"......And let the use of Russian weapons by "regions" not yet named be as destructive as possible for their and our enemies. And let the "sensitive facilities of the states supplying weapons to Kiev" burn in the flames of hell. They will burn together with those who control them....... "
This means nukes for some , end to NPT and any nuke agreements or arms limitations . It means real attacks with casualties on NATO soil .
No wonder the Anglos leaders were tearful today for D- day remembrance .........
He is the guy that thought investing in farms in the Ukraine was a really good way to make money...- but his idea on An-26 must be judged on its own merits. Russia probably would not benefit from converting a transport plane of any size into a gun ship... the role is a bit redundant, and too vulnerable in most situations...
some situations may arise to make them wish they had them- it's still a hybrid war requiring hybrid planes & armor. Recall how they put & probaly still use old naval AA guns on tracked vehicles to shoot drones with. https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/06/russia-combat-vessels-caribbean-united-states IMO, their more numerous subs could be stationed there all year round. https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ships-black-sea-fleet-novorossiysk-1908856 https://regnum.ru/article/3893463 https://youtu.be/_cQdsxmFxas https://youtu.be/k8iGTaVWExg Russia may give LR missiles to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen Houtis, Libya, Algeria, Pakistan, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Serbia, & NK- that's 12 nations in the ME/N. Africa, S/NE Asia, L. America & Europe to keep American & allied targets under a constant threat.
So we have a naval grouping of 1 Gorshkov and 1 Yasen with support vessels and apparently aircraft (probably tu160) flying and sailing to Cuba/venezuela
We have VKS patrols at the golan heights
All this timed with Putin saying he would arm western adversaries
Very interesting, as of now 4 bears, 3 missile ships and 100 Gerans are hitting Ukraine for a combined strike of 56 missiles at most of the bears are fully loaded, probably 40 if they carry 4 missiles
And 100 strike drones
Probably kinzhal joins the fun
It could be the end of Ukrainian electricity tonight and the beginning of the new Russian foreign policy
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Just mobilize 500k more men and finish the war.
The current 500k Russian troops are not enough against 400k Ukrainians. 1m will be.
IMHO the Russian General Staff know exactly what they are doing, and they don't need to read our postings for new ideas
Peeps need to just sit back, be patient, and watch this unfold. I have no doubt that the history books will record this small uptick in the ongoing history of mass human violence as a total victory for Russia and a debilitating strategic loss for the US and its NATO quislings.
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caveat emptor wrote:Wake up call was Orange revolution in 2004. That didn't do much in a way of sobering up Russian political elites. Then 2013 came, without any activity on the Russian side before or during the event. Damage control could still be employed efficiently at the cost of several hundred lives, at most. Misreading of the situation in Ukraine by the Russian political structures and security agencies is such blatant example of complacency. And all this after Orange revolution and Georgian war of 2008. They've hardly learnt their lesson by the start of Belarussian protests. It helped that Lukashenko was not Yanukovich and he held up mostly on his own. After summing up results, of the "work" done in and around Ukraine, only person that was found guilty of anything was that idiot Surkov. No wonder SMO had to happen. It has to be seen as a failure of Russian foreign policies in near abroad and not some sort of a success. By propelling and believing in myths about one people-three countries and other nonsense, Russia was pushed with their backs against the wall and made to go for a hot war in 2022. From a standpoint of NATO planners, it has been a resounding success. You have tens of thousands Russians killed so far, while expending some idiot Ukrainians (part of the tripartite all-Russians) in the role of cannon fodder. Why should they care if Ukrainians lose hundreds of thousands of people in the process?
Thanks for the summary, but what does it have to do with Russia retaliating against NATO for attacks on Russian soil or not?
caveat emptor wrote:One thing that showed that Ukrainians operate by certain rules is that they didn't even try to strike Belarussian territory during 2022 and they could according to international law, as Russian army used territory and military bases for invasion.
They don't have any rules and are prepared to do anything, the only limiting factor is capability and the odd bit of common sense, such as not dragging Belarus into the war when their army is being pummeled as is already
JohninMK wrote: Military Summary@MilitarySummary
#UkraineRussiaWar The open and aggressive position of the collective West began to irritate Putin. It is clear that he is angry. He is rarely angry, but when he is angry, very terrible things can happen.
caveat emptor wrote: From a standpoint of NATO planners, it has been a resounding success.
