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To challenge RuAF they'll have to enter Russian air space, which they will avoid. F-16s will target drones like Shaheen etc.
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Sujoy wrote:The only advantage that F-16 gives to Ukraine is that they'll now be able to use weapons like J-SOW that they couldn't use previously.
To challenge RuAF they'll have to enter Russian air space, which they will avoid. F-16s will target drones like Shaheen etc.
They should launch drones and oblige them to use all their amraam. They will quickly run out of them.
Easy and very effective tactic.
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JohninMK wrote:From: https://voenhronika.ru/ via Translate Web Pages.
Enemy channels write that this night was the most massive Geranium attack since the beginning of 2024. More than 30 "Geraniums" entered the city. The air alert lasted 7 hours, but apart from one short video, there is no confirmation of massive damage yet. It is known that the strike was inflicted in particular on the base of foreign mercenaries in the capital's Boryspil airport.
30 is not many. Have they scaled back the use of Gerans?
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Overkill! Drones will be engaged with the Vulcan gun and Hydra rockets.Isos wrote:They should launch drones and oblige them to use all their amraam. They will quickly run out of them.
Easy and very effective tactic.
That is when drones are not fighting against drones.
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They already lost a mig-29 this way.
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I suspect it was a comment re all 30 going to one place, Kiev, rather than spread around. Given the time span they could have been double tapping.The-thing-next-door wrote:JohninMK wrote:From: https://voenhronika.ru/ via Translate Web Pages.
Enemy channels write that this night was the most massive Geranium attack since the beginning of 2024. More than 30 "Geraniums" entered the city. The air alert lasted 7 hours, but apart from one short video, there is no confirmation of massive damage yet. It is known that the strike was inflicted in particular on the base of foreign mercenaries in the capital's Boryspil airport.
30 is not many. Have they scaled back the use of Gerans?
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To challenge RuAF they'll have to enter Russian air space, which they will avoid. F-16s will target drones like Shaheen etc.
Perhaps the Russians should anticipate that and send Orion drones armed with Igla missiles... do a bit of remote F-16 hunting...
Imagine the shame of the Americans for the F-16 to be the first fighter to be shot down by a drone...
30 is not many. Have they scaled back the use of Gerans?
They have been launching them in large numbers, but of course that wouldn't be hundreds aimed at one city because I doubt there would be hundreds of relevant military targets in most of their cities they could attack at one time.
30 military targets in one city is a lot.
It wont be the only city attacked.
Overkill! Drones will be engaged with the Vulcan gun and Hydra rockets.
The cannon would require the F-16 to do a lot of flying and it will keep low to be a difficult target for the Russian AF. If it is only using cannon agaisnt drones it wont be getting many drones before being shot down.
Using AMRAAMs means it can takeoff, target and launch a missile at each target and then quickly land or run to HATO territory to hide.
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https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/russian-special-forces-the-remedy
For example, this week, our troops quickly broke through to Konstantinovka (on the Marinka-Ugledar highway) and took a bridgehead on the outskirts. This was preceded by powerful artillery preparation. At the same time, DRGs entered behind enemy lines (near the highway) and began actively assaulting the AFU. This caused real panic!
In some cases, our saboteurs work at a depth of up to 10 kilometers, and we see this, for example, in the Slavyansk direction, where our people regularly attack the AFU at the border between Rai-Alexandrovka and Nikiforovka.
The use of special reconnaissance groups is becoming a widespread practice. There's an interesting backstory here. Starting in the summer of 2022, the AFU actively used this tactic - the near rear was literally swarming with enemy DRGs. This was a serious problem, the front was just being formed, and it was openly leaking, since ours had not yet added sufficient numbers of troops.
At the junction of the zones of responsibility of different units, gaps in the defense regularly formed, and the enemy actively took advantage of this. Now the situation, we see, has swung in the opposite direction. This means that the enemy is in serious trouble.
