Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:watch the debate, Trump said if Russia doesn't come to the table and make a deal he will flood Ukraine with more weapons then ever before he did say IF Ukraine doesn't come to the table earnestly either he will cut them off.
For the most part he was saying "you two work out a deal you can live with or else I'll do this"
Yeah i watched the debate, he did not fucking say that. I dare you to try to timestamp that.
He is fully aware for any kind of deal to happen to end a war is the requirement Russia has in its proposal to end the war is monitor what goes in and out of the country to guarantee know no NATO ascension. Doing the my way or the highway approach would not get any kind of deal signed. I dont know what alternative universe you were watching the debate in but Trumps own words from his debate, "war should have never started, we are so close to WW3, Ukraine is losing, we are wasting billions in this war."
Assuming we were both in the same universe watching this debate here you go.
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Military expert Onufrienko: Russian offensive in the Kharkov direction forced the Ukrainian Armed Forces to leave the left bank of the Dnieper.
Pressure from the Russian Armed Forces in the Kharkov direction and in Donbass led to the Ukrainian Armed Forces having to leave the left bank of the Dnieper to close gaps in other areas of the front. Nevertheless, the enemy will periodically send small groups to the islands near the left bank of the Dnieper, since this bridgehead has important propaganda significance for the Ukrainian authorities. Military expert Mikhail Onufrienko told Vzglyad about this.
"The Ukrainian Armed Forces spent huge forces on the left bank - sometimes full battalions remained there. But then the Ukrainian Armed Forces encountered problems in the Kharkov and Zaporizhzhya directions, as well as in the area of the settlement of Chasov Yar. Now the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have enough trained reserves to close all the gaps. Therefore, they had to leave the left bank of the Dnieper," said military expert Mikhail Onufrienko.
“After this, the islands on the Dnieper, which covered small enemy outposts on the left bank, came under our attack. Now the Ukrainian Armed Forces are losing their reason to stay on the islands. But it is also unprofitable for Russian forces to keep personnel on these islands, because it is convenient for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to attack our positions from the high right bank. All this can lead to unnecessary losses,” the interlocutor continued.
“Therefore, I think the balance of power in these areas will remain in its current form. We will gradually identify and destroy individual enemy groups on the islands. And the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will continue to send them there, since this bridgehead has important political and propaganda significance for the authorities in Kyiv,” the analyst concluded.
On Sunday morning it became known that the Russian Armed Forces had driven the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the left bank of the Dnieper. "The fighting has moved to the islands, our army has stepped up its actions. The enemy has been driven out of the left bank," TASS quotes Vladimir Saldo, governor of the Kherson region.
In his Telegram channel , he also reported that Russian paratroopers paralyzed the work of enemy drones in one of the areas of the Kherson direction.
"During reconnaissance, a Russian UAV crew of the Airborne Forces regiment discovered an enemy repeater located on a tower. It allowed enemy drones to reach our positions on the left bank of the Dnieper. The command decided to destroy the repeater with their own drone. It took the crew of Russian paratrooper drone operators only a few minutes to complete the combat mission and paralyze the control of the enemy drones," the head of the region said.
Earlier, military expert Alexey Leonkov told the newspaper VZGLYAD that the main goal of the Russian army in the Kharkov direction is to retain positions already occupied.
https://vz.ru/news/2024/6/30/1275572.html
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Meet Natalya Samoilova, a major from the 80th Airborne Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and one of the most dangerous sniper of the Ukrainian armed forces
She is known for the fact that she actively participated in the extermination of the Russian people in the Donbass from the age of 14, she underwent training in NATO countries and in less than 8 years she rose from a private to a major.
During the execution of the Russian prisoners by the soldiers from her brigade, she appeared on television and stated:
“All Russians deserve this fate, every Russian military man should be shot, every Russian person should be killed, we will continue to do this.”
Yesterday, during reconnaissance in force in the Kharkov direction, Russian forces captured her ALIVE.
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1807343655268544889
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JohninMK wrote:Good news for Sunday. My crystal ball forecasts that a particularly nasty penal colony is in this woman's future.
Meet Natalya Samoilova, a major from the 80th Airborne Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and one of the most dangerous sniper of the Ukrainian armed forces
She is known for the fact that she actively participated in the extermination of the Russian people in the Donbass from the age of 14, she underwent training in NATO countries and in less than 8 years she rose from a private to a major.
