Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

Washington to Allow Ukraine to Hit Russia With US's HIMARS, GMLRS, Artillery - Reports

The United States will allow Kiev to use the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) and High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) rockets, as well as artillery for attacks on the Russian territory and the Kharkov region, The Wall Street Journal has reported, citing US officials.

On Thursday, US State Department spokesperson told Sputnik in a statement that President Joe Biden had greenlighted Ukrainian strikes using US-supplied weapons inside the Russian territory for counter-fire purposes in the Kharkov region of Ukraine, but has not authorized the use of long-range missiles, including ATACMS, inside Russia.

So Ukraine is getting a counter battery authorization from NATO to hit border accumulations of troops and supplies

The best way to reply to this is to simply push the border farther away 70km

Of course eventually ATACMS will be authorized so 300km is desirable

Yeah it forces Russia to accelerate its military operations - or not

But that’s just the nature of the beast

Either put into place partial mobilization and declare war to authorize the use of conscripts to free up reserve manpower

And start clearing out urban strongholds via carpet bombing and bypass them after they become piles of rubble and Ukraine switches to insurgency

This is the only way to avoid the conundrum of getting slapped in Russian cities

Or you can keep the same pace and just take the hits

Export sales are 0 so it doesn’t matter anyway from an optics perspective

There's a BTR-82 under there somewhere

There was a video on Zvezda TV a few days ago about the "construction" of that machine.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

The best way to reply to this is to simply push the border farther away 70km

How many Russian casualties would that require?

And it will not solve the underlying problem which is that NATO is able to attack Russia without Russia being willing or able to hit back.

Eventually they will completely destroy Russia. Why not remove an enemy if the enemy has a weak leadership and an attack will give the West an uncontested victory with zero Western casualties? And Russia will be finished off for good.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

How many Russian casualties would that require?

And it will not solve the underlying problem which is that NATO is able to attack Russia without Russia being willing or able to hit back.

Eventually they will completely destroy Russia. Why not remove an enemy if the enemy has a weak leadership and an attack will give the West an uncontested victory with zero Western casualties? And Russia will be finished off for good.

This is just FUD

You guys keep claiming that NATO has escalated to this major level

And it hasn’t

All it did was give Ukraine the weapons to hit Russia with in a limited scale

No one told Russia to fight with one arm tied behind its back and it’s more than capable of removing those limitations and acting viciously and aggressively with increased intensity

Israel cleared an area of 2 million people in 8 months

Sure you can say there are double standards but reality is no one would do anything to Russia for acting that way

Beyond the international “condemnation” of Russian “war crimes” which already happened


So I really don’t get what the worry is from Moscow about the way they would be perceived if they actually started hitting the Ukrainians as if they were Gazans

What would be funny is if Russia started arming Hamas while doing so

You’d have the so called international community
ie west howling that Russia is a war crime state

While students in the USA would occupy Harvard and MIT flying Russian flags

It’s too bad Moscow isn’t good at exploiting cultural divides and pop culture propaganda

Time for one of Uncle Satan's aircraft carriers to say hello to the octopuses.

Arkanghelsk wrote:What is funny is that all the talk of hitting NATO is coming from people who vehemently went against the “6th” column approach and were against full scale war

These people basically gave NATO and Ukraine a path to strikes on Russia

Now that their poorly thought out strategy is blowing up literally in their faces      

They are scrambling to get everyone killed in a nuclear holocaust because they can’t admit they were wrong

No one is hitting NATO and no nukes are being used

Yes Russia must take these strikes on the chin and that’s because they have been enabled by a half assed approach to this war

Ffs 3 years in and musical chairs are being played with Shoigu, Belousov and this 6D chess bullshit persists

Instead of hunting for low level corrupt MOD clowns

Take the gloves off and let the general staff do what it’s good at - fighting wars and killing the enemy      

The political leadership is absolutely inept and out of touch when it comes to this and this is what it has led to

NATO slow and incremental escalation and no limits arms donations

It’s just so funny to see what everyone berated me on the forum back since 2022 for being a war monger and a “6th” columnist

And now these same people are losing their shit and calling for WW3

You people are the same people who said everything was fine when :

