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Unfortunately, if this is true, the Russians suffered heavy losses. It seems authentic. Besides, there were many reports of shelling of the Russian column.
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59
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Unfortunately, if this is true, the Russians suffered heavy losses. It seems authentic. Besides, there were many reports of shelling of the Russian column.
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The Traitor who filmed this incident is now arrested. Traitor needs to be executed for aiding enemy propaganda
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Russia 
needs to Declare War. Turn the entire Ukraine into a sea of fire and just rebuild everything from scratch.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59
SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:30 pm
PhSt wrote:The Traitor who filmed this incident is now arrested. Traitor needs to be executed for aiding enemy propaganda
Then does Ukraine have the right to do the same thing?
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Then does Ukraine have the right to do the same thing?
It is about time for you to reinvent a wheel I guess
They have been doing that since the very beginning of the conflict.
Only now it seems that people ceased to be afraid, probably there are too many cases for the ukrogestapo to hunt them down.
By the way, Inventflix continues to operate ...
In the morning, a new attempt of D-Day on ukro scale was executed on the sands of Kinburn Spit. Hohols have lost 3 boats and up to 12 personnel and returned to Odessa.
This is some madness
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The Ukrainian Armed Forces have suffered serious losses since the invasion of the Kursk region. This was reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense.
During this time, the enemy in the Kursk direction lost up to 945 militants and 102 armored vehicles, including 12 tanks, 17 armored personnel carriers, six infantry fighting vehicles, and 67 other armored combat vehicles. In addition, the enemy lost 12 vehicles, two self-propelled firing systems of the Buk-M1 air defense system and three field artillery guns.
Over the past 24 hours, the enemy has lost more than 280 military personnel and 27 armored vehicles. This number included four tanks, five armored personnel carriers, 18 armored vehicles, and six cars. From artillery, the enemy lost the 155-mm M777 gun, the 155-mm Krab self-propelled gun and the 152-mm D-20 gun.
The Russian defense department noted that the operation to destroy enemy formations continues.
In addition, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that units of the Sever group of troops and arriving reserves stopped attempts to carry out enemy raids deep into Russian territory in the Kursk direction.
It is also reported that an enemy column was destroyed in the area of the village of Martynovka in the Kursk region.
https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2024891139-HJ2Qc.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui
During this time, the enemy in the Kursk direction lost up to 945 militants and 102 armored vehicles, including 12 tanks, 17 armored personnel carriers, six infantry fighting vehicles, and 67 other armored combat vehicles. In addition, the enemy lost 12 vehicles, two self-propelled firing systems of the Buk-M1 air defense system and three field artillery guns.
Over the past 24 hours, the enemy has lost more than 280 military personnel and 27 armored vehicles. This number included four tanks, five armored personnel carriers, 18 armored vehicles, and six cars. From artillery, the enemy lost the 155-mm M777 gun, the 155-mm Krab self-propelled gun and the 152-mm D-20 gun.
The Russian defense department noted that the operation to destroy enemy formations continues.
In addition, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that units of the Sever group of troops and arriving reserves stopped attempts to carry out enemy raids deep into Russian territory in the Kursk direction.
It is also reported that an enemy column was destroyed in the area of the village of Martynovka in the Kursk region.
https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2024891139-HJ2Qc.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59
SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:21 pm
ALAMO wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Then does Ukraine have the right to do the same thing?
It is about time for you to reinvent a wheel I guess
They have been doing that since the very beginning of the conflict.
Only now it seems that people ceased to be afraid, probably there are too many cases for the ukrogestapo to hunt them down.
By the way, Inventflix continues to operate ...
In the morning, a new attempt of D-Day on ukro scale was executed on the sands of Kinburn Spit. Hohols have lost 3 boats and up to 12 personnel and returned to Odessa.
This is some madness
You have no reading comprehension skills.
If your going to jail and execute civics for postigjg videos of this nature, then you have no right to complain when Ukraine does it.
Which you all do, so nice try but pathetic from you as usual
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Then does Ukraine have the right to do the same thing?
Edit to my last answer.
It is even better.
The guy was not arrested for filming that and releasing in social media, but for publishing it on the Ukrainian TG channel.
Which can be considered an espionage case.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59
higurashihougi Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:57 pm
https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid0JZ2SSoFYufZmSrBBFZrB9CtgiN2S4SdjrzULUHUtCDEaMCykNMP5rbiuSjwFXxFfl
More Russians in Kursk.
And probably more Ukrainians, too. The Ukrainians may send Patriot there.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59
caveat emptor Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:01 pm
There's nothing to comment on, really:
https://t.me/milinfolive/127952
Regarding the column destroyed at night near Rylsk.
