Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

lyle6 wrote:

Arrow wrote:The French are probably the most independent when it comes to MIC. Its own Rafale, SAMP anti-aircraft systems, supersonic maneuvering missiles, nuclear weapons, SSBN ships with its own SLBM, the new and certainly advanced SSN Barracuda, its own aircraft carrier.

In name only. Scratch the surface and its an international supply chain ecosystem with thousands of outside failure points that powers the whole thing.

Agree. Most of the components inside any french weapon is mostly from US origin, produced by Taiwan or dependant on supply lines that can be cut off by the US.

Interesting option.

https://t.me/rybar/61806

    On the possible dam break in Kiev: why are they talking about it now?

    In recent days, the possibility of the destruction of the Kiev hydroelectric power station has entered the news agenda : officials mention it, and the results of modeling the consequences of such an outcome are published online. Against the backdrop of what is happening, there are also conversations about a similar threat to the Kanev hydroelectric power station in the Cherkasy region.

    According to upper estimates, if the dam breaks, the Kiev reservoir could affect up to 80 settlements and flood several districts of the capital, where the total number of victims will be 900 thousand people. And if the dam in Kanev is destroyed , about 150 cities and villages will be under water, including the coastal zone of Cherkasy.

    Why did this topic come up right now?

    Talk about the potential destruction of part of the cascade on the Dnieper appeared precisely against the backdrop of discussions about the possibility of NATO's direct participation in the conflict in the so-called Ukraine in light of the deteriorating situation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. A humanitarian catastrophe could serve as an excellent information backdrop.

    As recent years have shown, for the sake of media effect, the Kiev regime is ready to take measures that are completely contrary to common sense. There are plenty of examples - from the failed offensive on the Belgorod region on the eve of the elections in Russia to similar forays into Crimea.

    By the way, it is not the first time for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to blow up dams near the capital - in March 2022, they destroyed the dam on the Irpen, flooding almost 3 thousand hectares. So the authorities of the so-called Ukraine may well arrange something similar on a much larger scale for the sake of the desired image.

    Another point is the deterioration of Ukrainian infrastructure, which is often in a state of disrepair. The same Kiev hydroelectric power station was damaged in 2022, and in light of decades of mismanagement, it may collapse on its own. The authorities of the so-called Ukraine will immediately take advantage of this, blaming Russia for what happened.

    Another thing is that all this will not necessarily lead to the desired result - it is not at all a fact that even if part of Kiev is flooded, NATO will suddenly decide to send its troops to the front lines. And the information noise with accusations of ecocide will fade away in a month or two, as happened after the explosion of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station.

    However, when did such inconsistencies ever stop the Kiev regime, which is ready to use the dirtiest tools even for a short-term media effect?

lyle6 wrote:

Arrow wrote:The French are probably the most independent when it comes to MIC. Its own Rafale, SAMP anti-aircraft systems, supersonic maneuvering missiles, nuclear weapons, SSBN ships with its own SLBM, the new and certainly advanced SSN Barracuda, its own aircraft carrier.

In name only. Scratch the surface and its an international supply chain ecosystem with thousands of outside failure points that powers the whole thing.

Heck apparently 40% of the chips in the US mic are from china lol.

Hole wrote:
Those wings could be used for charter flights. 

I bet if the put a tailcone on it they would get serveral more km.

In the telegram link, fighterbomber shares a radio conversation between a su-34 and an operator (maybe awacs) during a mission in which it gets attacked by a Nasam and a patriot. They manage to detect the radar activation and missile launches and guide the su-34 to do evasive manoeuvres but missiles explode quite close. The su-34 however seems to need help for this because it can't do it on its own. They engage at 60km. The translation is really shitty in french though. Maybe you will get better on your side. Intersting it's so easy to detect them but they don't seem to launch kh-31s.

You can find that audio on the fighterbomber YouTube channel as well.

Isos wrote:In the telegram link, fighterbomber shares a radio conversation between a su-34 and an operator (maybe awacs) during a mission in which it gets attacked by a Nasam and a patriot. They manage to detect the radar activation and missile launches and guide the su-34 to do evasive manoeuvres but missiles explode quite close. The su-34 however seems to need help for this because it can't do it on its own. They engage at 60km. The translation is really shitty in french though. Maybe you will get better on your side. Intersting it's so easy to detect them but they don't seem to launch kh-31s.

https://x.com/krakek1/status/1811372708011143402

Quite distorted information.
1. The recording clearly says that three Patriot missiles are being observed.
2. One of the pilot's explanations says "the explosion was so close that I felt a vibration and my ears were blocked" and also "the entire right side of the side failed - so you can't hear what the co-pilot says - his connection also failed."

So, apparently, the Su-34 withstood the close detonation of the missile and retained the ability to maneuver, as well as evaded two more anti-aircraft missiles. In addition, it becomes clear that the air situation in the combat zone is completely under the control of Russian radars - as the Su-34 crew is helped to evade anti-aircraft missiles by personnel from the command post.

