Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

lyle6 wrote:

Arrow wrote:The French are probably the most independent when it comes to MIC. Its own Rafale, SAMP anti-aircraft systems, supersonic maneuvering missiles, nuclear weapons, SSBN ships with its own SLBM, the new and certainly advanced SSN Barracuda, its own aircraft carrier.

In name only. Scratch the surface and its an international supply chain ecosystem with thousands of outside failure points that powers the whole thing.

Agree. Most of the components inside any french weapon is mostly from US origin, produced by Taiwan or dependant on supply lines that can be cut off by the US.

Interesting option.

https://t.me/rybar/61806

    On the possible dam break in Kiev: why are they talking about it now?

    In recent days, the possibility of the destruction of the Kiev hydroelectric power station has entered the news agenda : officials mention it, and the results of modeling the consequences of such an outcome are published online. Against the backdrop of what is happening, there are also conversations about a similar threat to the Kanev hydroelectric power station in the Cherkasy region.

    According to upper estimates, if the dam breaks, the Kiev reservoir could affect up to 80 settlements and flood several districts of the capital, where the total number of victims will be 900 thousand people. And if the dam in Kanev is destroyed , about 150 cities and villages will be under water, including the coastal zone of Cherkasy.

    Why did this topic come up right now?

    Talk about the potential destruction of part of the cascade on the Dnieper appeared precisely against the backdrop of discussions about the possibility of NATO's direct participation in the conflict in the so-called Ukraine in light of the deteriorating situation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. A humanitarian catastrophe could serve as an excellent information backdrop.

    As recent years have shown, for the sake of media effect, the Kiev regime is ready to take measures that are completely contrary to common sense. There are plenty of examples - from the failed offensive on the Belgorod region on the eve of the elections in Russia to similar forays into Crimea.

    By the way, it is not the first time for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to blow up dams near the capital - in March 2022, they destroyed the dam on the Irpen, flooding almost 3 thousand hectares. So the authorities of the so-called Ukraine may well arrange something similar on a much larger scale for the sake of the desired image.

    Another point is the deterioration of Ukrainian infrastructure, which is often in a state of disrepair. The same Kiev hydroelectric power station was damaged in 2022, and in light of decades of mismanagement, it may collapse on its own. The authorities of the so-called Ukraine will immediately take advantage of this, blaming Russia for what happened.

    Another thing is that all this will not necessarily lead to the desired result - it is not at all a fact that even if part of Kiev is flooded, NATO will suddenly decide to send its troops to the front lines. And the information noise with accusations of ecocide will fade away in a month or two, as happened after the explosion of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station.

    However, when did such inconsistencies ever stop the Kiev regime, which is ready to use the dirtiest tools even for a short-term media effect?

Anyone who does not love the Kiev regime and says any truth about Ukria gets put on this kill list.

That is the funny thing though is it not... the nazis will turn on anyone who says anything nice about Russia or Putin even when it is true, so many hard core Kiev supporters telling the truth about their actual situation now can get onto that death list simply for being honest...

They dug their own hole... when it starts to rain the bottom of the hole turns to mud... enjoy, idiots.

In the telegram link, fighterbomber shares a radio conversation between a su-34 and an operator (maybe awacs) during a mission in which it gets attacked by a Nasam and a patriot. They manage to detect the radar activation and missile launches and guide the su-34 to do evasive manoeuvres but missiles explode quite close. The su-34 however seems to need help for this because it can't do it on its own. They engage at 60km. The translation is really shitty in french though. Maybe you will get better on your side. Intersting it's so easy to detect them but they don't seem to launch kh-31s.

You can find that audio on the fighterbomber YouTube channel as well.

Isos wrote:In the telegram link, fighterbomber shares a radio conversation between a su-34 and an operator (maybe awacs) during a mission in which it gets attacked by a Nasam and a patriot. They manage to detect the radar activation and missile launches and guide the su-34 to do evasive manoeuvres but missiles explode quite close. The su-34 however seems to need help for this because it can't do it on its own. They engage at 60km. The translation is really shitty in french though. Maybe you will get better on your side. Intersting it's so easy to detect them but they don't seem to launch kh-31s.

https://x.com/krakek1/status/1811372708011143402

Quite distorted information.
1. The recording clearly says that three Patriot missiles are being observed.
2. One of the pilot's explanations says "the explosion was so close that I felt a vibration and my ears were blocked" and also "the entire right side of the side failed - so you can't hear what the co-pilot says - his connection also failed."

So, apparently, the Su-34 withstood the close detonation of the missile and retained the ability to maneuver, as well as evaded two more anti-aircraft missiles. In addition, it becomes clear that the air situation in the combat zone is completely under the control of Russian radars - as the Su-34 crew is helped to evade anti-aircraft missiles by personnel from the command post.

P.S. Judging by the audio recording, the Su-34 was maneuvering with fairly high overloads - you can hear the pilot's tense breathing. Rita's "speed limit" warning is also heard.

The airspace is still to much contested by the ukrainians. If they can detect the launch of the missiles or the activation of the radars they should be able to know where the trucks are and send either kh-31 or iskanders at them. Patriot is semi mobile and would take plenty of time to move (specially at the front where they need to hide any vehicle so they are not that fast to move). Sending coordinates, launching an iskander or two, and them hitting the target should take 10min at most.

The su-34 also being almost shot down 60km away even when it knows where the missiles are coming from is also bad. It should have time to go very low behind mountainous area and loose the lock. They were probavly flying very high to launch gliding bombs.

Not that good overall experience IMO. They struggle too much against the patriots.