On the contrary, when Russia wins it will be a catastrophic loss of face for the US and its Eurofaggot satraps. Russia will internally united, stronger than ever, her economy will be de-linked from the nefarious influence of the West and its endless sabotages, and her strategic relationship with China will be fully formed. The Chinese leadership will have been given a much needed wakeup call about the intrinsic untrustworthiness of both the US ruling class and their Eurotrash puppets, and will never again trust the words of the collective West. US efforts to ensnare India in their web of sweet lies will similarly fail, and the BRICS collective will grow as a real alternative to USD financial hegemony becomes a reality and nations flock to its banner in a bid to extracate themselbes from a deeply unfair and explotative global neoliberal capitalist system that was always designed to enrich the US and impoverise the rest of the planet.
Yeah, a great resounding success, but only if your sole KPI is a tally of dead bodies, US vs Russian. If 27M casulaties didn't destroy the USSR and prevent it recovering and emerging as a superpower, why the feck do these idiot clowns think that a worse case prospective loss of a few hundred thousand KIAs will defeat Russia and restore the US to unchallenged global primacy?
Play stupid (evil) games, win stupid prizes, and the US is about to "win" a frigging doozy.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:Well the US is saying Russia is sending ships and subs to Cuba and Venezuela for exercises
I wonder if Russia will bring nuclear weapons onboard to deliver to the Cubans and Venezuelans
Or maybe Russia can setup bases there and station their nukes there
I mean US gives nukes to many countries and so far Russia just has helped Belarus
Why not station some in La Orchilla and Havana to even it up?
This expedition to the Caribbean is for posing and thus a waste of time. Washington is not impressed by Russia's posing.
Arkanghelsk wrote:The solution is to hit them directly, kill their high level advisors in Ukraine
That's what Russia should have been doing since the start of the SMO
And if its not doing it yet, then starting to do it now will still be seen by the West as only a weak response to them attacking Russian units, officers, of whatever seniority happen to be there - on Russian territory
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On the contrary, when Russia wins it will be a catastrophic loss of face for the US and its Eurofaggot satraps. Russia will internally united, stronger than ever, her economy will be de-linked from the nefarious influence of the West and its endless sabotages, and her strategic relationship with China will be fully formed. The Chinese leadership will have been given a much needed wakeup call about the intrinsic untrustworthiness of both the US ruling class and their Eurotrash puppets, and will never again trust the words of the collective West. US efforts to ensnare India in their web of sweet lies will similarly fail, and the BRICS collective will grow as a real alternative to USD financial hegemony becomes a reality and nations flock to its banner in a bid to extracate themselbes from a deeply unfair and explotative global neoliberal capitalist system that was always designed to enrich the US and impoverise the rest of the planet.
Yeah, a great resounding success, but only if your sole KPI is a tally of dead bodies, US vs Russian. If 27M casulaties didn't destroy the USSR and prevent it recovering and emerging as a superpower, why the feck do these idiot clowns think that a worse case prospective loss of a few hundred thousand KIAs will defeat Russia and restore the US to unchallenged global primacy?
Play stupid (evil) games, win stupid prizes, and the US is about to "win" a frigging doozy.
This sounds great, hopefully it is a possible outcome
But the west didn’t get to where it is by being gentlemen and accepting defeat with a handshake
They won’t just call it a day and accept defeat, the west would rather destroy everything then to let someone else take their place
That’s why they are throwing the board
They aren’t going to allow Putin to just calmly carry out the SMO and its objectives through attrition
They will raise the stakes and escalate more and more until they force the issue themselves
Karl Haushofer wrote:Putin/Russia will do nothing. I'm amazed some people still believe in Kremlin.
They already started. You think the French being booted out of Africa and the trouble in Caladonia is just a accident? Why do you think the head Froggy acts like he has something up his butt.
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mnztr wrote:Is there no Ukrainian resistance that the Russians can organize and arm. For example start killing the conscription cops.