To make it clear, the entire more than thousand-kilometer front line is a very serious fortification structure. Rows of barbed wire, continuous minefields, trenches, strongholds - both on their side and on ours. And if we switched to the tactics of actively using DRGs, this clearly shows that gaps have formed in these continuous lines of enemy defense. There were no longer enough forces to contain the entire front.
And, among other things, there is one more interesting detail (I say this from personal observations). In the summer of 2023, in addition to the formation of special Storm units, each brigade began to form its own elite units. This was, as I understand it, a special program - the best fighters of suitable age were collected into a special detachment, subordinate directly to the brigade commander. They were trained according to a special program by special GRU instructors.
I still thought then that it was such a fashion for brigade commanders to start their own special forces units, but today, it becomes clear why this whole strategy was needed.
The army is primarily about long-term planning. That is, when preparations were underway for the future big offensive last summer, our strategists even thought through such a thing in advance - the mass training of special forces. So that when the time comes, put them into action. Our guys are now increasing pressure on the enemy by all possible means, and we see the results along the entire front line.
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JohninMK wrote:
The use of special reconnaissance groups is becoming a widespread practice. There's an interesting backstory here. Starting in the summer of 2022, the AFU actively used this tactic - the near rear was literally swarming with enemy DRGs. This was a serious problem, the front was just being formed, and it was openly leaking, since ours had not yet added sufficient numbers of troops.
A vast majority of Russian POWs in the first stage of war were logistics troops when those DRG targeted them.
Freshly mobilized republican rear units were easy prey for them.
A side story is a fact, that for every armed forces, special units are recruited among the most motivated, patriotic and psychically capable soldiers. They get the best training and equipment, and those guys received intense and competent training in NATO special forces training programs.
In the case of banderastan, "patriotic" was replaced by nazi in most of the cases.
It is what has been reported a long time before 240222, by multiple events when things went so bad that Canadian or German units refused to train with them, calling openly nazi.
This is how the armed forces have been reshaped after 2015 disastrous campaign. A regular Ukrainian soldier often denied fighting against their own population, which led to the disbanding a whole units after. And making them new by saturating intensively with the most determined and notorious nazi elements that could be supplied.
First materials covering executing POWs, torturing them etc were provided by those individuals.
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Also many more press gangs operating in areas regarded as too dangerous by the current teams.
Not only military registration and enlistment offices will be able to draft Ukrainians into the Armed Forces of Ukraine
The General Staff announced that they will allow the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine units to do this, and without the participation of TCC employees in this process.
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The coat of arms on the "Motherland" monument in Kiev may fall off - Director of the Paton Institute Igor Krivtsun
It turned out that the coat of arms was welded without the consent of specialists. The welds are already damaged by corrosion. The welding work was not carried out according to scientific technology.
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It seems that welding equipment and stainless steel electrodes imported from the West were stolen after crossing the border. So the coat of arms was welded with "made in Bangladesh" quality electrodes, that is, they were welded together with car repair gear. Streaks of rust stain will probably be the first evidence.
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Ternopil Regional Council Head Mikhail Golovko, who was fired after being detained for taking a bribe of UAH 2.4 million, has been reinstated
According to the court's decision, he will be paid a salary of UAH 591 thousand for the period of "forced absence".
Earlier, UAH 805 thousand bail was posted for him.
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Deja vu from the 1940s, men living in Germany having to go and die on the eastern front.
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“You can go home to get a passport,” Germany decided not to issue German identity cards to Ukrainian men instead of expired Ukrainian ones
“The Hessian Immigration Office, as a rule, does not issue a German replacement identity card to Ukrainian men of military age; it is reasonable for them to go to Ukraine to obtain a passport and undergo compulsory military service,” reads the response to a request from deputies of the Hessian Landtag from the Alternative for Germany party. . Der Tagesspiegel points out that this is, in fact, a response to the 20 thousand Ukrainian men in Hesse who have applied for such “ersatz passports”.