During the execution of the Russian prisoners by the soldiers from her brigade, she appeared on television and stated:
“All Russians deserve this fate, every Russian military man should be shot, every Russian person should be killed, we will continue to do this.”
Yesterday, during reconnaissance in force in the Kharkov direction, Russian forces captured her ALIVE.
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1807343655268544889
She is a Russian woman. Such a tragedy.
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JohninMK wrote:
Yesterday, during reconnaissance in force in the Kharkov direction, Russian forces captured her ALIVE.
at least they couls have cut her tendons or shoot knees
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JohninMK wrote:Meet Natalya Samoilova, a major from the 80th Airborne Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and one of the most dangerous sniper of the Ukrainian armed forces
Yesterday, during reconnaissance in force in the Kharkov direction, Russian forces captured her ALIVE.
Should've executed her on the spot. Too risky giving this piece of human garbage a chance play the "I'm a woman" card and escape punishment, like the Nazi medic bitch that was caught trying to sneak out of Mariupol with 2 kidnapped kids but released anyway.
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Broski wrote:JohninMK wrote:Meet Natalya Samoilova, a major from the 80th Airborne Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and one of the most dangerous sniper of the Ukrainian armed forces
Yesterday, during reconnaissance in force in the Kharkov direction, Russian forces captured her ALIVE.
Should've executed her on the spot. Too risky giving this piece of human garbage a chance play the "I'm a woman" card and escape punishment, like the Nazi medic bitch that was caught trying to sneak out of Mariupol with 2 kidnapped kids but released anyway.
That stupid whore who staged the terrorist attack during which Vladlen Tatarsky was killed was sent to rot in a colony for 27 years.
It is unlikely that this Nazi scum will receive a more lenient punishment.
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As for the news itself, check your sources. I saw exactly the same text back in March. And this text was nothing more than an advertisement for Yuri Podolyaki's telegram channel.
So check your sources especially carefully.
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She is a Russian woman. Such a tragedy.
She is exactly the sort of nazi the Russians went in there to eliminate.
I am sure she will be popular...
at least they couls have cut her tendons or shoot knees
I am sure her knickname will be "theme park". Very popular... the ride will be free.
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In the waters of the Odessa port has long been operating a group of dry cargo ships with non-Ukrainian home port, which for a long time do not go anywhere, making maneuvers towards the Crimean peninsula for a short time and returning to the roadstead of Odessa, reports Infantmilitario
These activities are carried out in preparation for strikes on Crimea
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Some of those elites may lose power soon,as there many far right forces that r tired of being subservient to the EU/US rule, & its participation in the war in Ukraine, & that want better relations with the RF, Iran, & PRC which would lead to restoration of trade to enable them to go back to better economic times.
The Europeans are loyal little dogs, but even an idiot could see a few very important things... first of all US interests led Europe into war, and the US is supposed to be protecting Europe from war when in actual fact they made war necessary for Russia when it really wasn't necessary for the people of Europe or the Ukraine.
Second US interests have led to a dramatic collapse of living standards in Europe and a trade war with Russia and with China which is going to do even more damage to the west.
The US is supposed to be protecting Europe from war and from Russia and yet it is not, and making war with Russia more likely rather than less likely.
How long can EU poliicians ignore the failures of their policies in regard to Russia and in regard to relations with the US?
Probably until the next elections I am guessing because the people will get a say then and only then in the great democracies of the western world.
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However, such brazen propaganda is still harmful since there are still gullible people out there, inside and outside of Russia who are susceptible to this kind of lies. Russia has announced measures to counter NATO social media (propaganda tools) by propping up its own local social media outlets, but it has been a couple of years and there is still no significant progress in this area.
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T-90 tanks in the Special Military Operation zone have reportedly received the latest Russian 'Telnik' shells.**
A video unpacking the ammunition appeared on June 30, after which analytical channels began speculating on how the tactics of Russian tank units might change.
What is it about?
The 3VOF128/3OF82 'Telnik' is a shell with pre-formed submunitions that can detonate at a precise point upon approaching the target. The weapon operator can choose the direction of the fragments—either forward in a cone or in a circular pattern.
These shells allow for the effective targeting of infantry in trenches or fields, which are extremely difficult to hit with a direct hit from a conventional tank shell.
The 'Telnik' contains 450 tungsten rods and can create a fragmentation field of 2,500 fragments with specific directional focus. The shell is equipped with a multi-mode fuse, allowing for precise adjustment of the ammunition based on the type of target.