No one is left who wants to fight
They can conscript younger Ukrainians, but demographically they can’t take it, and it would cause serious issues as people are already rebelling against the TCC
That’s why the west is escalating as it is right now
They see the writing on the wall and they want to save their pet project
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On the contrary, when Russia wins it will be a catastrophic loss of face for the US and its Eurofaggot satraps. Russia will internally united, stronger than ever, her economy will be de-linked from the nefarious influence of the West and its endless sabotages, and her strategic relationship with China will be fully formed. The Chinese leadership will have been given a much needed wakeup call about the intrinsic untrustworthiness of both the US ruling class and their Eurotrash puppets, and will never again trust the words of the collective West. US efforts to ensnare India in their web of sweet lies will similarly fail, and the BRICS collective will grow as a real alternative to USD financial hegemony becomes a reality and nations flock to its banner in a bid to extracate themselbes from a deeply unfair and explotative global neoliberal capitalist system that was always designed to enrich the US and impoverise the rest of the planet.
Yeah, a great resounding success, but only if your sole KPI is a tally of dead bodies, US vs Russian. If 27M casulaties didn't destroy the USSR and prevent it recovering and emerging as a superpower, why the feck do these idiot clowns think that a worse case prospective loss of a few hundred thousand KIAs will defeat Russia and restore the US to unchallenged global primacy?
Play stupid (evil) games, win stupid prizes, and the US is about to "win" a frigging doozy.
This sounds great, hopefully it is a possible outcome
But the west didn’t get to where it is by being gentlemen and accepting defeat with a handshake
They won’t just call it a day and accept defeat, the west would rather destroy everything then to let someone else take their place
That’s why they are throwing the board
They aren’t going to allow Putin to just calmly carry out the SMO and its objectives through attrition
They will raise the stakes and escalate more and more until they force the issue themselves
By that time it may be too late
Things will get worse before they get better, that much is assured, but at the end of the day Russia is mobilised and her MIC is pumping, the loss ratios are overwhelmingly in her favour, and accursed Ukropisstain is being bled white. Russia has unrivalled escalation dominance along her own borders, and while the NATOstani minions can huff and puff and talk about sending in token forces, they can't project sufficient forces to defeat Russia on the battlefield, IMHO not even if they fully mobilise the Euro NATO armies. They can paint lurid fantasy pictures of NATO weaponry striking deep into Russia but even that won't do the trick as the likely damage will be managable and Russia will escalate and take off the gloves, both on Ukrop targets (eg the Verkhona Rada still stands as do most government buildings) and on selected NATO targets like those missile bases in Poland and Romania. Taking down US recon drones and satellites will send a sharp message to the Washington swamp. Longer term retaliation includes arming US adversaries Syria and Iran with strike assets (that will put a red hot coal between the neocons arse cheeks) and cosying up to the DPRK even more with technology transfers and modern fighters/submarines etc. Increased military co-operation with Cuba and Venezuela is another way to increase the general irritation level. There is so much that Russia can (and will) do before the spectre of nuclear weapons needs to be raised.
Now I'll put on my extremist cap...
As for nukes, Russia hasn't even issued any pointed warnings and the Wests elite muppets are all hand wringing and sooking about "Russian nuclear threats". If the West was able to successfully inflict damage on key Russian assets deep in her rear, all it will take IMHO is for Russia to conduct strikes on selected NATO targets and to give a clear, public warning to the global audience, growled through gritted teeth, that NATO is on the edge of nuclear apocolypse. Make it CRYSTAL CLEAR that should NATO choose to use Russian retaliation as an excuse for more escalation then the the planet will be at 11:59:59 on the Doomsday Clock. State it publically for the ENTIRE WORLD to hear that Russia WILL use nuclear weapons in direct general confrontation with NATO, and that Russia is FULLY PREPARED for the consequences. State it openly that Russia is prepared to make great sacrifices for her future, just as she has done in the past. State that she is prepared to suffer grevious injury as long as her enemies are eradicated, and while this is not her preferred outcome, and that she will work hard to prevent it, she WILL unleash hells fury should her enemies demand it. A world without a united Russian state is not an option, now or ever. If Russia must perish as a nation and a people due to the insane intransigence of her enemies, then so will the planet and mankind itself.
The US and its Eurofag fluffers will come to realise that fcking with Russia is simply going to result in a world of aggrevated rectal pain, both militarily and in terms of geoeconomics and geopolitics. In the worse case, their continuance in entertaining the wet dreams of neo-con crazies and neoliberal globalist private capital interests will result in their utter extinction. If that doesn't get thru to them then to hell with this 3rd rock. Scorch the fcking place to the subsoil and burn out the infestation known as the human race. Create a desert, call it peace, and wait a few hundred million years for another species to come to dominance, and lets hope they do a better job than our stupid race of barely-evolved arboreal primates.