P.S. Judging by the audio recording, the Su-34 was maneuvering with fairly high overloads - you can hear the pilot's tense breathing. Rita's "speed limit" warning is also heard.

The airspace is still to much contested by the ukrainians. If they can detect the launch of the missiles or the activation of the radars they should be able to know where the trucks are and send either kh-31 or iskanders at them. Patriot is semi mobile and would take plenty of time to move (specially at the front where they need to hide any vehicle so they are not that fast to move). Sending coordinates, launching an iskander or two, and them hitting the target should take 10min at most.

The su-34 also being almost shot down 60km away even when it knows where the missiles are coming from is also bad. It should have time to go very low behind mountainous area and loose the lock. They were probavly flying very high to launch gliding bombs.

Not that good overall experience IMO. They struggle too much against the patriots.

Isos wrote:In the telegram link, fighterbomber shares a radio conversation between a su-34 and an operator (maybe awacs) during a mission in which it gets attacked by a Nasam and a patriot. They manage to detect the radar activation and missile launches and guide the su-34 to do evasive manoeuvres but missiles explode quite close. The su-34 however seems to need help for this because it can't do it on its own. They engage at 60km. The translation is really shitty in french though. Maybe you will get better on your side. Intersting it's so easy to detect them but they don't seem to launch kh-31s.

Like any other modern Su the Su-34 does have RWR and also data link capabilities to get additional advance warning/targeting information.
I could be wrong here but this great picture of the Su-34's flight deck clearly shows a RWR on one of the screens marked in red if I'm not mistaken?

What does sadden me is the use of voice over radio, rather than deep C3 integration.

Another Twitter moron using buzzwords like "C3 integration".
Voice is faster than gathering data in the AWACS, packaging them and sending them to the plane, where the
pilot or WSO hast to look at the data and process them before he can react or tell the pilot what to do.


Arrival in Odessa


Marder with some minor damage

Given the way that the US only seems to react to actual events rather than threats, maybe that Global Hawk that featured as maybe missing 3 weeks ago was really downed by RuAF action as many speculated at the time. The US now reacting as if its manned assets could be facing a similar threat with a dramatically greater downside than just the loss of an unmanned UAV. There are probably 20+ highly skilled servicemen on an RC-135, crews that were possibly never trained or psychologically prepared for a situation where they faced the prospect of being shot down rather that returning home for steak and chips and seeing their families at the end of each flight.

Tony
@Cyberspec1
Nato aviation activity in the Black Sea area

They seem to be staying in Romanian airspace in the past 2-3 weeks

Unofficial No Fly Zone ?

Another bridge is no more.

Hole wrote:

What does sadden me is the use of voice over radio, rather than deep C3 integration.

Another Twitter moron using buzzwords like "C3 integration".
Voice is faster than gathering data in the AWACS, packaging them and sending them to the plane, where the
pilot or WSO hast to look at the data and process them before he can react or tell the pilot what to do.

Faster but don't help that much. C3 means control, command and communicate. Not only can you talk over it but can alsoshare data and control onboard weapons.

Rafale for exemple can totally be controled by a ship operating around. From the ship they can see wht the rafale's radar sees and driect missiles with and even launch the missiles from the rafale on it.

If that su-34 had good C3 capabilities it could ssend the coordinates to a ground iskander and target that patriot in matter of few seconds.

You are quite wrong also saying radio is faster. Human won't see tve difference when talking but for sharing precise coordinates it's a nightmare. C3 does it alone with no human interaction.

JohninMK wrote:Another bridge is no more.

NewYork

Where did hail hit in New York: Harlem or Brooklyn?



"Formidable Weapon". Rostec Wants to Increase the Range of FAB-3000
Rostec: Russia is working on increasing the range of FAB-3000
https://radiosputnik.ru/20240715/fab-3000-1959763654.html

MOSCOW, July 15/ Radio Sputnik. Rostec is working on improving the universal planning and correction modules (UMPK) to increase the range of destruction of aerial bombs, in particular the FAB-3000, according to a statement from the state corporation.
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"The three-ton aerial bomb with a universal planning and correction module (UMPK) developed by KTRV has become an even more formidable weapon. It combines the most powerful destructive effect and high accuracy... Work is currently underway on an improved version of the modules, which will significantly increase the range of use of ammunition," RIA Novosti quotes the state corporation as saying.
Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov added that the use of munitions with the UMPK has demonstrated high efficiency, and "the unguided bombs and planning modules themselves cost pennies compared to guided munitions of the corresponding class."

lancelot wrote:You can find that audio on the fighterbomber YouTube channel as well.

I managed to find a very hidden away English transcript of that video.
I do not speak Russian,  but seems to match with what is said.

painstakingly put it with subtitles manually with every line.

https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/SU-34-evading-Patriot-missiles-cockpit-rec:7

Global Hawk is probably safer on its new route