It is only a signal to the dumb westerners that they can do something relevant. Anything. No matter how it irrelevant turns out at the end.
Part of the excuse game played by Bidenopolis and his handlers. Excuse 1: Ukros had only to retreat from Northern Kharkov because we didn´t deliver weapons for six month. Excuse 2: Ukros are only losing because we didn´t allow them to hit Russia. Excuse 3: Ukros are only losing because we didn´t send all that we could, including our most "sophisticated" weapons.
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Exactly. The sort of "M1 are being destroyed, but it is an old model stripped of supa dupa tech and ours are much better!". They will use this absurd till the very end, because a random voter must get his daily dose of brain damage.
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Wall Street Apes @WallStreetApes Do You Really Believe This Was “Just A Coincidence” Or Was It All Planned Out?
“So let me get this straight. On the same day that Donald Trump is found guilty on 34 felonies, 34 bullsh*t felonies, on the same day that we're all watching that, on the same day that every news media outlet in the country is covering that verdict being read. That's the day that Joe Biden and his administration quietly, very, very quietly, give Ukraine the authority to fire American made missiles into Russia.
Did I get that right? Yeah.
Because that wasn't planned at all. Right? Right?”
Because if it was all planned out, then that means they already knew the outcome of the trial and it was rigged.
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Massive attack of the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station and other Ukrainian energy facilities!
At night, energy facilities were attacked in Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Kirovograd, and Ivano-Frankivsk regions. The consequences are being clarified, said the Minister of Energy of Ukraine German Galushchenko.
Traffic along the Dnieper hydroelectric power station is temporarily blocked - patrol police of the Zaporozhye region (the detour is carried out through the Arch Bridge of Khortytsia Island (Sergei Tyulenin St. - Sechi St. - Taganskaya St.). And also through New Bridges and Khortitsky District).
http://t.me/RVvoenkor
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I will just remind you that 404 used to be electricity exporter. Soviet Union has left a giant oversized energy sector, considering the needs of independent Ukraine. We are talking not only about electricity production, but gas and oil transportation, storages and refining. All of that was forming a giant business. When Putin was saying about "decommunization", I was not aware not only that he is bloody serious, but how far he will go for that. As I have said, when this war ends, the remains of the corpse of what used to be Ukraine will be a shithole teleported back to the XIX century. Even rats will seek asylum.
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The 404 entity deserves everything it is getting. They had an easy choice of playing fair in 2014 but the Bandera-tards have nothing but hate in their peanut sized brains. They bought the delusion that they could ethnically cleanse all the "unclean" and now are going to have to ethnically cleanse themselves to their precious NATzO utopia.
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ALAMO wrote:Exactly. The sort of "M1 are being destroyed, but it is an old model stripped of supa dupa tech and ours are much better!". They will use this absurd till the very end, because a random voter must get his daily dose of brain damage.
But that's true, they are stripped models just like the models of Russian tanks Iraq had in Gulf war where monkey models.
Western politicians have all started reiterating quite openly as of late, that 'Russia cannot be allowed to win in the Ukraine'.
What does this tell you?
Many things... first of all that when they said at first that Russia has no right to invade the Ukraine and that HATO forces on Ukraine territory is no threat to Russia, but these same idiots are now saying Russian forces on Ukrainian territory is somehow a direct threat to all of HATO.
Russia couldn't beat Ukraine, but now it is a threat to HATO...
Second that they had their chance to sort this all our peacefully and they chose to let things be decided on the battlefield... well you can't change now that you are losing.
Third... who the **** cares what they think or want, they are irrelevant and incapable of either diplomacy or agreement.
That they're ready to go a lot further still than they already have.
But are they?
Most are outright refusing to send HATO troops, and it seems Moron has sent French troops... so lets see how they get on... I suspect they will be destroyed like all other HATO uber weapons... and France will have no one to blame but themselves... Russia already said no.
It's frustrating talking with you folks here, you're treating the matter too casually.
Not as frustrating as some of you guys who think if Putin was a total murdering and just leveled cities and used tactical nukes that it would be over by now.
Did excessive force work for HATO in Afghanistan?
What are their relations with Iraq like just now?
How about with Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Libya or Syria?
When did HATO actually get things right?
I would like to see things finished quickly and Russian soldiers and civilians no longer being killed, but the only way to do that right now would be to accept Zelenskys wish list and even if Putin did (which he would not) it is only a delay because in 10 years time they will do it all again... with more funding and better preparations.
