Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

the NPP is 50 km away. you think they are going to lunge that distance with a mere brigade at best?

this is a military forum. wild fantasies with a military dressing are down the hall and to reddit.

Don't get me wrong tho, Russian intelligence failed here massively and that's not acceptable given its war and how easy it is to track troop movements wtc

The ukies concentrated a good amount of troops which should have been noticed, it is an intelligence failure that yes did lead to a pointless attack but what if such a failure lead to something worse for the Russians.

Don't try to dress up a failure, it prevents the problem from being addressed.

The failure was in the Intel boys here, not the ground units

So, if the estimates of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are correct, about 600 Ukrainian soldiers have already been destroyed as a result of this media peremoga. Ukraine lost a battalion in less than two days in a tiny piece of territory where they sent their troops to create a picture in the media.

Although, of course, there is another goal here. The fact is that it is in the Suji area that the only gas pipeline is located, through which gas continues to flow from Russia to Europe. So all Europeans should be grateful to Ukraine for another price spike.

Be patient, Russia MOD has a habit to overestimate the loss of the enemy as other countries’.
Actually as per Rybar’ latest whining and crying, Suzhda has fallen, and situation is worsened. It is going to be a disaster with Ukraine reinforcements coming per his estimation.

Rybar has started to ask who should be responsible for this defeat.

xeno wrote:Rybar has started to ask who should be responsible for this defeat.

As I said Military intel, Ukraine gathered a good amount of troops, the amount they gathered should have been caught, the fact it wasn't is incompetence and as a result the russian forces there simply got overrun.

That said even if Suzhda has fallen, its a small town with no real degree of importance do it, Ukraine still has more waves to send. The only way this attack can be worth It is if they seize the kursk PP but they should not be able to get that far.

Its still a horrible idea for Ukraine MOD to be doing this, they need these troops elsewhere the russians can afford the extra troops Ukraine cannot

The Ukrainian Armed Forces' attack in the Kursk region will reduce Ukraine, by Gevorg Mirzayan for VZGLYAD. 08.08.2024.

How to respond to the attack on the Kursk region? Minimize Ukraine's land border. Take control of historical Russian territories with significant economic and industrial potential.

"From this moment on, the SVO must acquire an openly extraterritorial character. This is no longer just an operation to return our official territories and punish the Nazis. It is possible and necessary to go to the lands of the still existing Ukraine. To Odessa, to Kharkov, to Dnepropetrovsk, to Nikolaev. To Kiev and further. There should be no restrictions in the sense of some recognized borders of the Ukrainian Reich. And now it is possible and necessary to talk about this openly, without embarrassment and diplomatic curtseys. The terrorist operation of the Banderites must remove any taboos from this topic."

This was the reaction of the Deputy Head of the Security Council of Russia Dmitry Medvedev. His words were not meant to intimidate anyone, hint at anything, or push anyone to anything. No, this is a complete and absolute statement of fact. A reflection of the new realities of the SVO.

The purpose of the special military operation was initially to ensure Russia's security from a radical, hostile Ukraine. This same purpose remains today, but the methods for achieving it may be completely different.

Initially, during the time of Istanbul, the method was considered to be a change of regime in Kyiv. The removal of the most prominent and radical Russophobes from power, its denazification and the victory of those forces that are ready to live in peace or at least in cooperation with Moscow.

Yes, we already had the experience of Minsk, where we agreed on something, and then we were deceived. However, Moscow still tried to implement all possible peaceful methods of solving the problem before moving on to non-peaceful ones. In the end, Istanbul failed. And then the method became the final liberation of territories critically important for Russia in order to reduce the ability of the Kyiv regime to pose any threat to Moscow. As a result, Ukraine lost a significant part of its territories (which had access to the sea), and Russia acquired land access to Crimea.

The events in Kursk Oblast have shown that the Kiev regime, even in its current truncated form, poses a threat to Russia. That even without sufficient reserves, it is throwing them into the attack for a strategically senseless, but important from the point of view of PR and satisfying the Russophobic desires (of both the Ukrainian and Western leadership) operation in Kursk Oblast.

The hundreds-kilometer border between Russia and Ukraine will be under constant threat of invasion – and not necessarily by the Ukrainian army. The invaders could well be called something like the “Legion of Free Russia” (recognized in the Russian Federation as a terrorist organization), to whom Kyiv has only given shelter and, supposedly, is not responsible for their actions. Moreover, if you look at the map, the Kharkiv region cuts into Russian territory like a wedge – which means it is an ideal springboard for sabotage.