Final note: New Zealand sounds like an ideal real estate investment as its unlikely Russia orChina will waste any warheads hitting a nation that has mostly kept it nose out of the big boys affairs. Its nice and remote and nuclear fallout won't reach it (much..). GarryB just might get some new neighbours if things go badly...
Kiko wrote:Russian ships will arrive in Cuba on June 12-17, 06.06.2024.
Cuban Foreign Ministry: a detachment of four ships of the Russian Navy will visit the port of Havana on June 12-17.
https://ria.ru/20240606/kuba-1951155260.html
Python is right, this is a waste of time
Americans ain't impressed
And don't even get me started on trying to do this song and dance routine with a submarine
It's like assuring USA that submarine in question will not be a threat for the duration of a trip
Slow clap...
I dunno, an above ground ICBM test in the Carribean launched from Venezuela might get Americans to wake up. As would a Joint Defense exercise involving an amphibious landing exercise in Cuba. Place S-400s and electronic Jamming equipment and reopening Naval bases, and practicing a seizure of Gitmo may really impress. By the way, what is the latest on the Desovietization of the Ukrainian electric grid? I heard there was an impressive raid slated for tonight.
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The SSGN Kazan' is armed with Tsirkon HS LA/AshCMs, so at least the USN top brass should be worried. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A-561_%C2%AB%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%C2%BB
I guess they want to keep SSGNs in the Western Atlantic/Carribean at all times, as the Soviet subs were during the Cold War.
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Russia does need to mobilize more men...threaten to use tactical nukes...Everything else will turn Ukraine into another Afghanistan and Russia can't afford that...They need to treat this conflict like it's life or death for the Russian nation...not play around with dragging this out with attrition warfare...this plays into NATO's hands...Gotta end this quicker....Pulverize the bandarists asap...
billybatts91 wrote:Russia does need to mobilize more men...threaten to use tactical nukes...Everything else will turn Ukraine into another Afghanistan and Russia can't afford that...They need to treat this conflict like it's life or death for the Russian nation...not play around with dragging this out with attrition warfare...this plays into NATO's hands...Gotta end this quicker....Pulverize the bandarists asap...
Russia should try to win this war like the Frsnco-Prussian War, using it's massive demographic advantage. So far it seems it's soming for a repeat of the American Civil War.
I haven't heard anything about a tracked version of the Pantsir, except for some exhibitions around eight years ago. The truck-based version has too high a center of gravity to shoot guns or missiles without hydraulic outrigger stabilizers.
The issue of firing on the move was always the missiles leaving the launch tubes cleanly, and that has been sorted out.
The guns don't generate that much recoil and the missiles don't generate any recoil at all.
A missile being damaged during launch can lead to the propellant exploding and doing damage to the launcher.
The guns firing on the move is unlikely to tip the vehicle over, and would just result in less accurate fire.
You make it sound like Ukrainians are morons. If that was the case why war isn't over yet?
They are morons... what you seem to think is brave ends up just being stupid.
The west traditionally called all Soviets Russians, so when Russia is killing half a million Ukrainians as far as the west is concerned that is just Useful Idiot Russians getting killed by Russians we want to damage.
The west does not care about the Ukrainians getting killed.
They are worried about what territory they can put bio weapon labs and HATO listening stations on and that is currently moving to the west...
ATACMS and HIMARS are operated by many countries. There's nothing special about them.
In fact Iskander and Smerch are superior to them in most regards.
Now the Russians have added a tool to their inventory... D-30SNs... a 300mm calibre glide bomb that can be released by aircraft or launched on the end of a Smerch rocket...
Same thing goes for Patriot. Ukraininan operated hundreds of S-300 systems before the war. I doubt that Patriot is much more complicated to operate.
S-300 isn't simple, but Patriot is probably horribly complicated to the point where US advisors are needed to operate it properly.
Russia didn't show teeth when it was needed and "red lines" existed and still do, only in words.
I don't agree there... when Kiev attacked the Crimean bridge the Russians did serious damage to their electricity grid and further provocations have led to further attacks.