“If Ukrainians return to their homeland with expired passports, they will be subject to active martial law and will not be allowed to leave the country again,” the publication continues. However, the Hessian government believes that it is necessary to “understand Ukraine’s interest in recruiting people for the defensive struggle against Russia.” Therefore, the relevant authorities in Wiesbaden decided that they had the right to motivate male refugees to return to Ukraine.
Rudi Friedrich of Connection, an organization that brings together military draft dodgers, believes Ukrainian male refugees have only one option left. He believes they should file a separate application for asylum as “conscientious objectors.” “Ukraine does not recognize the right to conscientious objection to military service,” explains Friedrich, “this is a clear violation of human rights.” But Der Tagesspiegel notes that the “success” of such a request in the current situation is doubtful.
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The Ukrainian side announced the return of the bodies of 250 military personnel
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"It is reported that the bodies of dead servicemen were exchanged between Russia and Ukraine.
As Mash writes, the exchange took place near the Kolotilovka checkpoint in the Krasnoyaruzhsky district of the Belgorod region. 250 bodies were transferred to Ukraine, and the bodies of 38 dead were returned to Russia.
Military Informant"
The last reported exchange happened on June 14 and before that May 31st, with the following numbers:
"So the number of body exchange in this and the last one is:
Russians: 45 (31st May) + 32 (14th June) = 77
Ukrainians: 212 (31st May) + 254 (14th June) = 466"
Adding those numbers to the new one, the last 3 exchanges have had 77 + 38 for Russia, and 466 + 250 for Ukraine. Thus:
Russia: 115 KIA
Ukraine: 716 KIA
What do you reckon that tells us about KIA ratios? Share your thoughts below.
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JohninMK wrote:Today's laugh time. This epitomises Ukraine since 1991.
The coat of arms on the "Motherland" monument in Kiev may fall off - Director of the Paton Institute Igor Krivtsun
It turned out that the coat of arms was welded without the consent of specialists. The welds are already damaged by corrosion. The welding work was not carried out according to scientific technology.
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It seems that welding equipment and stainless steel electrodes imported from the West were stolen after crossing the border. So the coat of arms was welded with "made in Bangladesh" quality electrodes, that is, they were welded together with car repair gear. Streaks of rust stain will probably be the first evidence.
Truly scum.
A monument build to mark the defeat of Nazism.... has the badge of Nazis put on it.
Russia should order the execution of these vermin at the end of the war.
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From July 27 to August 2 of this year, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 11 group strikes with precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which the following enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, which carried out the production and repair of armored vehicles, as well as assembly shops and storage sites for shock UAVs, were hit. In addition, ammunition depots, aviation weapons and rocket and artillery weapons, military echelons, as well as temporary deployment points of AFU units and foreign mercenaries were hit.
During the week, units of the North group of forces defeated the manpower and equipment of the mechanized, assault, motorized infantry, amphibious assault, infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a marine brigade, three air defense brigades and a National Guard brigade. We repelled 27 enemy counterattacks. The losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 1,755 soldiers, two tanks, six armored combat vehicles, including a Turkish-made Kirpi and two HMMWV armored vehicles made in the United States, 12 vehicles, 20 field artillery guns, of which five 155-mm howitzers and self-propelled artillery units of Western production. In addition, six enemy field ammunition depots were destroyed.
The units of the Zapad group of forces took more advantageous positions and positions. They defeated the formations of three mechanized and assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, three air defense brigades, as well as the nationalists of the Azov brigade. We repelled 12 counterattacks by enemy assault groups. In a week, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 3,605 servicemen, five tanks, eight armored combat vehicles, 66 vehicles, 41 field artillery guns, including 13 self-propelled artillery units and 155-mm howitzers of Western and Ukrainian production. Ten electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations were also destroyed, as well as 22 field ammunition depots.