Do it now and do it right and ignore pussies wanting them to go hard (that never works), or go home... (that wont work either).
They are cooking the bread... don't change the menu now.
They will STFU as soon as the leash will be pulled.
It seems HATO troops in Ukraine need to die, Kiev needs to try to strike deep inside Russia, and Russia needs to nuke some logistics and support centres and airfields that F-16s will be operating from in a HATO country for them to realise what they are saying is what they are saying...
Trying to pretend they are not fighting based on technicalities going to save them?
I doubt it:
Don't you love the irony that Moron is so stupid that he says he fears a Russian invasion of Europe so he does the one thing that will ensure Russia attacks Europe, which is sends French troops to Ukraine to fight Russian soldiers. The other thing of course is to give Ukraine long range weapons and tell them they can hit anyone they please...
dont you know Putin has cancer ? he was to expire already years ago, besider Russia run out of ammo in 2022. No wonder he considers resignation.
He also has the US election to rig, not to mention other elections happening around the world that needs to be subverted too.
Because if it was all planned out, then that means they already knew the outcome of the trial and it was rigged.
He is being prosecuted for what is essentially a non disclosure agreement, which is not illegal in any way, yet the admissions by the prosecution showed that there was no theft on the part of Trump, but his employees he used to execute this deal did steal from Trump and their crimes were real crimes.
The US of A is a joke.
Judicial persecution of political opponents is what the US accuses third world countries of doing...
But that's true, they are stripped models just like the models of Russian tanks Iraq had in Gulf war where monkey models.
Funny when the brainwashed calls others that
They would have been impressive in the 1980s, but are being taken out by $500 Russian drones with RPG warheads landing on them...
After ridiculing the Russians with their cope cages... as they called them, the cages they formulated for their own use were pathetic... both too weak to stop RPG warheads and too close to the armour to be effective... and of course the innate design of the vehicles with horribly thin top armour on the turret, engine bay and front hull makes them horribly vulnerable to any top attack weapons. I would say shaped charge 40mm grenades would present a real threat to the Abrams and the Leo II... and like the Challenger II as well.
No refunds though.
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ALAMO wrote:As I have said, when this war ends, the remains of the corpse of what used to be Ukraine will be a shithole teleported back to the XIX century. Even rats will seek asylum.
One of those rats is named Zelensky.
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I think we are seeing a transition. The latest round of recruits is barely trained and they are short of experienced commanders to lead them. The timing of the Russian expansion of the frontal pressure is optimal. Losses of 2000 per day are not sustainable.
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China clearly demonstrating that she will directly support Russia materially and via boots on the ground would alter NATO calculations immediately. North Korea also can have an outside influence. Putin' primary limitation is domestic politics which limits Russia's use of manpower. NATO clearly intends to expand strikes into all areas of Russia including production facilities for weapons. China has greater production capabilities than any country on earth and directly attacking China is not on the NATO agenda. China also obviously has a population almost ten times that of Russia. North Korea despite her small size has the fourth largest military in the world and critically a zealous and compliant force that includes hundreds of thousands of land forces. The one essential fact to keep in mind is Western military power is a mile wide and an inch deep - there is zero tolerance in America or Western Europe for tens of thousands of KIA. There will never be a draft successfully implements in the US - people would revolt in a heartbeat. Nobody is sending their kids to die for Ukraine or Israel in 2024. That is the West's Achille's heel. Money, weapons, war in the abstract, are fine - doesn't affect peoples' everyday lives. Draft notices in the mail - a whole different story. A joint military exercise on the Ukraine border with a several hundred thousand Chinese/North Korean troops participating would send a very powerful message, a message impossible to ignore. The Chinese leadership may not realize it, but this is their historic moment - step to the plate and the leadership of the world changes overnight, prevaricate and the current Chinese government seals their own long-term fate.
I think we are seeing a transition. The latest round of recruits is barely trained and they are short of experienced commanders to lead them. The timing of the Russian expansion of the frontal pressure is optimal. Losses of 2000 per day are not sustainable.
they are stripped models just like the models of Russian tanks Iraq had in Gulf war where monkey models.
Most "Russian" tanks in the Iraqi Army were made in Yugoslavia or China. Most had western (American or French) fire control systems added. That´s why they performed so badly.