Isos wrote:In the telegram link, fighterbomber shares a radio conversation between a su-34 and an operator (maybe awacs) during a mission in which it gets attacked by a Nasam and a patriot. They manage to detect the radar activation and missile launches and guide the su-34 to do evasive manoeuvres but missiles explode quite close. The su-34 however seems to need help for this because it can't do it on its own. They engage at 60km. The translation is really shitty in french though. Maybe you will get better on your side. Intersting it's so easy to detect them but they don't seem to launch kh-31s.

Like any other modern Su the Su-34 does have RWR and also data link capabilities to get additional advance warning/targeting information.
I could be wrong here but this great picture of the Su-34's flight deck clearly shows a RWR on one of the screens marked in red if I'm not mistaken?

What does sadden me is the use of voice over radio, rather than deep C3 integration.

Another Twitter moron using buzzwords like "C3 integration".
Voice is faster than gathering data in the AWACS, packaging them and sending them to the plane, where the
pilot or WSO hast to look at the data and process them before he can react or tell the pilot what to do.


Arrival in Odessa


Marder with some minor damage

Given the way that the US only seems to react to actual events rather than threats, maybe that Global Hawk that featured as maybe missing 3 weeks ago was really downed by RuAF action as many speculated at the time. The US now reacting as if its manned assets could be facing a similar threat with a dramatically greater downside than just the loss of an unmanned UAV. There are probably 20+ highly skilled servicemen on an RC-135, crews that were possibly never trained or psychologically prepared for a situation where they faced the prospect of being shot down rather that returning home for steak and chips and seeing their families at the end of each flight.

Tony
@Cyberspec1
Nato aviation activity in the Black Sea area

They seem to be staying in Romanian airspace in the past 2-3 weeks

Unofficial No Fly Zone ?

Here I agree with the 6th column. Russia should have started shooting down US UAV assets in the Black Sean in 2022.

Another bridge is no more.

Hole wrote:

What does sadden me is the use of voice over radio, rather than deep C3 integration.

Another Twitter moron using buzzwords like "C3 integration".
Voice is faster than gathering data in the AWACS, packaging them and sending them to the plane, where the
pilot or WSO hast to look at the data and process them before he can react or tell the pilot what to do.

Faster but don't help that much. C3 means control, command and communicate. Not only can you talk over it but can alsoshare data and control onboard weapons.

Rafale for exemple can totally be controled by a ship operating around. From the ship they can see wht the rafale's radar sees and driect missiles with and even launch the missiles from the rafale on it.

If that su-34 had good C3 capabilities it could ssend the coordinates to a ground iskander and target that patriot in matter of few seconds.

You are quite wrong also saying radio is faster. Human won't see tve difference when talking but for sharing precise coordinates it's a nightmare. C3 does it alone with no human interaction.

JohninMK wrote:Sitting duck apart from in the sales brochure and NATO PR

https://x.com/i/status/1812479104488177805

Holy shit, they finally managed to keep the camera rolling during the strike without cutting to archive footage?

I had no idea they were capable of these levels of basic competency

Never though I'd see the day

lancelot wrote:You can find that audio on the fighterbomber YouTube channel as well.

I managed to find a very hidden away English transcript of that video.
I do not speak Russian,  but seems to match with what is said.

painstakingly put it with subtitles manually with every line.

https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/SU-34-evading-Patriot-missiles-cockpit-rec:7

lyle6 wrote:
NATO infantrymen pride themselves on their CQC skills.

Fucking Russians short circuit all that with anti-tank mine.

So they did just put hand grenade system on landmine, I thought as much

It slaps but holy shit it's a tight timeframe for 6 kilos of explosive

From personal experience I know that Serbian hand grenades go off after 3,5 Mississippis and judging from footage Russian ones are in that ballpark too

It definitely works great but if they could somehow add couple of extra Mississippis it would definitely improve user experience

Global Hawk is probably safer on its new route

It definitely works great but if they could somehow add couple of extra Mississippis it would definitely improve user experience

You just explained how they use them... take a hand grenade fuse and drill a hole in the side of a land mine and screw in a hand grenade fuse.. and then you suggest making the fuse time longer.

Do pray tell how that is done with Serbian hand grenades... do they have a dial or a switch to decide the length of the delay?

This is just a Russian Army expedient... storming a small building is dangerous and uses up lots of hand grenades and small arms ammo... they have lots of anti tank mines they are not using....

Rafale for exemple can totally be controled by a ship operating around. From the ship they can see wht the rafale's radar sees and driect missiles with and even launch the missiles from the rafale on it.

Which is what the MiG-29K and MiG-35 can do, but pray tell how would a Rafale do over Ukraine against TOR, and Pantsir and S-350 and S-400 and S-300V and of course BUK etc?

Modern air defence systems are capable and difficult to deal with and pretending western aircraft are so much better will be amusing when they start using western aircraft.

If that su-34 had good C3 capabilities it could ssend the coordinates to a ground iskander and target that patriot in matter of few seconds.

Their first priority should be to evade the missile I would say...


Migrants post moved to a suitable thread.

Another instance of the terminal delusion in the west about its technological superiority.   Russia has been working on drone AI for a long time.   This included the
autonomous land rover.   Russia has been using AI in its deployed aerial drones and its analogue of the MQ-9 Reaper only needs one operator instead of two like the
US drone.  The Russian drone does not require every action to be performed by the drone operator.  

Mercouris makes it sound like China is number one in both quantity and quality.   This is not obvious and established.   Chinese industrial volume is consumer economy driven.  
Chinese military industry is much more recent than the Russian one.   Russia is obviously not overloaded with this Ukria war but the NATzO west can't keep up.   Russia
does not need China to prop it up.