Since photographs of debris from HIMARS MLRS missiles found in the Kursk region have already appeared, we can confidently say that the convoy stationed 40 km from the border was hit by it, and not by any kamikaze drones. Moreover, the nature of the consequences there speaks for itself.
In order to hit a column with a fire weapon aimed at a considerable distance and corrected using satellite navigation, it is necessary that this same column, like a herd of blunt-nosed sheep, stand in the open and not move anywhere until a reconnaissance drone finds it, transmits information and works on it.
Not only that, but people were also left sitting in the backs of stationary trucks, which turned the destruction of the convoy into a natural massacre. The locals passing by had already filmed everything, as the consequences remained standing until the morning.
All this is a consequence not only of the impenetrable stupidity of a particular person who organized the movement of a column near the border for the third year, and then its standstill, but also a consequence of the general situation of the chaotic accumulation of reserves in the breakthrough area, for which they were generally unprepared. This is yet another parallel drawn with the fall of 2022 in the Kharkov region, where the enemy also hit columns with reserves with “Himars” that were marching to plug the front.
Once again we see no point in moaning about learning disabilities. We’re just describing the facts, maybe it will stick in someone’s head as it shouldn’t.
https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16839
One of the most unpleasant sensations in war is driving a car slowly near a military column standing on the side of the road. You're driving, and a bunch of fuckers are standing near the cars, scratching their balls, talking and smoking. At such a moment, the only desire is to press the gas pedal all the way and get away from the fuckers.
Columns, especially those standing on the sidelines in the zone affected by enemy missiles and artillery weapons, must be beaten. Just take the leader of the column, kick him like a dog, kick him until he starts vomiting and shitting on himself. For dense, slow movement in a column, it is necessary to punish and punish very severely. For the order: form a column and start moving (we are talking about war), you must be demoted to the rank and file and sent to Storm V to atone for your guilt.
https://t.me/milinfolive/127952
Regarding the column destroyed at night near Rylsk.
Since photographs of debris from HIMARS MLRS missiles found in the Kursk region have already appeared, we can confidently say that the convoy stationed 40 km from the border was hit by it, and not by any kamikaze drones. Moreover, the nature of the consequences there speaks for itself.
In order to hit a column with a fire weapon aimed at a considerable distance and corrected using satellite navigation, it is necessary that this same column, like a herd of blunt-nosed sheep, stand in the open and not move anywhere until a reconnaissance drone finds it, transmits information and works on it.
Not only that, but people were also left sitting in the backs of stationary trucks, which turned the destruction of the convoy into a natural massacre. The locals passing by had already filmed everything, as the consequences remained standing until the morning.
All this is a consequence not only of the impenetrable stupidity of a particular person who organized the movement of a column near the border for the third year, and then its standstill, but also a consequence of the general situation of the chaotic accumulation of reserves in the breakthrough area, for which they were generally unprepared. This is yet another parallel drawn with the fall of 2022 in the Kharkov region, where the enemy also hit columns with reserves with “Himars” that were marching to plug the front.
Once again we see no point in moaning about learning disabilities. We’re just describing the facts, maybe it will stick in someone’s head as it shouldn’t.
https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16839
One of the most unpleasant sensations in war is driving a car slowly near a military column standing on the side of the road. You're driving, and a bunch of fuckers are standing near the cars, scratching their balls, talking and smoking. At such a moment, the only desire is to press the gas pedal all the way and get away from the fuckers.
Columns, especially those standing on the sidelines in the zone affected by enemy missiles and artillery weapons, must be beaten. Just take the leader of the column, kick him like a dog, kick him until he starts vomiting and shitting on himself. For dense, slow movement in a column, it is necessary to punish and punish very severely. For the order: form a column and start moving (we are talking about war), you must be demoted to the rank and file and sent to Storm V to atone for your guilt.
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ALAMO wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Then does Ukraine have the right to do the same thing?
Edit to my last answer.
It is even better.
The guy was not arrested for filming that and releasing in social media, but for publishing it on the Ukrainian TG channel.
Which can be considered an espionage case.
He was arrested LITERALLY under the article "espionage" - that is, the transfer of important information about the movements and losses of the Russian army in the combat zone to the enemy.
In fact, you need to have negative IQ values in order to transmit such data to Ukrainians. I understand if he had passed the video, for example, to RT or to the federal media.
But Ukrainians???
Seriously, what was he counting on?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59
SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:05 pm
Spacing from explosives is also something your taught over and over in basic.
Whoever commander that assuming they didn't get killed with the others needs to see some jail time.