- Moskva was sunk
- bridge was hit
- multiple ships sunk
- Belgorod hit
- Rostov hit
- Wagner coup
- Russia retreated from Kiev and Kharkov
- Russian casualties exceeded 150k dead and wounded
- Russian strategic bombers destroyed
- Voronezh DM radar destroyed
- Crocus terror attack kebabed 150 Russian civilians

After all your cope for 2 years about how everything is fine and everything is going according to plan

Now when NATO is going to score more cheap hits, the knee jerk reaction is to hit them directly

Dude you gave them this on a silver platter

And now you’re going to swallow it baby

If you want things to change treat this thing like a real war and enough of “we will do this on our own time”

No that ship has sailed, and if you don’t want Belgorod, Rostov and Moscow getting yeeted by long range NATO weapons

It’s time to get off your asses and start committing to fighting this the way it needs to be

But like Israel maybe you need a nice salvo of HIMARS to kill 2000 civilians, maybe crocus was to few

In order to do what needs to be done

Until then you will just keep acting like morons with eggs sliding off your faces each time you get yeeted by ATACMS

And looking impotent while seething about nUculAr D3ter3nz

Looks like NATO is laughing all the way to the bank , but don’t worry in 3 years when Belgorod is a pile of rubble

You can rejoice in the humanitarian approach to your SMO

Voronez destroyed? No it wasn't. It sustained minimal damage but it wasn't destroyed.

150K dead and wounded? Where did you get that info from? Even independent sources state around 50 - 60K dead with possible same amount wounded.

Honestly, the first part about Kiev and Kharkov is correct. Russia should have been serious and held onto just outside of Kiev. They could do it now for Christ sakes but they won't.

To expand on what I mean by increase intensity

Here is the reality

Russia is currently using small units and force recon to take a small section of the front

They move as far as they can, when they meet resistance they dig in and initiate contact with the enemy

The intention is to draw in Ukrainian reserves and target their rear areas with missiles and rockets and bombs

It’s a great strategy that has worked

But the reality is if you send in less than 20k troops to places like Liptsy and Volchansk, what kind of reserves to do you expect to draw in?

By all accounts Ukraine moved in 20-30k in reserves, IMO it’s much less then that

Okay great

But do you understand how little this is with regard to the mobilization pool? I don’t mean they’re trained, but they can easily grab more meat and just throw it to plug gaps and keep using the better trained units as barrier troops and fire off standoff weapons like GMLRS to counter battery Russian rear areas

Now what if you assembled a force package of 200-300k troops at a place like Kharkov itself

And went ape shit on the city

How many Ukrainians would you draw in?

Half a million? You’d kill a fuckton of them with bombing and it would just become a giant meat grinder same as you do in small settlements with the benefit that you are killing way more Ukrainians and actually attriting them en masse and not piecemeal

And you don’t even need to assault the city just use the mass of Russian forces to get them to commit to the defense as a “fortress city”

Then just turn it into Avdeyevka or Bakhmut and bury the lot of pigs in there

If you are not willing to do that your going to spend years playing this game with Ukraine and NATO and taking shots

If you don’t want to kill that many of them the first time pick a smaller place like Chernigov or Sumy and turn them into proper meat grinders

It’s the same shit they do in small places like Volchansk and Liptsy but on a massive scale

It’s the same logic with added bonus that you kill many more pigs and you really rattle NATO with big names under assault rather than

“Volchansk” or “Liptsy” or “Zolochev”

At most your going to draw in 10-15k Ukrainian reserves in small towns like that

Regarding the 6th column, just think about how you would spread propaganda. Feeding it directly saturates the audience quickly. But if you feed it via "concern trolls" who
claim to be super-patriots, then you get way more traction. The average normie sap thinks: well, if super-patriots are concerned, then there must be some serious problem.
This is exactly what the war propagandists want. The ones in NATzO are also trying to leverage history of WWI and the 1917 revolution. We had the 6th column effectively
spreading a panic about "selling out" and other BS that undermined the Czar and facilitated the colour revolution that greatly benefited the Germans and the west in general.

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation (for the period from May 25 to May 31, 2024)

From May 25 to May 31, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 25 group strikes with precision weapons, including hypersonic Dagger missiles, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which they hit: command posts, military airfield infrastructure facilities, air defense facilities, arsenals, fuel bases, production workshops, etc. storage areas for unmanned boats and attack unmanned aerial vehicles. In addition, the points of temporary deployment of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, formations of nationalists and foreign mercenaries were hit.

