Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:It's worth noting that Ukraine did not conjure the forces for the Kursk incursion out of thin air. They had to strip some other area of the front so this means weakening of other sectors for the sake of a dubious PR stunt.

My guess is that their aim was (or is) to capture the Kursk NPP and then blackmail Russia with threatening to blow it up and contaminate all of western Russia unless Russia capitulates. They are crazy enough to do this.

the NPP is 50 km away. you think they are going to lunge that distance with a mere brigade at best?

this is a military forum. wild fantasies with a military dressing are down the hall and to reddit.

There will be no negotiations.

Arrow wrote:   There will be no negotiations.

All wars end at the negotiating table, even if it's an offer the losing side can't refuse, such as unconditional surrender.

Units of the North group of forces, together with the Russian FSB, continue to destroy the armed formations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Sudzhansky and Korenevsky districts of the Kursk region, directly adjacent to the Russian-Ukrainian border. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation informs about this. As the department emphasizes, the Russian military is now busy identifying and destroying enemy firing points, as well as places of concentration of nationalist personnel and equipment . In addition, the transfer of reserve units to the region continues.

Currently, air strikes are being carried out against the advancing reserves of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Sumy region. During the day, the enemy lost up to 400 military personnel and 32 armored vehicles, including a tank, four armored personnel carriers, three infantry fighting vehicles and 24 Kozak armored fighting vehicles. – the military department said in a statement.

They add that the total losses of the nationalists since the beginning of the invasion of the Kursk region amounted to 660 military personnel and 82 armored vehicles, including eight tanks, 12 armored personnel carriers, six infantry fighting vehicles, 55 armored combat vehicles and an engineering barrier vehicle.

The operation to destroy Ukrainian Armed Forces continues – emphasize the Russian Ministry of Defense.

Let us recall that the day before, as a result of a breakthrough, the enemy managed to occupy several settlements in the border areas of the Kursk region. Militants of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have conducted and continue to conduct chaotic attacks on civilian targets from various types of weapons.

At the same time, as Russian military journalists and experts note, the enemy has not yet brought pre-prepared formations into battle. Currently, the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is making attempts to reinforce its grouping in the Kursk region.

https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/50336-v-minoborony-obnovili-dannye-o-poterjah-vsu-v-rezultate-boevyh-dejstvij-v-kurskoj-oblasti.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

Russian MoD reporting 2110 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12524392@egNews

sepheronx wrote:This wasn't Ukraines first attempt at the borders, taking some villages, only to get slaughtered later.
All Russia is doing is letting them get through, bog down and then kill them. Then Ukraine loses a ton of skilled, well equipped soldiers and has rest of their rear exposed.
Let the typical posters here jump for joy for Ukraines "success". It will be short lived.

One of the ukro POWs when interrogated about his objectives answered, that it was ... to make a video.
Asked twice if that was the sole objective, he confirmed that no other was given.
This commercial will cost them a few hundred cold bodies and a few dozens of hardware smoked.

Just enjoy the show.

Don't get me wrong tho, Russian intelligence failed here massively and that's not acceptable given its war and how easy it is to track troop movements wtc

They have simply penetrated the local defense, which was insufficient to deal with a battalion scale of intrusion.
If you are to blame anything, then blame common sense - which I must admit is the last that should be taken under consideration when talking bandera decisions.
Russkie have an issue with getting in touch with the fact that someone will send a battalion for slaughter just to make some tik toks.
The scale was too small to be noticed and too big for border guards to handle.
Living in a country with a non existing border that is being crossed by hundreds of individuals every single day, I would be much more careful calling others "intelligence failures".

The ukies concentrated a good amount of troops which should have been noticed, it is an intelligence failure that yes did lead to a pointless attack but what if such a failure lead to something worse for the Russians.

Don't try to dress up a failure, it prevents the problem from being addressed.

The failure was in the Intel boys here, not the ground units

So, if the estimates of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are correct, about 600 Ukrainian soldiers have already been destroyed as a result of this media peremoga. Ukraine lost a battalion in less than two days in a tiny piece of territory where they sent their troops to create a picture in the media.

Although, of course, there is another goal here. The fact is that it is in the Suji area that the only gas pipeline is located, through which gas continues to flow from Russia to Europe. So all Europeans should be grateful to Ukraine for another price spike.