There is no excuse under the sun for that level of incompetence three year's into a war
Whoever commander that assuming they didn't get killed with the others needs to see some jail time.
There is no excuse under the sun for that level of incompetence three year's into a war
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caveat emptor Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:19 pm
That's understandable. But, will some officers get to prison for this shit? War is lasting already 2.5 years. Special kind of imbecile is needed to make this kind of blunders.Scorpius wrote:He was arrested LITERALLY under the article "espionage" - that is, the transfer of important information about the movements and losses of the Russian army in the combat zone to the enemy.
In fact, you need to have negative IQ values in order to transmit such data to Ukrainians. I understand if he had passed the video, for example, to RT or to the federal media.
But Ukrainians???
Seriously, what was he counting on?
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/74342?single
Longer video, made during the day, is absolutely devastating. This kind of losses can not , after so much time of war, be filed under "shit happens". This is negligence and retardation of highest degree.
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It is important that Russia Massacre both NATO and Ukrainian personnel ASAP as retribution for this cowardly Terrorist Attack.
Again, this is NATO testing how Russia would react to such provocation. The Response needs to be Destructive
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Oh, but I do file this one under shit happens, its war and shit happens. However, when you don't even practice basic safety regulations to minimize the impact of a missile strike, you hold people accountable. People need to be fired and imprisoned over this. Also, and it sucks because it helps follow the war propaganda free, Russia would be wise to follow the Ukrainians on this, and only this, and make sharing images of the war and impact of enemy damage on social media a crime.
Ukraine sending a batallion or two across a very long border? That happens. I don't hold anyone responsible. However, whoever was in command of that convoy, if they are still alive, needs to be held criminally liable for not following basic safety measures. Seriously, attempts at camo, no effort at dispersal? Yeah someone needs to be fired and arrested.
On the whole, its a damn tragedy, but not the worst setback since early 1943. IF the Russian training command learns the lesson, the average Russian rifleman will be better off in the long run.
Ukraine sending a batallion or two across a very long border? That happens. I don't hold anyone responsible. However, whoever was in command of that convoy, if they are still alive, needs to be held criminally liable for not following basic safety measures. Seriously, attempts at camo, no effort at dispersal? Yeah someone needs to be fired and arrested.
On the whole, its a damn tragedy, but not the worst setback since early 1943. IF the Russian training command learns the lesson, the average Russian rifleman will be better off in the long run.
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PhSt wrote:
It is important that Russia Massacre both NATO and Ukrainian personnel ASAP as retribution for this cowardly Terrorist Attack.
Again, this is NATO testing how Russia would react to such provocation. The Response needs to be Destructive
Soldiers in a military convoy on their way to engage the enemy are a legitimate military target. Launching probing raids across the frontier against a country you are at war with s also a legitimate military operation. What is bad about this, is not that soldiers and civilians died. Its war that happens. Its tragic, but it happens. What is bad is that Ukraine is serious about this war, but I don't think the Kremlin is as serious as it should be. The way to stop attacks inside Russia is to drive the Ukes to the Dniepr. Then you can talk peace
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Oh, a rare case when murican Wunderwaffle actually hit something with relevance.
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but I don't think the Kremlin is as serious as it should be. The way to stop attacks inside Russia is to drive the Ukes to the Dniepr. Then you can talk peace wrote:
They don't have the strength and resources to reach the Dnieper along its entire length. It's not even known when they'll take over Donbass. It could be years.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59
SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 09, 2024 3:05 pm
PhSt wrote:
It is important that Russia Massacre both NATO and Ukrainian personnel ASAP as retribution for this cowardly Terrorist Attack.
Again, this is NATO testing how Russia would react to such provocation. The Response needs to be Destructive
Are that deranged your calling this a terrorist attack?
These are troops in a time of war, each and everyone of them was a legit target.
From a military perspective it would have been retarded on Ukraines part not to take them out
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Well there are those clips now available of destroyed column so yes it happened.SeigSoloyvov wrote:mr_hd wrote:More unreal information is coming on the internet, one Russian military column was obliterated in Kursk region with himars. There were many dead soldiers and destroyed equipment.
Also forward forces of Ukraine were reported on some points up to 35km form the border (yesterday was reported incursion 10-15km at most)... of course it is question would they be able to stay there long, but overall picture is that this action was very well prepared and executed from Ukrainian side with complex set up and coordination needed.
so far Ukraine did brilliantly - some experts say it is huge gamble and big risk - but overall NO ONE (neither Russia nor West) have any clue what Ukrainian goal is which is masterclass of first order from intelligence point of view.
I mean I haven't seen any Large Russian columns hit with himars, possible it happened but according to who?
