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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:04 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Those oligarchs were somebodies maybe in London when they owned football clubs, but in Russia today they are nobodies. Just rich guys with big mansions and yachts that's it.

    Russia is run by Putin and the security council, although that doesn't mean they ignore everyone else's interests. Just that they are the ones making the final decisions.

    He still has to reckon with the 104 big money men in Russia

    Abramovich was negotiating in Istanbul in 2022 and Rotenberg and Volozh also has some power until they had to flee to Israel

    He has the sovereign power, but he still has to bargain with these men
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:07 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Yes, all this is to be expected.  But those drones need to go down.  Yemen does it quite often.

    Only one issue, those drones are flying among flight of civil jets in the black sea.  Even if they fly roughly 20K above the rest, if shot down, may damage civil jets below it.
    Yemen is not running globe spanning ISR missions that would be jeopardized if drones start getting put on the menu.

    Unfortunate that civilians die. But Russia loses a lot more if ISR assets start getting blasted at this juncture.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:07 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Those oligarchs were somebodies maybe in London when they owned football clubs, but in Russia today they are nobodies. Just rich guys with big mansions and yachts that's it.

    Russia is run by Putin and the security council, although that doesn't mean they ignore everyone else's interests. Just that they are the ones making the final decisions.

    He still has to reckon with the 104 big money men in Russia

    He has the sovereign power, but he still has to bargain

    Only to the extent that they run the big enterprises and know what they're talking about when it comes to profits vs losses and creating jobs and so on

    In that sense sure, Putin has to listen to their concerns and try to find a solution.

    But their money in and of itself brings them no power. Russia's sovereign wealth fund, treasury and earnings eclipse their own valuations several fold.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:12 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Only to the extent that they run the big enterprises and know what they're talking about when it comes to profits vs losses and creating jobs and so on

    In that sense sure, Putin has to listen to their concerns and try to find a solution.

    But their money in and of itself brings them no power. Russia's sovereign wealth fund, treasury and earnings eclipse their own valuations several fold.

    If you can elbow your way into a negotiation with Ukraine about an existential threat like war in 2022 , you have way more say then just financial and business matters
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:14 pm

    lyle6 wrote:

    Unfortunate that civilians die. But Russia loses a lot more if ISR assets start getting blasted at this juncture.

    Not buying that, west has way more bases and assets exposed than Russia and is spread thinly among 800 bases

    This is just cope that everything is going to plan

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:17 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:If you can elbow your way into a negotiation with Ukraine about an existential threat like war in 2022 , you have way more say then just financial and business matters

    I don't buy that. Abramovich was just someone that both Russia and the UK found acceptable as a go-between, given that he has a lot to lose in both countries.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:24 pm

    The oligarchs don't have much power. They had no choice but to go back to Russia and with that, Putin and rest of the government know they got them by the balls.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:25 pm

    Medvedev made another angry Telegram post today

    That'll show 'em!

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:27 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Not buying that, west has way more bases and assets exposed than Russia and is spread thinly among 800 bases

    This is just cope that everything is going to plan
    Bases are short for base of operations. What the **** do you think they are doing in those places other than sit around suck air and eat mortar fire? Razz

    Point is, America has bases and cultivated relationshits with all sorts of traitors in every shithole on this planet. Russia can't possibly match that without drones and sats.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:29 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Medvedev made another angry Telegram post today

    That'll show 'em!

    **** , this guy needs his TG account blocked

    He makes it worse with these pathetic comments that no one takes seriously

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:43 pm

    RIP father Kotelnikov

    A man who believed in the unity of Russia

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    Post  billybatts91 Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:46 pm

    Putin's half-assed approach and not backing up his tough talk leads to NATO terrorists getting more bold and aggressive...

    https://x.com/jurgen_nauditt/status/1804963139995500751

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:54 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    **** , this guy needs his TG account blocked

    He makes it worse with these pathetic comments that no one takes seriously

    He is a clown at this point. Nobody takes him seriously in Russia or abroad. Too much useless vitriol.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:57 pm

    It's Daegestan. These stans, predominantly Muslim regions, are shitholes filled with Islamic extremists and easy to control from outside using their religion.