Be patient, Russia MOD has a habit to overestimate the loss of the enemy as other countries’.
Actually as per Rybar’ latest whining and crying, Suzhda has fallen, and situation is worsened. It is going to be a disaster with Ukraine reinforcements coming per his estimation.

Rybar has started to ask who should be responsible for this defeat.

xeno wrote:Rybar has started to ask who should be responsible for this defeat.

As I said Military intel, Ukraine gathered a good amount of troops, the amount they gathered should have been caught, the fact it wasn't is incompetence and as a result the russian forces there simply got overrun.

That said even if Suzhda has fallen, its a small town with no real degree of importance do it, Ukraine still has more waves to send. The only way this attack can be worth It is if they seize the kursk PP but they should not be able to get that far.

Its still a horrible idea for Ukraine MOD to be doing this, they need these troops elsewhere the russians can afford the extra troops Ukraine cannot

The Ukrainian Armed Forces' attack in the Kursk region will reduce Ukraine, by Gevorg Mirzayan for VZGLYAD. 08.08.2024.

How to respond to the attack on the Kursk region? Minimize Ukraine's land border. Take control of historical Russian territories with significant economic and industrial potential.

"From this moment on, the SVO must acquire an openly extraterritorial character. This is no longer just an operation to return our official territories and punish the Nazis. It is possible and necessary to go to the lands of the still existing Ukraine. To Odessa, to Kharkov, to Dnepropetrovsk, to Nikolaev. To Kiev and further. There should be no restrictions in the sense of some recognized borders of the Ukrainian Reich. And now it is possible and necessary to talk about this openly, without embarrassment and diplomatic curtseys. The terrorist operation of the Banderites must remove any taboos from this topic."

This was the reaction of the Deputy Head of the Security Council of Russia Dmitry Medvedev. His words were not meant to intimidate anyone, hint at anything, or push anyone to anything. No, this is a complete and absolute statement of fact. A reflection of the new realities of the SVO.

The purpose of the special military operation was initially to ensure Russia's security from a radical, hostile Ukraine. This same purpose remains today, but the methods for achieving it may be completely different.

Initially, during the time of Istanbul, the method was considered to be a change of regime in Kyiv. The removal of the most prominent and radical Russophobes from power, its denazification and the victory of those forces that are ready to live in peace or at least in cooperation with Moscow.

Yes, we already had the experience of Minsk, where we agreed on something, and then we were deceived. However, Moscow still tried to implement all possible peaceful methods of solving the problem before moving on to non-peaceful ones. In the end, Istanbul failed. And then the method became the final liberation of territories critically important for Russia in order to reduce the ability of the Kyiv regime to pose any threat to Moscow. As a result, Ukraine lost a significant part of its territories (which had access to the sea), and Russia acquired land access to Crimea.

The events in Kursk Oblast have shown that the Kiev regime, even in its current truncated form, poses a threat to Russia. That even without sufficient reserves, it is throwing them into the attack for a strategically senseless, but important from the point of view of PR and satisfying the Russophobic desires (of both the Ukrainian and Western leadership) operation in Kursk Oblast.

The hundreds-kilometer border between Russia and Ukraine will be under constant threat of invasion – and not necessarily by the Ukrainian army. The invaders could well be called something like the “Legion of Free Russia” (recognized in the Russian Federation as a terrorist organization), to whom Kyiv has only given shelter and, supposedly, is not responsible for their actions. Moreover, if you look at the map, the Kharkiv region cuts into Russian territory like a wedge – which means it is an ideal springboard for sabotage.

That is why Medvedev is right – we can go to Odessa, to Kharkov, to Dnepropetrovsk, to Nikolaev. That is, to put it simply, to cut Ukraine off from the sea, thereby depriving it of a significant part of its industrial potential. To minimize the land border due to the fact that most of the state border with the Kyiv regime will run along the Dnieper (or it will be a land section, say, Vinnytsia – Zhitomir, which is several times smaller than the current border). To take control of historical Russian territories that have significant economic and industrial potential. Well, and in general to shrink Ukraine to the borders of the current western and a piece of the central part of this country.

The attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the Kursk region gives Russia all the international grounds for a similar territorial solution to the Ukrainian issue, although it will require much greater efforts.