That said Ukraine hasn't pushed all that far in, look at a map basically all they managed to do is occupy some small villages.
The distance isn't impressive, any good Western commander knows one thing.
Pushing into Russia is easy, it's the biggest country in the world it has many invasion routes, far to much to properly guard without an army millions strong.
It's occupy if Russia and going deeper into it that becomes the problem.
So far Ukraine has managed to basically occupy what amounts to nothing, and large scale Russian reinforcements are already in route or there.
As for the Intel part, the reason everyone in the West is scratching their head is because this offensive is stupid as ****, there is no sensibly reason for it.
The US never signed off on it and I know for a fact when Ukraine went in the response from Western command was "wtf are you stupid fuckers doing?"
(Making it colorful language for giggles)
In order for This offensive to be of any value they would need to punch very very deep into Russia which would cost Ukraine hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of men that would be needed for such a thing.
The problem for them is they do not have that much extra troops at the ready and they need reinforcements at others parts of their line.
That's why the West is scratching their head, Ukraine doesn't have the available manpower for this and they are wasting troop's needed else where.
Zelen ordered this offensive without anyone's knowledge, why I do know, maybe he thinks he can push that deep into Russia.
But he would be delusional and utterly desperate to think that.
Btw the forces you are quoting where recon and sabotage groups, the main bulk of the ukies Force isn't that deep yet
It is big thing what Ukraine did, firstly Russian border is not walk in the park, there are couple of lines of enforcements that are deterrence to any sudden push through it. Secondly Russia has approx. 48k soldiers in Kursk region, that is huge number and on paper region should feel more than safe.
However Ukraine send around 10k soldiers that are battle hardened, you may even say they are example of what Ukraine learned about military actions past 2.5 years. Russian conscripts are not real challenge to them.
Third - Russian army is centralized and massive. To make it moving needs huge time, logistical planning and decisions making trough various levels - that is exactly what Ukraine used here. It is obvious that they know inside out how Russian military function on operational level.
Yes Russia will now bring more people and equipment and will push back. However this is exactly strategy that works for Ukraine since chances are this will make disturbance in large Russian military operation in the East of Ukraine.
Guerilla and asymmetric war is the only way Ukraine can punch back and make serious damage - this action is example of that kind of strategy. There are couple of red lines that Ukraine crossed with this signaling that it had enough patience with Western crap as well as sending strong message to Moscow, not all is going as Moscow planned. Contrary to what people write here major Western countries would love to leave Ukraine under the bus if not to push it more... thus they send second rate weapons, with large delays and blocks and when forced minimum and less from what was barked...
Ukraine so far proved to be more than tough and if supplied properly is serious treat with very good army and practical military knowledge. They are now surpassing many Western countries for example.
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SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 09, 2024 3:22 pm
Ehhhh This isn't that kind of war, this is proper formation against proper formation.
Yes the Battle hardened your ukie will fair better initially.
But they exposed them and are now costing these valuable troops losses.
So Russia gets to lose some boarder guards but gets to smash the best your troops.
That's a win for Russia, sorry man but from a purely tactical standpoint your talking non-sense
Also your response time comment makes no sense, Russia reacted in less than 24 hours, that's a Good response time, Russia is huge it's not easy to move massive amounts of troop's around
Yes the Battle hardened your ukie will fair better initially.
But they exposed them and are now costing these valuable troops losses.
So Russia gets to lose some boarder guards but gets to smash the best your troops.
That's a win for Russia, sorry man but from a purely tactical standpoint your talking non-sense
Also your response time comment makes no sense, Russia reacted in less than 24 hours, that's a Good response time, Russia is huge it's not easy to move massive amounts of troop's around
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flamming_python Fri Aug 09, 2024 3:42 pm
I doubt Russia got caught by surprise in Kursk. They've handled the incursion quite promptly and with the deployment of drones, airpower and missile strikes. It's much more useful to let the enemy bring their forces and columns out into the open for a desperate zerg rush so that you can destroy them, rather than play the cat & mouse game to infinity.
And no doubt the usage of an elastic defense rather than having masses of troops right at the border is meant to prevent casualties in the event of an enemy attack, while also not scaring off the enemy from trying it.
I have no doubt that Russian command saw this whole thing coming and will use it to justify political objectives, whether that's breaking off negotiations or expanding Russian control into the Sumy region or whatever else, we will see.
Most of the claims of Ukrainian success in the Kursk operation are psyops. They've accomplished very little, incurred few casualties on Russian foces, and ended up getting picked off themselves at the Russian airforce's leisure.