    It's always been a hotbed for Russia.

    I'm more concerned for the civilians of Crimea.  As harsh and sad as that sounds.

    Before people start giving me some anecdotal evidence of "what about Tatarstan?", there are always exceptions to a rule. Majority of the rest are bad. If funding for Chechnya dried up, it would devolve to same thing as Daegestan.

    Anyway, hopefully this gets resolved sooner than later. Spreading through daegestan these attacks.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:06 pm

    151 people are injured from Ukraines attack in Crimean Beach.

    Russia will not act. It will launch missiles and drones at various buildings but that's it.

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    Post  billybatts91 Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:08 pm

    The whole West is funding this war, they're helping Ukraine attack inside Russia now and Putin is scared to take out their drones in the black sea which are helping to kill Russian civilians...

    Is Russia listening to China who are telling them to not retaliate like they should? Is Putin a coward... Is Putin waiting for Trump to win and hoping he could talk with him? Is it a combination of these things? It makes no sense...

    https://x.com/Navsteva/status/1804966751597142187
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    Post  billybatts91 Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:10 pm

    sepheronx wrote:It's Daegestan. These stans, predominantly Muslim regions, are shitholes filled with Islamic extremists and easy to control from outside using their religion.

    It's always been a hotbed for Russia.

    I'm more concerned for the civilians of Crimea.  As harsh and sad as that sounds.

    Before people start giving me some anecdotal evidence of "what about Tatarstan?", there are always exceptions to a rule.  Majority of the rest are bad.  If funding for Chechnya dried up, it would devolve to same thing as Daegestan.

    Anyway, hopefully this gets resolved sooner than later. Spreading through daegestan these attacks.  

    Putin is too respectful to Islam...This is what treating them with kid's gloves gets you...
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:15 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:The whole West is funding this war, they're helping Ukraine attack inside Russia now and Putin is scared to take out their drones in the black sea which are helping to kill Russian civilians...

    Is Russia listening to China who are telling them to not retaliate like they should? Is Putin a coward... Is Putin waiting for Trump to win and hoping he could talk with him? Is it a combination of these things? It makes no sense...

    https://x.com/Navsteva/status/1804966751597142187

    That’s the cope dude

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:22 pm

    sepheronx wrote:151 people are injured from Ukraines attack in Crimean Beach.
    Russia will not act.  It will launch missiles and drones at various buildings but that's it.
    don't worry, fall & winter cold is only 3 months away in Ukraine, so ther's plenty of time to level the power grid even more substantialy than before.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:28 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    don't worry, fall & winter cold is only 3 months away in Ukraine, so ther's plenty of time to level the power grid even more substantialy than before.  


    lol some kh101 will fly to Starokonstantinov a 7th time, maybe Stryi a 10th

    And this will get swept under the rug , and they’ll arrest some low level MOD clown

    Give the coping cheerleaders some new software updates

    And just go back to 6D chess
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:31 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:151 people are injured from Ukraines attack in Crimean Beach.
    Russia will not act.  It will launch missiles and drones at various buildings but that's it.
    don't worry, fall & winter cold is only 3 months away in Ukraine, so ther's plenty of time to level the power grid even more substantialy than before.  
    Ukrainians are brotherly people for Russians. Why would Putin do something like that?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:36 pm

    to empty the big cities & disable the MIC sites, degrading the Ukr. ability to fight.
    US/NATO did the same to Serbs & Iraqis.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:37 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:to empty the big cities & disable the MIC sites, degrading the Ukr. ability to fight.
    US/NATO did the same to Serbs & Iraqis.
    And Serbia is now supplying Ukraine with weapons. What does that tell you?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:42 pm

    NK was bombed & sanctioned to a pulp by the US, but now is suplying ammo. to Russia. The same with UAVs from Iran.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:48 pm

    https://t.me/infomil_live/7468

    The media report that as a result of the CTO in Derbent and Makhachkala, 6 militants were eliminated.

    All of them are natives of the village of Sergokala; according to the same media, the militants were led by the son of the head of the Sergokala region, Omarov, who has already been detained.

    Informant

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