That is why Medvedev is right – we can go to Odessa, to Kharkov, to Dnepropetrovsk, to Nikolaev. That is, to put it simply, to cut Ukraine off from the sea, thereby depriving it of a significant part of its industrial potential. To minimize the land border due to the fact that most of the state border with the Kyiv regime will run along the Dnieper (or it will be a land section, say, Vinnytsia – Zhitomir, which is several times smaller than the current border). To take control of historical Russian territories that have significant economic and industrial potential. Well, and in general to shrink Ukraine to the borders of the current western and a piece of the central part of this country.

The attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the Kursk region gives Russia all the international grounds for a similar territorial solution to the Ukrainian issue, although it will require much greater efforts.

Yes, a number of experts will be dissatisfied. They will say that this is not enough. They will say that we need to go further, all the way to Lvov. However, they will be told that, firstly, the Bandera hotbed should not be included in our composition, but, on the contrary, fenced off from it. Moscow will not be able to engage in a systematic digging out of Bandera heresy there now. The Soviet Union with its ideology could not do it, and Russia now, even without Banderaism, needs to make enormous efforts to integrate the already liberated territories.

In addition, Western Ukraine itself will not survive as an independent state. It will disintegrate, part of it will end up in Poland – and thus the division of Ukraine will be collective. And therefore, it will be much easier for the West to understand and accept it.

https://vz.ru/opinions/2024/8/8/1281221.html

xeno wrote:Rybar has started to ask who should be responsible for this defeat.

Rybar does this with every situation that foesnt go in russias favor.

xeno wrote:Be patient, Russia MOD has a habit to overestimate the loss of the enemy as other countries’.
Actually as per Rybar’ latest whining and crying, Suzhda has fallen, and situation is worsened. It is going to be a disaster with Ukraine reinforcements coming per his estimation.

Say hello to the rest of the zoo inhabitants

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Don't get me wrong tho, Russian intelligence failed here massively and that's not acceptable given its war and how easy it is to track troop movements wtc

its called intelligence, not retardation. the Russian intelligence apparatus is not beholden to assume every retarded bullshit that harms their enemies more and prepare for that.

I think the tactical problem for the Russians is they allowed the AFU to infiltrate too close to civy infrastructure. So they can't just rain hellfire on them. Its kinda like a Ukie Tet offensive on a smaller scale. No doubt its an intel failure, with the availablity of drones there is no excuse for this shit.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

xeno wrote:Rybar has started to ask who should be responsible for this defeat.

As I said Military intel, Ukraine gathered a good amount of troops, the amount they gathered should have been caught, the fact it wasn't is incompetence and as a result the russian forces there simply got overrun.

That said even if Suzhda has fallen, its a small town with no real degree of importance do it, Ukraine still has more waves to send. The only way this attack can be worth It is if they seize the kursk PP but they should not be able to get that far.

Its still a horrible idea for Ukraine MOD to be doing this, they need these troops elsewhere the russians can afford the extra troops Ukraine cannot

The few villages taken by the AFU right now are located in the grey zone where Russian troops cannot gather in too great quantities at the risk of being detected by NATO recon and targeted by FPVs. So it's normal that there are good portions of this massive border/frontline that are thinly defended.

Despite some warning signs, troop concentrations aren't always easy to detect. Apparently all the guys that were in Sumy a few days ago preparing the offensive all but disappeared. So Russians would be lucky to spot concentrations standing there for more than 24 hours.. Still, the Russians should have struck off Sumy months ago, specially after having such critical assets as the NPP and gas hubs near that territory. The Ukies trying to cripple the energy and communications assets with FPVs in that area last week was a red flag the size of Jupiter...

One of Nuland's "surprises". More to come.

Rather surprised no satellites or drone coverage to see troop movement have been done for Russia to immediately anticipate a kursk offensive. And I thought that maybe they have learned from the last belgorad excursion that gee maybe we should re-enforce our border for another stunt like that to happen. But we have received civilian deaths so they are less competent than the US secret service protecting Trump since they fucked up again.

Russkie have an issue with getting in touch with the fact that someone will send a battalion for slaughter just to make some tik toks.

The same situation as the "bridgehead" in Kherson region or the "assaults" on Crimea with two dinghies.