You can see it evidenced too by the way in which they are busy now shelling Russian towns and villages in the Kursk region and launching missiles at the Kursk NPP. Was there any necessity in crossing the border to do that? No, it's just to compensate for them losing men.
The one exception to this is the convoy massacre. Which indeed looks like an act of negligence, although I will say that this is not necessarily a combat unit. In fact it's unlikely to be one; else the troops would be equipped with APCs or IFVs. It's more likely logistic troops of some description, maybe conscripts, that have been fulfilling functions mostly out of danger and their commanders are simply not experienced enough to know how to act in a warzone. They're moving the same way they would in peacetime.
I'd also say that the fact they were moving at nighttime might have given them a false sense of security. Again, for a commander not experienced with enemy informants or with observation drones with night-vision equipment, I can see how such a mistake can be made. Still no excuse for not taking extra measures.
Before court-martialing and scapegoating anyone I'd have an investigation launched to see which procedures were followed and which weren't, and whether any regulations and training regimes need to be updated, including for various rear-guard personnel.
They won't be able to stay anywhere at all, no food, no ammunition, they can terrorize some civilians but it's a one-way mission for them.
Maybe they don't have a goal? Which isn't a masterclass. They've just wasted their reserves and gave the Russian leadership a fresh mandate to do whatever.
US intelligence was as well informed in advance of Ukrainian intentions in Kursk as it was in advance about the Israeli assassination of the Hamas head. Same script, same tactic.
You can take yourselves for idiots if you want and believe the 'unnamed sources' and State Dept and New York Times and whoever else, but please don't take us in the rest of the world for fools.
I'd agree. Either that or Black Dolphin until he turns blue.
Especially if it's the one who was moaning about 'how many guys were killed'.
And then posted it to an enemy propaganda channel on Telegram, as requested by his Ukrainian intelligence handlers. What kind of cynicism do you have to have to simultaneously express sorrow for the lives of your own soldiers, and then aid enemy propaganda efforts in return for money.
Piece of shit.
And no doubt the usage of an elastic defense rather than having masses of troops right at the border is meant to prevent casualties in the event of an enemy attack, while also not scaring off the enemy from trying it.
I have no doubt that Russian command saw this whole thing coming and will use it to justify political objectives, whether that's breaking off negotiations or expanding Russian control into the Sumy region or whatever else, we will see.
Most of the claims of Ukrainian success in the Kursk operation are psyops. They've accomplished very little, incurred few casualties on Russian foces, and ended up getting picked off themselves at the Russian airforce's leisure.
You can see it evidenced too by the way in which they are busy now shelling Russian towns and villages in the Kursk region and launching missiles at the Kursk NPP. Was there any necessity in crossing the border to do that? No, it's just to compensate for them losing men.
The one exception to this is the convoy massacre. Which indeed looks like an act of negligence, although I will say that this is not necessarily a combat unit. In fact it's unlikely to be one; else the troops would be equipped with APCs or IFVs. It's more likely logistic troops of some description, maybe conscripts, that have been fulfilling functions mostly out of danger and their commanders are simply not experienced enough to know how to act in a warzone. They're moving the same way they would in peacetime.
I'd also say that the fact they were moving at nighttime might have given them a false sense of security. Again, for a commander not experienced with enemy informants or with observation drones with night-vision equipment, I can see how such a mistake can be made. Still no excuse for not taking extra measures.
Before court-martialing and scapegoating anyone I'd have an investigation launched to see which procedures were followed and which weren't, and whether any regulations and training regimes need to be updated, including for various rear-guard personnel.
mr_hd wrote:Also forward forces of Ukraine were reported on some points up to 35km form the border (yesterday was reported incursion 10-15km at most)... of course it is question would they be able to stay there long, but overall picture is that this action was very well prepared and executed from Ukrainian side with complex set up and coordination needed.
They won't be able to stay anywhere at all, no food, no ammunition, they can terrorize some civilians but it's a one-way mission for them.
so far Ukraine did brilliantly - some experts say it is huge gamble and big risk - but overall NO ONE (neither Russia nor West) have any clue what Ukrainian goal is which is masterclass of first order from intelligence point of view.
Maybe they don't have a goal? Which isn't a masterclass. They've just wasted their reserves and gave the Russian leadership a fresh mandate to do whatever.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:I mean I haven't seen any Large Russian columns hit with himars, possible it happened but according to who?
That said Ukraine hasn't pushed all that far in, look at a map basically all they managed to do is occupy some small villages.
The distance isn't impressive, any good Western commander knows one thing.
Pushing into Russia is easy, it's the biggest country in the world it has many invasion routes, far to much to properly guard without an army millions strong.
It's occupy if Russia and going deeper into it that becomes the problem.
