack on said radar site?

This is all theoretical though. Pretty sure that Poland doesn't want to touch any of these lands with a 10-foot pole. They are interested in arming them to the teeth against Russia to the last Banderite, and nothing more.

Agree, they are cowardly westerners who love war that doesn't directly effect them in terms of body bags... so as long as they have a proxy to do the fighting and bleeding and dying they are happy.

Senator and former head of "Roscosmos," Dmitry Rogozin, commented on images circulating online after a drone attack on the "Voronezh-DM" radar station. This station can detect ballistic nuclear missile launches up to 6000 km away.

So he is commenting on images circulated online... he was not aware of the details via official channels?

Doesn´t matter, part of the bomblets will survice and continue the flight to the vicinity of the target area.

Especially when more often than not THAAD and Erint and PAC-3 often don't hit or kill.

Good job the UA has plenty of officers to replace them with. Ahhhhh!

In Ukraine, a criminal case was opened against 28 commanders for failure in the Kharkov region.

That will be the point though... they probably have too many officers so finding some guilty of something and then demoting them means they can be sent to the front line... but being officers their planning and leadership skills will perhaps help them to lead an insurrection, or maybe just a huge group of Orcs to surrender while taking down the nazis trying to shoot the ones that surrender...

Not anymore.

I would say in the entire country the Ukrainians have more troops, but along the line of engagement the Russians are able to distribute their forces to get local superiority and with their mobility and tactics they can drive the orcs back in a way that traditionally would require a 3-4 times advantage in men and equipment.

They have fire power advantages that they are using effectively, and of course corruption means the fortifications they are currently fighting through are not really slowing anyone down.

Wow, look at that weapons list, they really meant it this time.

MD
@distant_earth83
The main target of the night missile strike was the Starokonstantinov airfield in the Khmelnytskyi region.

Initially, it was targeted by up to 20 "Geran-2" UAVs, about 15 cruise missiles X-101, X-55, and three "Daggers."

The enemy is already reporting that Starokonstantinov is completely powerless. According to our data, the airfield has suffered serious damage, and the enemy's air defenses have been compromised.

This airfield is the main base for the deployment of the enemy's Su-24M aircraft carrying aviation cruise missiles. It is also planned to be used for F-16 aircraft.

Source: https://t.me/frontbird/9672

What is known about the overnight strike by the Russian Air Force on targets in Ukraine

Most of the missiles reached their targets between 3 and 4 am. This time only military targets were hit.

Geran-2 UAVs worked in the first wave and destroyed targets in Vinnitsa, Zhitomir, Khmelnitsky, Poltava, Cherkasy and Odessa regions.

The second and third wave used cruise missiles Kh-101 on targets in Khmelnitsky region. The airfield of Starokonstantinov, where the 7th tactical aviation brigade of the Ukrainian Air Force (7th BrTA, v/h A2502) and aircraft carrying Storm Shadow/SCALP cruise missiles were based, came under the most dense fire. In addition to the Kh-101, hypersonic Kinzhal missiles were allegedly used against the airfield.

Targets in Vinnitsa, Zhitomir, Ternopol, Kirovograd and Kiev regions were also hit.

In addition, the Kinzhals were allegedly used against three currently unknown targets in Khmelnitsky, Vinnitsa, and Ivano- Frankovsk regions.

It is possible that we are talking about the airfield of Ivano- Frankovsk, where the 114th tactical aviation brigade is based, as well as the airfield of Vinnytsia, where the 456th transport brigade is based, the location of which was twice hit with massive strikes.

Source

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GarryB wrote:If they don't stand up to nazis then they wont stand up to Russians either...

Great point, plus throw into the mix that any Ukie who wants to fight Russia has ample opportunity to do so (and be removed from the potential insurgency gene pool). Once the Ukie army is finally ground down into dog meat and the state collapses I suspect there won't be anyone willing and able to fight against the Russian victors and their Russian-speaking Ukrainian allies (a lot like Germany post WW2). NATO will no doubt try to kindle and maintain some kind of armed resistance but as long as Russia takes her time and drives the attrition to its ultimate conclusion then it should be managable.

The mind virus of banderism must be exterminated once and for all. While it is allowed to fester it will represent a chink in Russias armor that her eternal enemies in the West will seek to exploit.