As a result of active actions, the units of the Southern Group of Troops improved their position along the front edge. They defeated the manpower and equipment of four mechanized, two amphibious assault, two airmobile, and assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Five enemy counterattacks were repelled. The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the week amounted to 4,020 servicemen, two tanks, including Leopard made in Germany, ten armored combat vehicles, of which three M113 armored personnel carriers made in the USA, 19 cars, 68 field artillery guns, 33 of them Western-made. Nine electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations were destroyed, as well as 20 field ammunition depots.
Units of the Center group of forces actively liberated the localities of Lozovatskoye, Progress, Yevgenovka, Volchye and Leninskoye of the Donetsk People's Republic. In addition, the formations of the tank, four mechanized, jaeger, airborne, amphibious assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, three air defense brigades and the assault brigade "Lyut" of the National Police of Ukraine were defeated. 43 counterattacks of the AFU assault groups were repelled during the week. Enemy losses amounted to up to 2,635 troops, four tanks, nine armored combat vehicles, including two Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and an M113 armored personnel carrier made in the USA, 25 vehicles, 26 field artillery guns and two universal launchers of the M270 MLRS multiple rocket launcher system made in the USA.
The units of the Vostok group of forces occupied more advantageous positions, defeated the manpower and equipment of two mechanized, motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, four air defense brigades and a National Guard brigade. The enemy lost up to 905 soldiers, a tank, six armored combat vehicles, 44 vehicles, and 20 field artillery pieces.
The units of the Dnepr group of forces defeated the formations of two mechanized, infantry, mountain assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a marine brigade and two air defense brigades. The total enemy losses amounted to 650 soldiers, three armored combat vehicles, including MaxxPro and HMMWV armored vehicles made in the USA, 31 vehicles, 14 field artillery guns, of which seven 155-mm M777 howitzers made in the USA. Six electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations and nine field ammunition depots were destroyed.
Three launchers and a radar station of the Patriot anti-aircraft missile system manufactured by the United States, as well as three radar stations of air reconnaissance "Mars-L", ATCR-33S and "Skala-M" were destroyed by operational and tactical aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, missile troops and artillery of groups of troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. During the specified period, air defense means shot down: a MiG-29 fighter and a Su-25 attack aircraft of the Ukrainian air Force, a long-range guided missile "Neptune", seven operational tactical missiles ATACMS made in the USA, four guided Hammer bombs made in France, two anti-aircraft guided missiles Patriot SAM made in the USA, 47 HIMARS rockets made in the USA and 375 unmanned aerial vehicles.
During the week, 59 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact, 33 of them in the zone of responsibility of the Center group of troops.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 632 aircraft, 278 helicopters, 28,839 unmanned aerial vehicles, 559 anti-aircraft missile systems, 16,740 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,395 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 12,714 field artillery and mortars, 24,283 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
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JohninMK wrote:Today's laugh time. This epitomises Ukraine since 1991.
The coat of arms on the "Motherland" monument in Kiev may fall off
This is terrible news
I was looking forward to seeing Russian troops dynamite this shit symbol after Kiev is liberated...
Maybe Russia can send them a few USD and a box of decent welding rods and they can make some (very) temporary repairs?
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Big_Gazza wrote:JohninMK wrote:Today's laugh time. This epitomises Ukraine since 1991.
The coat of arms on the "Motherland" monument in Kiev may fall off
This is terrible news
I was looking forward to seeing Russian troops dynamite this shit symbol after Kiev is liberated...
Maybe Russia can send them a few USD and a box of decent welding rods and they can make some (very) temporary repairs?
Also, why they are calling it mother ukraine?
The name Is Rodina-mat (motherland).
Hopefully it will be changed back after Kiev is liberated.
(I do not know if makes sense to put back the hammer and sickle will be put back, but russian symbols instead of the trident from 404 will be great).
Possibly the Russians will put back the soviet symbols, as they are not ashamed of their past, and as an example, Aeroflot has still the hammer and sickle in its official logo in 2024.
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