So far Ukraine has managed to basically occupy what amounts to nothing, and large scale Russian reinforcements are already in route or there.
As for the Intel part, the reason everyone in the West is scratching their head is because this offensive is stupid as ****, there is no sensibly reason for it.
The US never signed off on it and I know for a fact when Ukraine went in the response from Western command was "wtf are you stupid fuckers doing?"
(Making it colorful language for giggles)
In order for This offensive to be of any value they would need to punch very very deep into Russia which would cost Ukraine hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of men that would be needed for such a thing.
The problem for them is they do not have that much extra troops at the ready and they need reinforcements at others parts of their line.
That's why the West is scratching their head, Ukraine doesn't have the available manpower for this and they are wasting troop's needed else where.
Zelen ordered this offensive without anyone's knowledge, why I do know, maybe he thinks he can push that deep into Russia.
But he would be delusional and utterly desperate to think that.
Btw the forces you are quoting where recon and sabotage groups, the main bulk of the ukies Force isn't that deep yet
US intelligence was as well informed in advance of Ukrainian intentions in Kursk as it was in advance about the Israeli assassination of the Hamas head. Same script, same tactic.
You can take yourselves for idiots if you want and believe the 'unnamed sources' and State Dept and New York Times and whoever else, but please don't take us in the rest of the world for fools.
PhSt wrote:The Traitor who filmed this incident is now arrested. Traitor needs to be executed for aiding enemy propaganda
I'd agree. Either that or Black Dolphin until he turns blue.
Especially if it's the one who was moaning about 'how many guys were killed'.
And then posted it to an enemy propaganda channel on Telegram, as requested by his Ukrainian intelligence handlers. What kind of cynicism do you have to have to simultaneously express sorrow for the lives of your own soldiers, and then aid enemy propaganda efforts in return for money.
Piece of shit.
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Is the filming really that important? Classic diversion of attention.
This is a reminder that this war is going to be years long. Dont expect anything else.
Is the filming really that important? Classic diversion of attention.
This is a reminder that this war is going to be years long. Dont expect anything else.
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I am assuming there was some secret agreements between the pentagon that calls the shots and not Ukraine with the Kremlin. Ukraine had to act on their own because there is no fucking way Russia would have their guard that lowered after the last failed Belgorad offensive Ukraine has done.
No satellite or drone being able to spot such a large force heading to Kursk is another mystery. Someone is getting fired for the 100th time by Putin. Even a middle schooler would make better strategic decisions from the last belgorad offensive.
No satellite or drone being able to spot such a large force heading to Kursk is another mystery. Someone is getting fired for the 100th time by Putin. Even a middle schooler would make better strategic decisions from the last belgorad offensive.
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Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from 3 to 9 August 2024)
From August 3 to August 9, 2024, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 19 group strikes with precision weapons and attack unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which: enterprises of the defense industry of Ukraine and related facilities of the energy industry, airfield infrastructure, air defense equipment, assembly shops and storage sites of attack UAVs were hit. In addition, fuel bases, armament and ammunition depots, areas of concentration of reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, temporary locations of units of nationalist formations and foreign mercenaries were hit.
Units of the North group of forces continue to repel attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to invade the territory of the Russian Federation in the Kursk direction. Raiding actions of enemy units deep into Russian territory are suppressed by army aviation strikes and artillery fire. In total, during the fighting in this area, the enemy lost up to 945 military personnel and 102 armored vehicles, including 12 tanks, 17 armored personnel carriers, six infantry fighting vehicles, 67 armored combat vehicles, as well as 12 vehicles, two self-propelled fire launchers of the Buk M1 anti-aircraft missile system and three field artillery guns. In addition, the units of the group in the Volchansk and Liptsovsky directions defeated the manpower and equipment of mechanized, motorized infantry, as well as two assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a marine brigade and three air defense brigades. Seven counterattacks of the AFU assault groups were repelled. During the week, the total enemy losses in the area of responsibility of the North group of forces amounted to 1,650 soldiers, 14 tanks, 92 armored combat vehicles, 45 vehicles and 33 field artillery guns. Two Buk M1 self-propelled anti-aircraft missile launchers, six electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations, as well as eight field ammunition depots were destroyed.
During the week, units of the Zapad group of forces occupied more advantageous lines and positions, defeated formations of six mechanized, assault, airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and three air defense brigades. Nine counterattacks of the AFU units were reflected. In a week, the enemy lost up to 3,260 soldiers, four tanks, including two Leopard made in Germany, 12 armored combat vehicles, 68 vehicles, 45 field artillery guns, of which fifteen 155 mm self-propelled artillery units and howitzers made in the USA, Great Britain, Germany and Poland. In addition, seven electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations were destroyed, as well as 16 field ammunition depots.