Yes, a number of experts will be dissatisfied. They will say that this is not enough. They will say that we need to go further, all the way to Lvov. However, they will be told that, firstly, the Bandera hotbed should not be included in our composition, but, on the contrary, fenced off from it. Moscow will not be able to engage in a systematic digging out of Bandera heresy there now. The Soviet Union with its ideology could not do it, and Russia now, even without Banderaism, needs to make enormous efforts to integrate the already liberated territories.

In addition, Western Ukraine itself will not survive as an independent state. It will disintegrate, part of it will end up in Poland – and thus the division of Ukraine will be collective. And therefore, it will be much easier for the West to understand and accept it.

https://vz.ru/opinions/2024/8/8/1281221.html

It's a waste of time to read this Medvedev nonsense.

More clickbaits, more!

https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid0b9paP3iTjd9uDCZ6y9SXMhWR4r5BLnwrnZSoWhP68jfnSevViL5rDfmmU53LdsLAl

Picture of the Kiev puppet regime destroyed in Kursk.

Usually, after the breakthrough, the second echelon will spread to two direction at the side to prevent the penetration stormtroopers to be isolated and encircled, or using modern long range artillery or airforces to suppress enemy artillery.

But the Ukrainian forces in Kursk failed at both objectives. They used all the forces to make the penetration and the only long range weapon to support stormtroopers was FPV drone. The Ukrainian FPV had some success, for example they utilized near-target detonated warhead to knock down Russian helicopters, but Russians quickly deployed their own FPV to counter the Ukrainians. The only advantage Ukrainians had was surprise element in a very limite time window.

In conclusion, this was a pocket for Ukrainain army, created by the Ukrainians themselves, as the Ukrainians walked into the pocket they themselves created. And the Russian would pound this pocket with FAB bombs.

xeno wrote:Be patient, Russia MOD has a habit to overestimate the loss of the enemy as other countries’.
Actually as per Rybar’ latest whining and crying, Suzhda has fallen, and situation is worsened. It is going to be a disaster with Ukraine reinforcements coming per his estimation.

Say hello to the rest of the zoo inhabitants

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Don't get me wrong tho, Russian intelligence failed here massively and that's not acceptable given its war and how easy it is to track troop movements wtc

its called intelligence, not retardation. the Russian intelligence apparatus is not beholden to assume every retarded bullshit that harms their enemies more and prepare for that.

I think the tactical problem for the Russians is they allowed the AFU to infiltrate too close to civy infrastructure. So they can't just rain hellfire on them. Its kinda like a Ukie Tet offensive on a smaller scale. No doubt its an intel failure, with the availablity of drones there is no excuse for this shit.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

xeno wrote:Rybar has started to ask who should be responsible for this defeat.

As I said Military intel, Ukraine gathered a good amount of troops, the amount they gathered should have been caught, the fact it wasn't is incompetence and as a result the russian forces there simply got overrun.

That said even if Suzhda has fallen, its a small town with no real degree of importance do it, Ukraine still has more waves to send. The only way this attack can be worth It is if they seize the kursk PP but they should not be able to get that far.

Its still a horrible idea for Ukraine MOD to be doing this, they need these troops elsewhere the russians can afford the extra troops Ukraine cannot

The few villages taken by the AFU right now are located in the grey zone where Russian troops cannot gather in too great quantities at the risk of being detected by NATO recon and targeted by FPVs. So it's normal that there are good portions of this massive border/frontline that are thinly defended.

Despite some warning signs, troop concentrations aren't always easy to detect. Apparently all the guys that were in Sumy a few days ago preparing the offensive all but disappeared. So Russians would be lucky to spot concentrations standing there for more than 24 hours.. Still, the Russians should have struck off Sumy months ago, specially after having such critical assets as the NPP and gas hubs near that territory. The Ukies trying to cripple the energy and communications assets with FPVs in that area last week was a red flag the size of Jupiter...

One of Nuland's "surprises". More to come.

Rather surprised no satellites or drone coverage to see troop movement have been done for Russia to immediately anticipate a kursk offensive. And I thought that maybe they have learned from the last belgorad excursion that gee maybe we should re-enforce our border for another stunt like that to happen. But we have received civilian deaths so they are less competent than the US secret service protecting Trump since they fucked up again.

Russkie have an issue with getting in touch with the fact that someone will send a battalion for slaughter just to make some tik toks.

The same situation as the "bridgehead" in Kherson region or the "assaults" on Crimea with two dinghies.