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I think we are seeing a transition. The latest round of recruits is barely trained and they are short of experienced commanders to lead them. The timing of the Russian expansion of the frontal pressure is optimal. Losses of 2000 per day are not sustainable.
But Fritz assured me that the numbers will go down
calripson wrote:China clearly demonstrating that she will directly support Russia materially and via boots on the ground would alter NATO calculations immediately. North Korea also can have an outside influence. Putin' primary limitation is domestic politics which limits Russia's use of manpower. NATO clearly intends to expand strikes into all areas of Russia including production facilities for weapons. China has greater production capabilities than any country on earth and directly attacking China is not on the NATO agenda. China also obviously has a population almost ten times that of Russia. North Korea despite her small size has the fourth largest military in the world and critically a zealous and compliant force that includes hundreds of thousands of land forces. The one essential fact to keep in mind is Western military power is a mile wide and an inch deep - there is zero tolerance in America or Western Europe for tens of thousands of KIA. There will never be a draft successfully implements in the US - people would revolt in a heartbeat. Nobody is sending their kids to die for Ukraine or Israel in 2024. That is the West's Achille's heel. Money, weapons, war in the abstract, are fine - doesn't affect peoples' everyday lives. Draft notices in the mail - a whole different story. A joint military exercise on the Ukraine border with a several hundred thousand Chinese/North Korean troops participating would send a very powerful message, a message impossible to ignore. The Chinese leadership may not realize it, but this is their historic moment - step to the plate and the leadership of the world changes overnight, prevaricate and the current Chinese government seals their own long-term fate.
Not only is the re-emergence of Nazism in Europe, in the face of the Ukraine - a farce compared to its manifestation the previous century
But so is the new 'Operation Barbarossa' of the West to conquer Russia a farce compared to Nazi Europe's attempt in 1941 too.
Seriously, what are they thinking? Unlike pre-war Germany and Japan, these aren't any longer some militarist societies with a warrior tradition and whose populations were prepared to mobilize both for the war and on the home front. They don't have mass production of steel/vehicles/engines/ammunition - they outsourced it to Asia. They don't have militaries and officer corps with a decade of medals and achievements in conventional war. Their control of world finances and currencies didn't help them one ounce in breaking Russia. So what are they counting on now? Just smoke & mirrors, image and PR? Sending some French troops to the Ukraine and relying on cruise missile strikes to shake the confidence of Russia's people in their government?
They are desperate, they know they messed up. And desperate people can do dangerous things.
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ALAMO wrote:Exactly. The sort of "M1 are being destroyed, but it is an old model stripped of supa dupa tech and ours are much better!". They will use this absurd till the very end, because a random voter must get his daily dose of brain damage.
But that's true, they are stripped models just like the models of Russian tanks Iraq had in Gulf war where monkey models.
Funny when the brainwashed calls others that
and this is why der der der (sorry I saw it in the western press and social media sphere and I have to make fun of the stupidity of the people who posted it) the Russians have been bringing up T-62s and T-55s. Let me explain. NATO would love to get the electronic signals and gather all sorts of technical and electronic intelligence about Russia's latest weapons. Putin may be taking this war a bit too slow for your (when I say you or your I don't mean you, but just people in general) liking and he isn't using the big arrow offenses yet, and he isn't cratering Ukraine or turning NATO members into seas of glass like some want, but he is cognizant that NATO is giving Ukraine older weapons systems because they want to keep the war going for two reasons. One the MIC can make a huge profit off of NATO members cleaning out their old inventories and buying new stuff. Second, they are really hoping they can gather data and intel on modern Russian weapons like T-90, Armata (man wouldn't that be beneficial in a hot war), S-400, Pakfa, Su-27-37, MiG 31 etc. They kinda know how those Soviet era over the horizon nuclear warning radar sets work but they want to know all they can about systems they'd face in battle. So they send Ukraine junky tanks. Putin sends updated T-72s, and 55s and 62s not because Russia is running out of T-90s or the most up to date 72s, but because Russia has tens of thousands of these old tanks in their armor parks in Siberia that are only gathering dust so put some modern fire control stuff in there and let them fire current shells and NATO learns very little that they didn't already know. So really we are seeing a war of draining the tank parks and bone yards.
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they are stripped models just like the models of Russian tanks Iraq had in Gulf war where monkey models.
