Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

you won't understand. you're not thinking like a cokehead.

It is not just 1k Guy they have several brigades in Kursk right now, always excuses after excuses this many men should have been noticed

Ukraine also has reserve for this offensive and ia constantly moving in armor, They are buildings trenches and fort's etc

They are going hard

Read my posts, I am not saying this Force will achieve anything of strategic value, I said the force is more then large enough that it should have been seen and the fact it wasn't was Russian intelligence incompetence, someone somewhere made a huge mistake, fact is Ukraine never should have been allowed to gather that much men together with gear the attack in the first place, that was what I said

I just love how you fanboys constantly attempt to change the topic and make it sound as if someone was making a point they never claimed.

Laughable really

I mean there is but Ukraine should not be able to get that far.

But let's pretend they did, and managed to steal the weapons.

Russia would have no choice but they go.

1. give them back in two day's or we Will nuke all of your military sites.

2. Any use of the weapons on us Will result in every inch of Ukraine being nuked in Response.

Not to mention the amount of head that would have to be rolling in Russia for allowing them to be stolen.

Of course this will never happen

mr_hd wrote:More unreal information is coming on the internet, one Russian military column was obliterated in Kursk region with himars. There were many dead soldiers and destroyed equipment.

Also forward forces of Ukraine were reported on some points up to 35km form the border (yesterday was reported incursion 10-15km at most)... of course it is question would they be able to stay there long, but overall picture is that this action was very well prepared and executed from Ukrainian side with complex set up and coordination needed.

so far Ukraine did brilliantly - some experts say it is huge gamble and big risk - but overall NO ONE  (neither Russia nor West) have any clue what Ukrainian goal is which is masterclass of first order from intelligence point of view.

I mean I haven't seen any Large Russian columns hit with himars, possible it happened but according to who?

That said Ukraine hasn't pushed all that far in, look at a map basically all they managed to do is occupy some small villages.

The distance isn't impressive, any good Western commander knows one thing.

Pushing into Russia is easy, it's the biggest country in the world it has many invasion routes, far to much to properly guard without an army millions strong.

It's occupy if Russia and going deeper into it that becomes the problem.

So far Ukraine has managed to basically occupy what amounts to nothing, and large scale Russian reinforcements are already in route or there.

As for the Intel part, the reason everyone in the West is scratching their head is because this offensive is stupid as ****, there is no sensibly reason for it.

The US never signed off on it and I know for a fact when Ukraine went in the response from Western command was "wtf are you stupid fuckers doing?"

(Making it colorful language for giggles)

In order for This offensive to be of any value they would need to punch very very deep into Russia which would cost Ukraine hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of men that would be needed for such a thing.

The problem for them is they do not have that much extra troops at the ready and they need reinforcements at others parts of their line.

That's why the West is scratching their head, Ukraine doesn't have the available manpower for this and they are wasting troop's needed else where.

Zelen ordered this offensive without anyone's knowledge, why I do know, maybe he thinks he can push that deep into Russia.

But he would be delusional and utterly desperate to think that.

Btw the forces you are quoting where recon and sabotage groups, the main bulk of the ukies Force isn't that deep yet

If those trucks were filled with men, that's criminal level conduct on the part of the commander that would be over 200 men.

Those trucks where packed Way to tightly together, by now Russian command should have had a 200m between each vehicle rule that would drastically lower HIMARS effectiveness

Like Russia "hit hard" after Ukraine butchered hundreds of Russian civilians in Crocus City Hall?

Russia will do nothing.

Hahaha... Karl, if you are going to count score on war crimes then Kiev is going to win, and of course on propaganda Kiev wins inside the western media bubble they win again... except both wins are meaningless and will lead to consequences after this conflict when people in charge will be held accountable...

My guess is that their aim was (or is) to capture the Kursk NPP and then blackmail Russia with threatening to blow it up and contaminate all of western Russia unless Russia capitulates. They are crazy enough to do this.

Might be true, but they have to capture it first and they haven't even been able to manage to capture their own NPP in new Russian territory yet.

There will be no negotiations.

Actions like this are more likely to convince Russia that there is no future with such a neighbour and that to ever be safe they need to eliminate the Ukrainian military as a functioning structure and the Kiev government as an entity as it is now.

Don't get me wrong tho, Russian intelligence failed here massively and that's not acceptable given its war and how easy it is to track troop movements wtc

How easy is it to track troop movements?

Are you suggesting a rolling defence moving up and down the border as needed just in case?

Russkie have an issue with getting in touch with the fact that someone will send a battalion for slaughter just to make some tik toks.

There will be many who claim this is a defeat and Russia is now doomed and Putin should resign, but this is a tiny pin prick... they have been shelling these areas for a while so I don't expect casualties to be in the thousands of civilians in this case.

The amount of planning and resources and men being used for this video upload is staggaring and diverts them from actually effective operations.

I would say this is a great example of why Zelensky is still alive. Moron.

The ukies concentrated a good amount of troops which should have been noticed, it is an intelligence failure that yes did lead to a pointless attack but what if such a failure lead to something worse for the Russians.