The units of the North group of forces continued to advance into the depth of the enemy's defense during the course of combat operations. During the week, the manpower and equipment of five AFU brigades and two territorial defense brigades were defeated, and 20 enemy counterattacks were repelled. The total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the week amounted to 1,740 military personnel, three tanks, nine armored combat vehicles, 28 vehicles, 8 MLRS Grad and Vampire combat vehicles, as well as 29 field artillery guns.

Units of the Zapad group of forces liberated the settlements of Berestovoye and Ivanovka in the Kharkiv region during the week and continued to advance into the depth of the enemy's defense. They defeated formations of eight formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and two brigades of the National Guard of Ukraine. We repelled 11 counterattacks by enemy units. The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to 2,310 military personnel, three tanks, 10 armored combat vehicles, 35 vehicles, two 122-mm MLRS Bastion combat vehicles, as well as 30 field artillery guns, including 14 of Western production.

During the week, units of the "Southern" grouping of troops improved the situation along the front edge and defeated the manpower and equipment of twelve AFU formations in the areas of the settlements of Seversk, Ostroye, Krasnogorovka, Elizavetovka, Novy, Konstantinovka, Razdolovka and Chas Yar of the Donetsk People's Republic. They repelled two counterattacks by units of the assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the air defense brigade. The enemy lost up to 3,415 soldiers, four tanks, eight armored combat vehicles, 30 vehicles, 25 field artillery guns, 11 of them foreign-made. 19 AFU field ammunition depots were destroyed.

During the week, the units of the Center group of forces continued to advance into the depth of the enemy's defense, liberating the settlements of Arkhangelskoye and Netailovo of the Donetsk People's Republic. They defeated formations of nine formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Yasnobrodovka, Konstantinovka, Yevgenovka, Sokol, Rozovka, Semenovka, Novgorodskoye and Selidovo of the Donetsk People's Republic. We repelled 31 counterattacks by enemy assault units. During the week, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost up to 2,515 servicemen, a tank, 15 armored combat vehicles, including three Bradley infantry fighting vehicles made in the United States, 19 vehicles, three MLRS Grad combat vehicles, as well as 51 field artillery guns.

The units of the Vostok group of forces improved the tactical situation, defeated the manpower and equipment of two brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two formations of the defense forces and a brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine. In addition, four counterattacks by formations of the 72nd Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were reflected. The enemy's losses amounted to up to 920 soldiers, a tank, two armored combat vehicles, 33 vehicles, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, as well as 18 field artillery guns, five of which were Western–made.

Over the past week, units of the Dnepr group of forces defeated the manpower and equipment of two marine brigades, three formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a defense brigade and a brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine. The enemy lost up to 325 soldiers, three armored combat vehicles, 24 vehicles, 17 field artillery guns, including three American M777 howitzers manufactured by the United States.

Aviation and air defense equipment shot down: two MiG-29 and two Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, 14 ATACMS tactical missiles manufactured in the USA, 17 guided Hammer bombs manufactured in France, six HARM anti-radar missiles manufactured in the USA, six Neptune anti-ship missiles, 58 HIMARS rockets manufactured in the USA, a Czech-made Vampire and an Alder, as well as 312 unmanned aerial vehicles.

Within a week, 45 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 607 aircraft, 274 helicopters, 24902 unmanned aerial vehicles, 524 anti-aircraft missile systems, 16208 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1325 multiple rocket launchers, 9972 field artillery and mortars, as well as 22135 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12514940@egNews

The Russian MoD reports for the past week there were 11,225 Ukrainian casualties.

sepheronx wrote:

Voronez destroyed? No it wasn't. It sustained minimal damage but it wasn't destroyed.

150K dead and wounded? Where did you get that info from? Even independent sources state around 50 - 60K dead with possible same amount wounded.

Honestly, the first part about Kiev and Kharkov is correct. Russia should have been serious and held onto just outside of Kiev. They could do it now for Christ sakes but they won't.

This is all semantics

Point is, NATO has been facilitating these things through Ukrainian hands since 2022

Whether Voronezh got destroyed is not the point , point is it got hit and now people want to hit NATO and drop tactical nukes

What changed ?

