Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

JohninMK wrote:More SAMs damaged, this time Patriot

https://x.com/i/status/1824547489589923873

https://x.com/i/status/1824549920709414953

I would like to see air burst Iskander used, instead of one with cassette bomblets. That way they'll be sure that target is completely destroyed.

Today CNN crew was in Sudzha and filmed gas pumping station. All those tv crews should be targets, unless thry announce their arrival to Russian authorities.

It's not a matter of announcing one's arrival or not, they do not have permission to be on Russian territory at all, they have crossed the state border illegally, it is grounds for termination in my view. You are violating the border hand in hand with an enemy military. Are you still a civilian?
And certainly an immediate expulsion and ban for all CNN personnel everywhere else in Russia currently and indefinitely into the future should be proclaimed as well.

JohninMK wrote:Its been a while since I posted a really good bang. This is Odessa yesterday with an Iskander striking something rather flammable.

Are you sure thats Odessa? Its looks like a dingy run-down ME shthole.  Could be I guess, as Ukrainian nationalism is like a societal cancer.

Yeah, judging by the architecture, you could be right. Gods but how badly Ukraine has faired after 33 years of dsyfunctional despotic "home rule".

I think we can rule out quite clearly, any nonsense that this was a trap. If it was a trap it was really poorly executed. Fact is, not enough reserves were stationed close enough. Sure the AFU will not be able to go much further but has Russia even been able to close off the resupply of this attack?

mnztr wrote:I think we can rule out quite clearly, any nonsense that this was a trap. If it was a trap it was really poorly executed. Fact is, not enough reserves were stationed close enough. Sure the AFU will not be able to go much further but has Russia even been able to close off the resupply of this attack?

It was a **** up. People should get fired, lessons can and should be learned, and soon NATO's hope that the tide has turned will be laughable

But flaming will have you think this wasn't a total **** up.

This entire war has been one **** up after the other for Russia. But because of superiority in manpower and weapons, they were able to succeed even with these fuckups.

Actually, this entire fuckup is because Russia is pussyfooting for no reason other than "brotherly relations". I've read Russians saying that Putin simply gutted russias military and reason why they are incapable of really committing to this war is because it's a skeleton. And the military command are just very incompetent.

How, in God's name, was the border this unprotected? Maybe Ukraines propaganda was real because how does Russia not have enough manpower to deal with this? Where is the hundreds of tanks, helicopters, bombers and jets blowing up Kiev? Why haven't they gone after the command of Ukraine? Why have they left supply lines running for Ukraine?

Got plenty more questions and honestly, if Russia went to Kiev and take control of it, they could have cut off Ukraine in the center and let the forces in the west then move east. But instead, this protracted war of moving slower than geriatrics fucking, and letting the enemy somehow amass a large army to invade your own territory and now after a week, still is moving in, just goes to show that if it was a NATO invasion, they would be in Moscow by week 2 and Putin would still be saying it's all provocation.

This is just embarrassing for a so called super power to not be able to deal with Europe's poorest country.

sepheronx wrote:But flaming will have you think this wasn't a total **** up.

This entire war has been one **** up after the other for Russia. But because of superiority in manpower and weapons, they were able to succeed even with these fuckups.

Actually, this entire fuckup is because Russia is pussyfooting for no reason other than "brotherly relations".  I've read Russians saying that Putin simply gutted russias military and reason why they are incapable of really committing to this war is because it's a skeleton. And the military command are just very incompetent.

How, in God's name, was the border this unprotected?  Maybe Ukraines propaganda was real because how does Russia not have enough manpower to deal with this? Where is the hundreds of tanks, helicopters, bombers and jets blowing up Kiev? Why haven't they gone after the command of Ukraine? Why have they left supply lines running for Ukraine?

Got plenty more questions and honestly, if Russia went to Kiev and take control of it, they could have cut off Ukraine in the center and let the forces in the west then move east.  But instead, this protracted war of moving slower than geriatrics fucking, and letting the enemy somehow amass a large army to invade your own territory and now after a week, still is moving in, just goes to show that if it was a NATO invasion, they would be in Moscow by week 2 and Putin would still be saying it's all provocation.

This is just embarrassing for a so called super power to not be able to deal with Europe's poorest country.

A few things:

1. Another so called super power wasn't even able to deal with Asia's poorest country.

2. I told you back in 2022, well more just told you what Putin told you, this is not a "war." Its a "special military operation." The aim has been to fight a very limited war, spare civilians, and liberate Donbass and protect Crimea's electricity and water rights.

2b (or not to 2b, you asked a question, and that is certainly another), Russia views this as a hostage situation, Ukraine and NATO see this as a war.

3. The worst thing that Putin has done is not flattening Ukrainian government installations, transit, internet, water, gas, electriccal, and internet infrastructure. Sparing civilians is smart, but winning the peace at the expense of winning the war, is well nonsensical.

4. A bit of optimism, Ukraine still owns less territory than is in the Chicago Metropolitan area and they are being absolutely and completely slaughtered.