A concentration of troops that they attacked after the attack was launched... there were more troops in rear areas that got hit by Iskander that might have been a follow up force.

Although, of course, there is another goal here. The fact is that it is in the Suji area that the only gas pipeline is located, through which gas continues to flow from Russia to Europe. So all Europeans should be grateful to Ukraine for another price spike.

Wouldn't that be terrible if it got hit and started burning...

No, this is a complete and absolute statement of fact. A reflection of the new realities of the SVO.

Kievs stupid games have won them a stupid prize... and I am clapping for them...

It's a waste of time to read this Medvedev nonsense.

I think he is making sense... Russia is fighting an enemy with no honour and cannot be trusted... whether you talk about Kiev or London or Berlin or Paris or Washington... agreements are not worth much when an Orange guy can rip them up any time he likes.

I think the tactical problem for the Russians is they allowed the AFU to infiltrate too close to civy infrastructure. So they can't just rain hellfire on them. Its kinda like a Ukie Tet offensive on a smaller scale. No doubt its an intel failure, with the availablity of drones there is no excuse for this shit.

Except they are actually fighting a war and don't really have the time and resources to watch every square centimetre of border just in case Kiev does something stupid.

There are border guards and FSB and if that is not enough they can call in more when they need it, which is exactly what just happened.

Get over it.

By the way intelligence failure... should that be Zelenskys nickname or Creepy Joes nickname?

I know Bush jnr owned that for a while but it is currently available I think....

Rather surprised no satellites or drone coverage to see troop movement have been done for Russia to immediately anticipate a kursk offensive.

The thing is that when you are doing sneaky things you understand the enemy uses satellites and drones to see what you are doing so you tend to plan the things you do in a way that makes it unlikely they will see what you are doing... or mistake it for something else.

And I thought that maybe they have learned from the last belgorad excursion that gee maybe we should re-enforce our border for another stunt like that to happen.

That last incursion was about 300 wasn't it... this one uses three times more... hardly likely to be an accident and likely a necessity of increased border defences that required a much larger much better equipped military force.

If you want protection from 10,000 man attacks along the border you will tie up half a million soldiers not doing anything except eating and waiting for the enemy to do something stupid.

What I don't understand is why they sent so many people to get killed.

Increased border security would mean a smaller force would not make it through.

Like the Summer offensive being stopped before it reached the first defence line they had been making fun of for the previous few months...

Problem is what happens if you have entrenched Ukies in the Kursk region?
Ukies with ability to strike the NPP and other assets with ATACMS almost at will?
This is the so called strong hand the nazis were hinting about.

It is an opportunity... they can move quite substantial air defence equipment to defend the NPP, but more importantly IAEA wont be able to pretend they don't know who is shelling the Kursk NPP like they did in the Ukraine. This will either require a clear and unambiguous message from the IAEA that Kiev is the problem and always was, or Russia can withdraw from the IAEA and kick them out of every NPP they operate world wide.

So Russian leadership has about a month to dismantle this bulge or else, heads will roll, at least Gerasimov, hopefully Medvedev, maybe even the Boss himself, and you have right there a victory for the NATO proxies.

They guessed 1,000 took part and estimate 600 are already neutralised (dead or wounded)... this is not going to take months.

fact is Ukraine never should have been allowed to gather that much men together with gear the attack in the first place, that was what I said

So if Russian intel is competent then Kiev will be unable to amass 1,000 men and equipment and vehicles anywhere... interesting you think that.

Perhaps that is why the west devastated the Taliban and ISIS and Al Quada... or did they just fight the coalition five at a time?

I just love how you fanboys constantly attempt to change the topic and make it sound as if someone was making a point they never claimed.

Laughable really

Western intelligence is telling HATO countries that if Russia is not stopped in the Ukraine they will be invading HATO countries next.

And you talk about competence of a Intel destroying Kievs forces each day in enormous numbers... this entire force is getting wiped out twice a day based on figures released by the Russians, but you think they failed?

The fact is that if Russia mans their border to defend it from anything Kiev might send and watches large swathes of Ukrainian territory where nothing appears to be happening that is going to tie up an enormous amount of resources and men and would slow down operations dramatically... and for what... in case they try this a third time?

Let them try this all they like and twice on Sundays.

so far Ukraine did brilliantly - some experts say it is huge gamble and big risk - but overall NO ONE (neither Russia nor West) have any clue what Ukrainian goal is which is masterclass of first order from intelligence point of view.

Yeah, no one can anticipate your moves if you don't have any idea yourself... this is a case of suicide and it has taken two days now, but the result is in sight...

Maybe the plan was to mount a cross border incursion and then just read the social media to see what they think we might be after and then do that?

That's the whole tactic: the Ukrainians tore up the border guard and just scattered across the territory. Now they are being found and systematically destroyed.

That sounds about right. Amass a large force to get across the border and then split up in all directions so it takes time for them to find you and clean you up, and in the mean time send your social media and internet drones to talk shit about how it is an intel failure and Putin needs to go, and nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons and other such nonsense...