And of course sea drone attacks have led to the destruction of several targets in Odessa that likely had HATO advisors present... not to mention the much vaunted grain deal that the west claimed the world would starve without. Seems that was not true either.
I said this initially but Putin, Lavrov, Ryabkov sound pretty serious
And they can be serious... notice they don't ask for sanctions to be lifted?
They understand these sanctions will last well beyond the war and things are not going to go back to anything like the way they were before this conflict...
Not need to pander to the enemy and they realise the west is the enemy now.
It is possible that Russia will hit NATO , without nuclear weapons OFC and through some plausibly deniable medium
If they do hit HATO then they wont want it to be deniable... that is western bullshit... they have a range of tools they can use they know will most likely get through and get the job done without any need for a nuclear warhead...
First of all they are morons, else they would never have ended up in this situation in the first place,
History repeats.... the Morons in Germany feeling hard done by getting screwed by the west over WWI which was no more their fault than anyone elses, but they got the blame and took all the punishment for that stupid pointless war... so a guy rises up and tells them it was someone elses fault... but of course instead of attacking the west who were the problem, they attack the Russians who you could argue suffered even more than Germany did over WWI... losing territory to Poland and gaining communism and Stalin... and his fancy speeches that whipped them up into a frenzy... got them 80 years of US occupation... which continues to this day.
For the Ukraine there was no Ukrainian in the Hitler role, it was Americans that whipped them up into an anti Russia frenzy, and we will see what the long term effect will be... but right now we can see how their male population has paid in blood for this stupidity.
Traditionally Russia is depicted as stupid in the west... why did they do what Stalin ordered them to do... why the mass attacks against Germans with machine guns in WWII... but that is only because they have the wrong facts.
And then the Ukraine would have started the war for us, only armed even better and with US long-range missiles at their disposal and perhaps some other things.
And dictating the conflict they could get a few good hits into Russia before the Russian forces got up to speed and hit back...
In fact Russia tried everything to avoid escalation and war but it turned out to not be an option. The opponent didn't give Russia that option. And they're not leaving Russia with many options now either. It's either respond now, or do nothing and have to respond later to a greater provocation and a graver threat.
Have to agree... Russia needs to declare HATO unmanned recon drones and HATO recon flights over the Black Sea to be legitimate targets and then start shooting them down.
They can't cut off all information sources, but they can limit them... if they weren't getting information from such flights then they wouldn't bother flying them.
So far he's been winning the war while keeping Russia pretty safe. So by default I have some faith in him and his team.
But now the enemy wishes to upset that equation, and Russia will have to adapt accordingly.
Zelensky and Putin have track records regarding adapting and evolving to meet new threats and new problems and my money is on Putin 100%.
They are programming a very complex attack which will bypass Russian air defense or saturate them and hit a sensitive object
They are finding tiny limited time gaps in a complex protective web and occasionally hitting an unimportant target as a result.
Russia has hundreds of S-400 radar vehicles along with hundreds of S-400 batteries... when you punch through defences like this you don't waste your time hitting the air defence systems because they can be replaced so your next attack will have the same problems getting through... probably even more problems because next time they will understand what is coming.
It would be like trying to get through Bidens security detail by shooting his bodyguards... if America only had 10 useful bodyguards and all the rest were shit then shooting bodyguards would make sense because when they run out you can hit the people they are protecting at will, but America has millions of potential body guards... it just makes more sense to shoot Biden or Hilary or Trump in the head and get the job done than try to hit bodyguards.
FP The West uses the tactic of boiling a frog. That's what he's doing to Russia. It is slowly escalating and Russia is not responding to it. There will be further escalations.
Nah... after decades of saying Russia is nothing and weak and fragile and a light kick and it will collapse... a third world gas station that doesn't make anything... they kicked and lost a foot.
They are escalating because for the last 30 years they have been "negotiating" by bullying. You hear it when they talk... we can't have peace talks now because Kievs forces are on the verge of collapse so how can Kiev dictate terms to Russia when it has no power. It needs to stop the Russian forces and push them back a few dozen kms or it need to sink the Kuznetsov or a Borey class SSBN or it needs to blow up a nuclear power station deep inside Russia and then they can make the demands they want to make.