5. They, Ukraine are taking cow pastures and are losing thousands of troop in areas of the front they are needed.

6. Reason for concern, when there is talk of a dirty bomb being used, I could believe it. If it happens, Russia should not strike Kiev. No, Washington, Warsaw, London, Brussels, Rammstein, Landstuhl, etc become legitimate military targets.

You and I both know Putin is good for economics and stability but shit for military. It's as simple as that.

Kiev should have been taken.  Rada should have been flattened, and logistics all along the Ukrainian western border been hit with constant unmanned patrols watching amd shooting at anything crossing.

But Russia couldn't even bother to protect its own borders.

If a dirty bomb is used, Putin and Medvedev will say a bunch of stupid shit and continue the geriatric **** speed of the war.... more people will die and Russians will give approval rating of 90% to Putin.

Можете меня забанить, но скажу! Путину и его кАмпании снова насовали вафлей в рот!   Как можно после того, как была захвачена исконно Российская территория, и погибли срочники, не объявить войну,  и не стереть Киев, а лучше Львов с лица земли. Почему за эти проёбы не были расстреляны великие генштабисты с кирпичным лицом. Отвечу- коррупция и кумовство! Первое разочарование- пенсионный возраст, сейчас- Курск. Кто не понял- просто идёт полем.

Perfect example of people upset.

Yes the Russians where caught with their pants down not should they have been, again someone somewhere fucked up and failed to detect this force, this was a Big enough gathering it should have been noticed, will it amount to anything not really

But that's the problem. It may not amount to anything but it could have and let's not forget how Putin in the past said that no more wars would happen on Russias soil. Fast forward to now and he allowed one on his soil.

JohninMK wrote:Its been a while since I posted a really good bang. This is Odessa yesterday with an Iskander striking something rather flammable.

This looks like a doctored picture. What's with that tall and narrow structure on the left side, that should be a building?

sepheronx wrote: But flaming will have you think this wasn't a total **** up.

This entire war has been one **** up after the other for Russia. But because of superiority in manpower and weapons, they were able to succeed even with these fuckups.

Actually, this entire fuckup is because Russia is pussyfooting for no reason other than "brotherly relations". I've read Russians saying that Putin simply gutted russias military and reason why they are incapable of really committing to this war is because it's a skeleton. And the military command are just very incompetent.

How, in God's name, was the border this unprotected? Maybe Ukraines propaganda was real because how does Russia not have enough manpower to deal with this? Where is the hundreds of tanks, helicopters, bombers and jets blowing up Kiev? Why haven't they gone after the command of Ukraine? Why have they left supply lines running for Ukraine?

Got plenty more questions and honestly, if Russia went to Kiev and take control of it, they could have cut off Ukraine in the center and let the forces in the west then move east. But instead, this protracted war of moving slower than geriatrics fucking, and letting the enemy somehow amass a large army to invade your own territory and now after a week, still is moving in, just goes to show that if it was a NATO invasion, they would be in Moscow by week 2 and Putin would still be saying it's all provocation.

This is just embarrassing for a so called super power to not be able to deal with Europe's poorest country.

FP is Russian, so it is normal that he is trying to whitewash or justify failures.
I believe that both political and military side, share the blame. Political side (basically Putin), for setting unrealistic requirements (especially at the beginning of the war) and to some degree, tying military's hands and higher military echelons showed that good part of them is not there, because of their military skills, but nepotism. Lower structures of Russian army have improved considerably last two and a half years, while restructuring high command will take much longer, as inevitably, politics is involved.

PapaDragon wrote:
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You are agreeing with me here

Everything else was tried already (multiple times thanks to Soviet and Russian pussyfooting and stupidity) and it didn't work

Just eradicate the problem and be done with it already

Real estate has value, Ukrainians don't

Keep the wheat, lose the chaff

Reposting conversations is not a good idea and certainly not a good habit to get into. GarryB

What reposting?

I trimmed the quotes and only kept relevant part

Original was triple the length

sepheronx wrote:But that's the problem. It may not amount to anything but it could have and let's not forget how Putin in the past said that no more wars would happen on Russias soil. Fast forward to now and he allowed one on his soil.

I don't disagree, Putin isn't a good wartime leader if the enemy isn't jihad level terrorists.

Everything that happened at Kursk was a massively failure of the Intel Branch and a direct result of Putins continued hand tying of his own military forcing them to play overly nice while denying them the numbers they need to win the war in a timely manner

Ajd Make no mistake if Putin doesn't change his ways which so far he hasn't, just more of the same "blah blah blah" it will happen and happen again

Scorpius wrote:

Ukraine plans to strike at Kursk and Zaporizhia nuclear power plants. ....

https://rg.ru/2024/08/16/kiev-gotovit-udary-po-kurskoj-i-zaporozhskoj-aes-chtoby-obvinit-rf-v-provokacii.html


Are you ready for a nuclear apocalypse?

Fúck yeah, let's do this!!!