The units of the "Southern" group of troops improved the situation along the front line, defeated the manpower and equipment of four mechanized, four assault, motorized infantry, two airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and two air defense brigades. Seven counterattacks by enemy assault groups were repelled. The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 4,240 servicemen, a tank, six armored combat vehicles, 47 vehicles, a Croatian-made RAK-SA-12 MLRS launcher, 47 field artillery guns, including 18 howitzers and 155 mm self-propelled artillery units manufactured by NATO countries. Seven electronic warfare stations and seven field ammunition depots were also destroyed.
As a result of the active actions of the units of the Center group of forces, the settlements of Timofeevka, Novoselovka Pervaya and Veseloye of the Donetsk People's Republic were liberated during the week. The formations of the tank, five mechanized, infantry, two assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two air defense brigades and the assault brigade "Lyut" of the National Police of Ukraine were defeated. 22 counterattacks of enemy units were repelled. During the week, enemy losses in this area amounted to 2,520 military personnel, two tanks, 17 armored combat vehicles, including two Bradley infantry fighting vehicles manufactured in the United States, a Marder infantry fighting vehicle manufactured in Germany and five M113 armored personnel carriers manufactured in the United States, 27 vehicles, 24 field artillery guns, as well as three electronic warfare stations and counter-battery warfare.
The units of the Vostok group of forces occupied more advantageous positions, defeated the manpower and equipment of two mechanized and motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two defense brigades and a National Guard brigade. Four counterattacks of the AFU assault groups were repelled. The enemy lost up to 760 soldiers, four tanks, three armored combat vehicles, 48 vehicles, 19 field artillery guns, including 13 howitzers and self-propelled artillery installations of 155 mm caliber of Western production. Five electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations were destroyed, as well as eight field ammunition depots.
Units of the Dnepr group of forces defeated formations of mechanized, infantry, mountain assault brigades, a marine brigade and three air defense brigades. An attempt to land a sabotage and reconnaissance group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Kinburnskaya Spit was stopped. As a result of the active actions of the units of the Dnepr group of troops, the landing was destroyed. During the week in this direction, the losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 550 soldiers, a tank, two infantry fighting vehicles, 44 vehicles, 20 field artillery guns, of which six 155 mm M777 howitzers manufactured by the United States. Four electronic warfare stations and six field ammunition depots were destroyed.
Two MiG-29 fighter jets of the Ukrainian Air Force, three combat vehicles of the Czech-made Vampire multiple launch rocket system, two launchers of the S-125 anti-aircraft missile system, as well as three radar stations, including including: AN/MPQ-65 manufactured in the USA and two P-18.
During the week, three fighters of the Ukrainian air force were shot down by air defense means: two MiG-29 and Su-27, four SCALP-EG air-launched cruise missiles manufactured in France, 14 ATACMS tactical missiles manufactured in the United States, a Hammer guided aerial bomb manufactured in France, two anti-aircraft guided missiles of the anti-aircraft missile system "Patriot" manufactured in the USA, 72 HIMARS, Vampire and Alder rockets, as well as 668 unmanned aerial vehicles.
Tonight, the forces of the Black Sea Fleet repelled the attack of seven unmanned boats at the Sevastopol naval base. During the repulse of the attack, all unmanned boats were destroyed.
During the week, 55 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 637 aircraft, 278 helicopters, 29507 unmanned aerial vehicles, 563 anti-aircraft missile systems, 17004 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1399 multiple rocket launchers, 13050 field artillery and mortars, 24562 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12524540@egNews
From August 3 to August 9, 2024, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 19 group strikes with precision weapons and attack unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which: enterprises of the defense industry of Ukraine and related facilities of the energy industry, airfield infrastructure, air defense equipment, assembly shops and storage sites of attack UAVs were hit. In addition, fuel bases, armament and ammunition depots, areas of concentration of reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, temporary locations of units of nationalist formations and foreign mercenaries were hit.