Same with 150k dead and wounded, yeah figures show 85k on probate registry and as low as 55k according to obituaries

Wounded are basically the same if now bit more

Point is, they have been inflicting casualties on RU manpower for a while now

Nothing has changed

With regard to Kiev and Kharkov, I don’t mean assault them for the sake of assaulting them

Use them as meat grinder cities

Really big “fortresses” that will depopulate Ukraines fighting population way faster than going town by town and wiping out 35 thousand Ukrainians in May as the MOD reports

If you light up a big city it will be 100,000 dead in May or June

So denazification goes much faster and you don’t have to worry about NATO weapons anymore because your sanitation zone does a good job of giving enough time and space for air defense to detect and intercept Ukrainian weapons

The Gomel region of Belarus, bordering Ukraine, is ready to be transferred to wartime, said First Deputy Head of the Belarusian Ministry of Emergency Situations Alexander Khudoleev during an inspection of regional civil defence formations.

“The readiness of special formations and their staffing have been checked. In general, the region’s system is ready, if necessary, to be transferred to wartime,” the BelTA agency quotes the deputy minister as saying. “At the same time, there are several adjustments that require prompt intervention, so we will develop management decisions and take appropriate regulatory legal acts that will allow us to generally implement and ensure functioning and interaction during the period of preparation and transfer to a military footing."

This is a perfect response to these NATO declarations

Go to Kiev with a big force and pummel the city

Draw in as many Ukrainians as possible and just go to town on Kievs infrastructure

Once the place is thoroughly destroyed and the defenders are basically destroyed/trapped in the rubble

You can clear it out with small squads like Aleppo or Dara or Homs

Then just move on and secure the Dnieper

Repeat this in Chernigov and Sumy as well as Kharkov

And just raze all of those places and let Ukrainians evacuate too

In other words you don’t have to bomb soup kitchens and aid workers

But if you hit a building used as a garrison for the VSU, it is a war so fuckit

What’s the difference between hitting that Mall in Kharkov?

Is it right that Ukrainian civilians work a 9-5 job at their local Home Depot that doubles as a storage facility for VSU air defenses and drones?

No **** that fraternal brother shit

Bomb these mofos and show them what the cost of real war is

Let them decide to be fully depopulated or slightly

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Mir wrote:Not completely unrelated but the Houthis just claimed they've managed a direct hit on the Eisenhower - lets wait and see  

Nothing happened.

So Fritz do you have any official confirmation on this? Usually the US would come out of the blocks very quickly to denounce such "outlandish" claims - but so far they seem very quiet

Arkanghelsk wrote:
But do you understand how little this is with regard to the mobilization pool?

franco wrote:The Russian MoD reports for the past week there were 11,225 Ukrainian casualties.

That is a big number and the slaughter continues unabated for weeks on end now. The meat grinder is turning out a line of endless sausages.

Mir wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Mir wrote:Not completely unrelated but the Houthis just claimed they've managed a direct hit on the Eisenhower - lets wait and see  

Nothing happened.

So Fritz do you have any official confirmation on this? Usually the US would come out of the blocks very quickly to denounce such "outlandish" claims - but so far they seem very quiet  

They have denied it. Not quite saying that if an Eisenhower has been hit its not ours, but close.

But WHY post it in this thread???? It has nothing to do with Ukraine.

Perhaps not directly related but IF such an attack took place I would not be too surprised if the targeting coordinates were provided via a third party.
That's why I said "not completely unrelated" - all these conflicts are all proxy wars with the same puppet masters pulling the strings.

JohninMK wrote:The 'bad ' guy in the good guy/bad guy tag team has had a rest. Now he lays it out in more simple terms for the less intelligent i.e. most of the West's leaders who seem to be unable to comprehend the 'good' guy's words.

To be a credible "bad guy" he needs to have an official position. ATM, he is just a citizen with big following on Telegram.




All this escalation could've been prevented by downing some drones off the Black Sea coast, when first "red lines" were crossed, to show that you mean business.

caveat emptor wrote:
To be a credible "bad guy" he needs to have an official position. ATM, he is just a citizen with big following on Telegram.