The detonation point, considering the most optimal impact of the fragmentation field on the target, is calculated by the laser rangefinder included in the multi-channel sight of the 'Sosna-U' tank gunner.
How will the tactics of using tanks with such shells change?
The use of the 'Telnik' will allow for more flexible tactical adjustments in the use of tanks within assault and support groups. The caliber of the ammunition and the principles of its use remain unchanged. Given that there are not many direct tank duels in the Special Military Operation zone, this type of combat vehicle is gradually returning to its original purpose—to provide fire support to infantry using cover and fortifications.
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I may be the only one to think this, but I DO NOT believe that Putin or the RFAF ever engages in retaliation. It makes no sense.
Retaliation, per se, makes no difference to thugs who have no qualms about committing terrorism. Even threats of severe consequences, like the death penalty, do not deter ideological haters and killers.
I believe that each and every attack by Russia upon Ukraine has a practical, immediate, tactical purpose, initiated from previous intel which needed to be done anyway in the cause of the SMO. A Kinzhal strike over to Lvov is not just fired in anger! So called retaliation missions are more likely brought forward from as yet unactioned plans.
In my opinion, Russia does not hold a psychology of punishing the Ukrainian people for the sins of their nazi leaders. Putin has many times said as much. So anyone who equates bombing the electricity network to punish Kiev or inconvenience the populous as revenge for some AFU or SSB action are misreading the situation.
Of course, all leaders must talk about retaliation to assuage the vengeful types within their electorate, and make some kind of show about it. But revenge missions are not just arbitray attacks.
Even the Crokus Cinema attack did not elicit some fearsome payback of 100 dead or injured Ukrainians. The next days were just business as usual whilst also prosecuting a few extra missiles upon orevioysly known AFU depots and troop strongholds. But so long as they were announced as payback, everyone was happy. It never changed Kiev's M.O. or the trajectory of the SMO.
Imo, retaliation by Russia upon Ukraine is an imagined dramatisation. That's not to say a petulant child like Zelensky doesn't plot and order revenge strikes against Russia for what he sees as their affrontery to repossess Crimea and the Donbass. It's loosers who need to resort to retaliation. The strong just keep on doing what is most effective.
The attitude of the God-I-wish-Putin-would-retaliate-more-strongly brigade here in MoA, I just see as a remnant Western-Judeo-Biblical Punishment Syndrome, that wrathful righteousness which the Israelis (and Yanks) like to exercise upon lesser beings. Imo, Putin plays a higher morality game than that.
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It was not revenge as such because it achieves military goals as well... but the core differences is that the nazis are desperate for success and resort to soft targets like bakeries and markets, while the Russians hit military targets that eliminate threats and military resources to speed up the result of the conflict.
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JohninMK wrote:
Retaliation, per se, makes no difference to thugs who have no qualms about committing terrorism. Even threats of severe consequences, like the death penalty, do not deter ideological haters and killers.
It does make a difference when these thugs/decision makers will face personal consequences. For example their family members are killed in retaliation.
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Why isn’t Pantsir enough with its main gun? Is it too minimally elevated to aim in negative degrees?
You’d think some ATGM with FCS would be a good stop gap
I wonder why 57mm programmed shells from derviatsiya are also not employed for the FPV threat
It’s not like you need many , only a few concentrated where Russian assault detachments are operating
That with Sosna R you would think would make a good combo against FPV, cheapest? No
But it would save many lives from the overhyped FPV threat
Idk what problems there could be with procurement of those systems
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Ukrainian sources report that Iskander cluster missile strikes are corrected by Russian reconnaissance drones.
https://vk.com/video-206639135_456289519
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:....
watch the debate, Trump said if Russia doesn't come to the table and make a deal he will flood Ukraine with more weapons then ever before he did say IF Ukraine doesn't come to the table earnestly either he will cut them off.
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That would be fuckin outstanding
With such flood of hardware Ukraine will have no excuse whatsoever to slow walk the total conscription and they will finally start throwing 18 year olds and younger into the wood chipper
Donnie 2024 !!!
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She is a Russian woman. Such a tragedy.
She is exactly the sort of nazi the Russians went in there to eliminate.
I am sure she will be popular...
Even dudes in Black Dolphin deserve a weekend of entertainment every couple of decades...
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