But of course they can't do that... a few uber weapons that are getting shot down 90% of the time is not going to stop Russian forces let alone push them anywhere.
After 30 use of diplomacy from a position of strength where they can bully to get what they want they don't know how to talk to negotiate... all they do is give ultimatums and to do that you have to threaten escalation... how long before they are talking about giving Kiev tactical nuclear weapons so it can defend itself... and of course when they reach that level it is over.
Just like bioweapons labs and nazis and HATO membership was not enough... but I think it was talk of tactical nukes that led to Russia to attack... none of those individually would do it but all of them together and they had no choice because eventually they would move nukes there one way or another.
From a standpoint of NATO planners, it has been a resounding success. You have tens of thousands Russians killed so far, while expending some idiot Ukrainians (part of the tripartite all-Russians) in the role of cannon fodder. Why should they care if Ukrainians lose hundreds of thousands of people in the process?
In military terms it has made Russia realise the obvious and economically that is going to be rather bad for Europe because no more cheap energy, no more cheap resoruces, no more market for EU food and expensive products they used to make with cheap Russian energy and sell back at top dollar... no more selling new Airbus airliners or Boeings, and new competition for aircraft sales to the rest of the world too of course.
Your parents scared you to go to bed with the boogeyman... but they knew the boogeyman was made up.
Now he is real and he will be competing with you in Asia and Africa and Central and South America commercially.
Most of European trade goes to Asia and much of that will be going past or over or through Russia.
For decades Europe has been making money from Russia because Russia tended to sell through European vendors to the rest of the world... its oil and gas on European registered and insured shipping. Prices set on western markets. Money exchanged in US dollars and Euros.
Not any more.
And for what... so a few tens of thousands of young Russian men could be killed.
The irony is that they weren't a threat before but they certainly are now.
Russia should destroy Ukraine, kill its leadership, and push them out of range
Previously that would be out of the question because who then would you negotiate with... but of course in the Ukraine Zelensky is no longer the legitimate leader of the country and is probably the biggest impediment to peace talks so getting rid of him is probably a good idea now... but no hurry just yet.
I don't disagree with you, but there is always a plausible deniability in this case,
Why is the west so fixated with pausible deniability?
We gave weapons to terrorists and they attacked civilian targets but we don't tell them what to do... we just arm them so it is not our fault...
A local policeman wouldn't accept that excuse so why would Russia be OK with that?
The irony is that the west has a long history of openly lying and also doing very very bad things that break their own rules and international laws and when they are caught... they blame Snowden or Assange or Manning or plenty of other whistle blowers that took the fall for corruption and criminality in the western power halls.
They will ignore any rules even when they create them for themselves... when invasion became illegal they created new words for invasions... humanitarian intervention... but it is just an illegal invasion... pre-emptive self defence... an unprovoked attack... the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour is an excellent example of Pre-emptive Self Defence... but Americans didn't see it that way at the time.
How do you expect from anyone to take you seriously when you don't act upon your words?
The global south would be laughing at you to your face when you, as the west, says that to Russia.... or ANYONE.
Just mobilize 500k more men and finish the war.
The Ukrainian army is on the verge of collapse... Russia does not need to drag half a million men out of factories and schools... it just needs to broaden its target sheet and start hitting things it refrained from hitting before to destroy the western support for the conflict.
The west is most upset about their economies compared with the Russian economy which is doing rather better than theirs... the risk being Russian competition in the market of the Global South will be a real challenge for the west so getting them to shift to a war footing will damage their economy which is exactly what the west wants.
some situations may arise to make them wish they had them- it's still a hybrid war requiring hybrid planes & armor. Recall how they put & probaly still use old naval AA guns on tracked vehicles to shoot drones with.
Using up old stocks for jobs the old stocks could be still useful for... once they are gone then that frees up storage space for new stuff to be stored ready for next time.
Making transport plane gunships does not really make much sense for Russia... more sensible to use those transport planes as transports till they are worn out and then scrap them and replace them with new Russian designed and built replacements.
Thanks for the summary, but what does it have to do with Russia retaliating against NATO for attacks on Russian soil or not?
The fact that the Europeans want dead Russians and don't care how many dead Ukrainians are needed to make it happen suggests attacks against HATO might be the only way to get the attention of most Europeans because they are bastards. Several Europeans do care including in Italy as we have noticed who don't want to send troops to Ukraine. They don't care enough to stop the EU sanctions or stop sending weapons to Ukraine but it is something.