I suppose that serving as deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia since 2020 is not really an official position.

been giving this some thought. The announcement of limited use of US weapons to hit military targets inside Russia/Russian controlled territory that are involved in successful operations at the front made Thursday Afternoon in the United States, falls within the Friday rule.* There's not going to be all that much escalation from this because all that is happening is just more of the same said differently. There is no red line being crossed. This is just the out of touch Bidet regime attempting to look tough during an election cycle. Will Russian assetts be hit? Well attempts will be made, but air defense will get most of them and the damage will be more or less minimal. Probably less than a couple hundred casualties, a couple tanks and apc, maybe a truck, and if they get really lucky maybe an ammo dump or two. How will this change things at the front? Little to nothing will change because of this honestly

*The Friday rule is that Ukraine under the direction of its western owners, especially in Washington and London, will perpetuate a large publicity stunt either an announcement that Ukraine can now strike inside Russia using their weapons, some terrorist attack either on a bunch of farmers in Belgorod or concert goers in Moscow, some drone or rocket attack, and then the internet personalities and bingo callers on the Sunday morning "news" shows will say something like now Ukraine could win, please get your checkbooks out and send a blank check to Kiev today so Zelensky can cash in and Biden can take his 10 percent.

So really, we have yet again been caught up in a media frenzy. Hell, this one was actually pretty effective in that in this case they got even me.

In short, don't expect too much in escalation because there isn't a reason to escalate. Nuke people over this? Attack NATO over this? Why? These pronouncements by Washington are just the Bidet regime satying publically what they doubtlessly gave Kiev permission to do as far back as the start of this war. NATO wants escalation and they want Russia to go on a major offensive because they really really really want to dig in and bleed Russia white. Russia attacking in Kharkov and Sumy direction means they, Ukraine, have to move troops in to those regions and drive the Russians back. So when Arrow says, Russia hasn't made any gains, well no shit sherlock, but gaining ground isn't the Russian MO in this war. Russia doesn't want any more land than what it already has (except the rest of the LPR, DNR, Kherson, and Zaprozhiye. In Kharkov and Sumy direction, they don't need or want land, but they know Ukraine -because Kiev is fighting a propaganda war - cannot allow Russia to take any territory and so the Ukrehrmacht will send all it has into the meatgrinder to be ground down to bone meal and component parts.

What Washington so desperately wants is a hideous war of big arrow offensives that leaves Russia fighting a nasty and lawless guerilla war full of reprisals and war crimes that would leave it isolated on the world stage, sending bodybags back to russia in the tens of thousands, and would cripple the Putin government. That is the hope in provocatively announcing things like this. Putin is not going to , and should not, change tactics to react to western provocations especially when doing so would force him to fight the type of war he does not intend to fight.

So everyone, calm the fluck down, realize that this is the normal Friday propaganda rule and that too many of us are reacting exactly how the propagandists hope we will**

**I haven't seen a note longer than the main body of text since I was going through my Masater's Thesis.

Mir wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
But do you understand how little this is with regard to the mobilization pool?

franco wrote:The Russian MoD reports for the past week there were 11,225 Ukrainian casualties.

That is a big number and the slaughter continues unabated for weeks on end now. The meat grinder is turning out a line of endless sausages.

Meh it can be increased especially if you move these meat grinders to big cities

Then you get an industrial denazification going

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Meh it can be increased especially if you move these meat grinders to big cities
Then you get an industrial denazification going

Problem is that the Russians consider the real big cities in Ukraine as "Russian" cities. Further west is another matter all together but I think the Russians have no intention of razing cities like Kiev and Odessa to the ground - unless they have no other option.

Mir wrote:

Problem is that the Russians consider the real big cities in Ukraine as "Russian" cities. Further west is another matter all together but I think the Russians have no intention of razing cities like Kiev and Odessa to the ground - unless they have no other option.

Then no point to crying about strikes on Belgorod and Crimea

Carry on

Then stop crying

The claim about the supposed fire in some depot in Radom, Poland, with supplies destined to Ukraine is uncertain.


Local news claim the building was empty and unused, and that the fire was caused by homeless.



https://radioplus.com.pl/radom/76320-palil-sie-budynek-przy-ul-kolejowej

Odin of Ossetia wrote:


The claim about the supposed fire in some depot in Radom, Poland, with supplies destined to Ukraine is uncertain.


Local news claim the building was empty and unused, and that the fire was caused by homeless.



https://radioplus.com.pl/radom/76320-palil-sie-budynek-przy-ul-kolejowej

Them some mighty big explosions for a lil ole trashcan fire