Units of the North group of forces continue to repel attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to invade the territory of the Russian Federation in the Kursk direction. Raiding actions of enemy units deep into Russian territory are suppressed by army aviation strikes and artillery fire. In total, during the fighting in this area, the enemy lost up to 945 military personnel and 102 armored vehicles, including 12 tanks, 17 armored personnel carriers, six infantry fighting vehicles, 67 armored combat vehicles, as well as 12 vehicles, two self-propelled fire launchers of the Buk M1 anti-aircraft missile system and three field artillery guns. In addition, the units of the group in the Volchansk and Liptsovsky directions defeated the manpower and equipment of mechanized, motorized infantry, as well as two assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a marine brigade and three air defense brigades. Seven counterattacks of the AFU assault groups were repelled. During the week, the total enemy losses in the area of responsibility of the North group of forces amounted to 1,650 soldiers, 14 tanks, 92 armored combat vehicles, 45 vehicles and 33 field artillery guns. Two Buk M1 self-propelled anti-aircraft missile launchers, six electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations, as well as eight field ammunition depots were destroyed.
During the week, units of the Zapad group of forces occupied more advantageous lines and positions, defeated formations of six mechanized, assault, airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and three air defense brigades. Nine counterattacks of the AFU units were reflected. In a week, the enemy lost up to 3,260 soldiers, four tanks, including two Leopard made in Germany, 12 armored combat vehicles, 68 vehicles, 45 field artillery guns, of which fifteen 155 mm self-propelled artillery units and howitzers made in the USA, Great Britain, Germany and Poland. In addition, seven electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations were destroyed, as well as 16 field ammunition depots.
The units of the "Southern" group of troops improved the situation along the front line, defeated the manpower and equipment of four mechanized, four assault, motorized infantry, two airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and two air defense brigades. Seven counterattacks by enemy assault groups were repelled. The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 4,240 servicemen, a tank, six armored combat vehicles, 47 vehicles, a Croatian-made RAK-SA-12 MLRS launcher, 47 field artillery guns, including 18 howitzers and 155 mm self-propelled artillery units manufactured by NATO countries. Seven electronic warfare stations and seven field ammunition depots were also destroyed.
As a result of the active actions of the units of the Center group of forces, the settlements of Timofeevka, Novoselovka Pervaya and Veseloye of the Donetsk People's Republic were liberated during the week. The formations of the tank, five mechanized, infantry, two assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two air defense brigades and the assault brigade "Lyut" of the National Police of Ukraine were defeated. 22 counterattacks of enemy units were repelled. During the week, enemy losses in this area amounted to 2,520 military personnel, two tanks, 17 armored combat vehicles, including two Bradley infantry fighting vehicles manufactured in the United States, a Marder infantry fighting vehicle manufactured in Germany and five M113 armored personnel carriers manufactured in the United States, 27 vehicles, 24 field artillery guns, as well as three electronic warfare stations and counter-battery warfare.
The units of the Vostok group of forces occupied more advantageous positions, defeated the manpower and equipment of two mechanized and motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two defense brigades and a National Guard brigade. Four counterattacks of the AFU assault groups were repelled. The enemy lost up to 760 soldiers, four tanks, three armored combat vehicles, 48 vehicles, 19 field artillery guns, including 13 howitzers and self-propelled artillery installations of 155 mm caliber of Western production. Five electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations were destroyed, as well as eight field ammunition depots.
Units of the Dnepr group of forces defeated formations of mechanized, infantry, mountain assault brigades, a marine brigade and three air defense brigades. An attempt to land a sabotage and reconnaissance group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Kinburnskaya Spit was stopped. As a result of the active actions of the units of the Dnepr group of troops, the landing was destroyed. During the week in this direction, the losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 550 soldiers, a tank, two infantry fighting vehicles, 44 vehicles, 20 field artillery guns, of which six 155 mm M777 howitzers manufactured by the United States. Four electronic warfare stations and six field ammunition depots were destroyed.
Two MiG-29 fighter jets of the Ukrainian Air Force, three combat vehicles of the Czech-made Vampire multiple launch rocket system, two launchers of the S-125 anti-aircraft missile system, as well as three radar stations, including including: AN/MPQ-65 manufactured in the USA and two P-18.
During the week, three fighters of the Ukrainian air force were shot down by air defense means: two MiG-29 and Su-27, four SCALP-EG air-launched cruise missiles manufactured in France, 14 ATACMS tactical missiles manufactured in the United States, a Hammer guided aerial bomb manufactured in France, two anti-aircraft guided missiles of the anti-aircraft missile system "Patriot" manufactured in the USA, 72 HIMARS, Vampire and Alder rockets, as well as 668 unmanned aerial vehicles.
Tonight, the forces of the Black Sea Fleet repelled the attack of seven unmanned boats at the Sevastopol naval base. During the repulse of the attack, all unmanned boats were destroyed.
During the week, 55 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 637 aircraft, 278 helicopters, 29507 unmanned aerial vehicles, 563 anti-aircraft missile systems, 17004 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1399 multiple rocket launchers, 13050 field artillery and mortars, 24562 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12524540@egNews
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