Less anger more decisions
Nah... anger to ensure the damage is directed at those that deserve it properly...
I trust he will achieve that as usual.
This expedition to the Caribbean is for posing and thus a waste of time. Washington is not impressed by Russia's posing.
I don't agree. The US is super sensitive regarding its neighbours to the south and really hates when Russia or China or anyone interferes... so this is a good little tickle to remind them that they have an underbelly too.
More importantly it is good to see Russia leaving the nest and visiting some of its further away allies that they often neglect a little... not to mention good experience for the Russia Navy to have a nice break away from war and tensions in Europe.
Perhaps a few missile tests could be performed...
Some sort of fake missile misfires and gets found by the US navy that leads them up the wrong path in their desperate attempts to catch up with hypersonic missile technology...
They aren’t going to allow Putin to just calmly carry out the SMO and its objectives through attrition
What sort of choices will they have?
Putin has started calling the west enemy... there wont be any handshakes after this conflict I don't think... not for a while... and thanks to the west Russia knows it does not need and is actually better off without its western "partners".
I dunno, an above ground ICBM test in the Carribean launched from Venezuela might get Americans to wake up.
Actually a TOPOL launch truck launching the TOPOL based satellite launcher rocket START-1 to launch a satellite while they are down there would be interesting...
Launch a few satellites for local universities... would be great publicity and the Americans will say a test for launching ICBMs from a whole new direction...
Russia does need to mobilize more men...threaten to use tactical nukes...Everything else will turn Ukraine into another Afghanistan and Russia can't afford that..
Mobilising more men wont help Russia, and threats are empty unless you follow through. Ukraine is not going to be another Afghanistan... it would be too easy to make life unbearable for the general population... damaged electricity grids is one thing now but as winter approaches will the west be able to continue to send electricity into the Ukraine when the gas and oil from Russia stops... remember end of December the contracts need to be renewed... will Russia even bother?
Not to mention the US elections...
61 billion likely bought a lot of poor people to come and bleed in the Ukraine for Kiev but I doubt they will see any money and so fights and insurrection are rather more likely outcomes than Afghan level resistance for a foreign country that stiffs you on your payments every chance it gets.
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Making transport plane gunships does not really make much sense for Russia...
only a few of them for patrolling & defending their bases on the Black Sea coast won't hurt the rest of the fleet IMO. When needed, they could be converted back to transports, just like any variant of a C-130 or An-12 can be. In fact, they may already have guns installed on those An-26s used as MPA. There was even a plane converted into An-26LL-PLO (Letayuschaya Laboratoriya – Protivolodochnoy Oborony – ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) testbed) : A single An-26A aircraft, (c/n 0901), retrofitted and modified to accommodate range of sophisticated laboratory for surveillance systems, detecting and tracking stealthy nuclear submarines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-26
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Russia does need to mobilize more men...threaten to use tactical nukes...Everything else will turn Ukraine into another Afghanistan and Russia can't afford that..
Mobilising more men wont help Russia, and threats are empty unless you follow through. Ukraine is not going to be another Afghanistan... it would be too easy to make life unbearable for the general population... damaged electricity grids is one thing now but as winter approaches will the west be able to continue to send electricity into the Ukraine when the gas and oil from Russia stops... remember end of December the contracts need to be renewed... will Russia even bother?
What bothers me most about the doomers who complain about the way Putin manages the SMO is that a lot of these people were the ones who fled Russia when the first 300,000 men were mobilized, even when many of them were exempt from service.
They act as if the Ukraine hasn't been shooting NATO-supplied missiles at Russian territory long before NATO openly gave their blessings to do so, what exactly has changed since then? Mostly nothing. Russia already said what will happen when NATO gives the Ukraine long range weapons to use against Russian territory.
Russia is killing... not injuring, killing 10,000+ Ukrainian troops per week and people are losing their minds over the words of cowards who are too scared to fight Russia directly. Literally the only thing Russia needs to do is move the front line 300km West of the Russian border to make those weapons almost meaningless.
All in all, I trust Putin and his people way more than the chickenshit doomers, troll farm employees and unhinged, bored people commenting here as far as the best way to achieve results in the SMO.
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