Most "Russian" tanks in the Iraqi Army were made in Yugoslavia or China. Most had western (American or French) fire control systems added. That´s why they performed so badly.
They also had training rounds, over half were constructed domestically in Iraq of low grade steel, next to none of them (if any of them) had any reactive armor or any other defense packages. So as you have said, these weren't the T-64s and T-72s NATO would be facing off against across the Fulda Gap
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The US had air dominance in Iraq and could engage in turkey shoots in the open terrain. Even if they had the bestest tanks, they would still have lost. The yanquis and their pets did not need a ground war until it was to time to roll everything up. Ukria is a whole other war and Russia has only manged to pacify Ukr AD recently. That is one of the main factors in keeping Russian losses low as the meat grinder cranks up.
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The stories by the NY Times about Budanov's glorious covert operations inside Russia are laden with BS. Swimming for hours in sub 20 C water. Yeah, right. They would be unconscious at the end of their swim. Killing Russian special forces but not losing any of their own. GTFO.
But it is interesting how the NY Times acts as a spread-out admission conduit for the US regime.
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2) just take the hits like you have for 2 years and stop crying about it because the alternative is MAD, your theory rests on the fact that a strike on NATO will somehow de-escalate the situation but you've been asleep at the wheel for 2 years and now you realize that your covered in shit
Take what hits?
The minute that NATO persuade themselves that Putin is an empty suit who will avert confrontation with them at every turn is the minute that they will dial things up from '0-100', in your words. And they will do that quickly. Regardless of whether Putin will be prepared to stand up to them and retaliate in the end or not. By then it will lead to full-scale war with certainty.
The past 2 years of this or that decision are not relevant, they haven't led to a NATO-Russia war as yet. What is relevant is the threat at hand. And either you deal with it correctly or it will deal with you, attempting to tolerate it is not an option because even if all these missiles could be shot down - these NATO strikes are not an end goal in and of themselves, they are there to prepare the way for other things such as NATO aircraft operating from NATO territory striking the Russian military, NATO ground forces being introduced into the Ukraine, strikes against Russian civilian infrastructure, the targeting of Russia's civilian and military leadership, and who knows what else. A lot of which they've been hinting at but that Russia has scared them off of up until now.
This is the matter at hand. Now what do you propose to do about it?
I don't understand why this line of thinking and whole discussion didn't happen when American Stykers were rolling into Belgrod , spans of the Crimean bridge were taken out and when the actual Kremlin spires were being hit by drones.
Obviously the total 100% non reaction to those events leads to a nuclear deterrence radar being hit. So here we are again and Putin will probably do nothing.The experts always convene and the answer always is to do nothing
This reminds me. It's time to go check Paul Craig Roberts blog. He has been sounding the Salem about this since 2021
flamming_python wrote:OK and acting like Israel in Gaza will reduce the imminent threat from NATO.. how exactly?
Your suggestion reads like impotence. Scared of NATO, so you propose devoting extra firepower to the Ukrainians alone. Did it work for Israel?
Just fight the war basically as it is being fought EXCEPT, when an attack like the Crimean bridge or Belgorod or the recent attack happens, retaliate with high level attacks right away. Completely level a Ukraine govt building every time an attack like this happens. Level every building around the US embassy. Don't hit the embassy. Just everything around it.
The Nato office in Ukraine. Why the **** is that still standing? The main international airport in Kiev. Why does it still function ? Level the main control tower. There is tons of targets like this.
The retards in US and Eu govt watch TV. They will see these attacks the next day and it will make a difference. They will be less hawkish.
I almost forgot about Nord stream 2. What was the reaction to that ? Nothing.
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So ALL this help NATO sending the Orcs , is it making Russia weaker or stronger ? Is it making Russia react more or less aggressively ? Is it uniting or dividing Russians against the enemy ? Is it making the Russian advances more or less urgent ? Is it shortening or lengthening the war ? Is it providing more or less opportunities to teach NATO nations a historic lesson ? Is it an impetus for greater or lesser effective weapon design ? So it is all good .
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At night, energy facilities were attacked in Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Kirovograd, and Ivano-Frankivsk regions. The consequences are being clarified, said the Minister of Energy of Ukraine German Galushchenko.
and just leveled cities and used tactical nukes that it would be over by now.
But Fritz assured me that the numbers will go down 
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