Nice the more su-34 destroyed the more su-35 will replaxe the (if ttey are smart to buy them instead).
Ukro again with dumb and useless suicide squads. What's the point ? I don't have any explanation for such dumb move. However using expensive iskanders instead of su-34 with dumb bombs is quite dumb.
Isos wrote:Nice the more su-34 destroyed the more su-35 will replaxe the (if ttey are smart to buy them instead).
Ukro again with dumb and useless suicide squads. What's the point ? I don't have any explanation for such dumb move. However using expensive iskanders instead of su-34 with dumb bombs is quite dumb.
Does not make sense to buy only SU-35. The SU-34 is a very capable bomb truck, you don't need SU-35 with all its expensive avionics when you are just hauling glide bombs like Uber delivery.
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All look pretty similar, give or take. Also, it looks like few dozen servicemen (most likely border guards and conscripts) were captured at Oleshnya. They were surounded since yesterday. Here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/5qqLDH2AeJ7mRZXG9
There are meanwhile breaking reports the Ukrainian Armed Forces have captured the Sudzha gas measurement station, which is in the center of Sudzhinsky district, according to source RybarEU. European NatGas prices jumped on the news (to their highest since Dec 2023)...
It is not a suicide squad ! A lightly armed , fast moving infantry moving quickly into the heart of the enemy ! With no chance of holding territory ! Russia should not allow their suicide . Allow them to surrender ! It is not a suicide squad .
404 has decided an all or nothing assault in the direction of the NPP with significant air defense sources to back it up. This is a great opportunity for Russia to put a final nail in their coffin. Draw them in and cut them to pieces whilst they are doing it. Rinse and repeat.
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Looks like this was much more than "PR stunt" and took Russia by a surprise.
I'm sure Russia will eventually suppress the Ukrainian incursion, but with lots of casualties on both side. The West is laughing. Eastern Slavs massacring each other.
It is not a suicide squad ! A lightly armed , fast moving infantry moving quickly into the heart of the enemy ! With no chance of holding territory ! Russia should not allow their suicide . Allow them to surrender ! It is not a suicide squad .
Russia needs to drop some paras behind the assualt and heavily protect them with air power, missiles and drones, then just let these clowns peter out and surrender.
1) news correspondents and videos of ppl in Sudzha already released
https://t.me/intelslava/64551
And there are drivers calmly in Sudzha
https://t.me/intelslava/64549
So there goes TSIPSO bullshit about Sudzha being captured by Ukrainians
It also discredits posts with Suriyak (a major dumbass motherfucker who uses fake geolocations and Ukrainian sources) he has discredited himself 1000%
And the other retard Podolyaka - also choking on his words now with videos of journalists and civilians in Sudzha
This is a fucking botched job by Broenkors - the other kicker - those captured servicemen? Is from fucking yesterday news in Sudzha
So we have not at all any picture of anything -
Fucking Ukrops are getting fucked and 45th special guards recon VDV is pulling up - cus guess what? Russia was planning its own Sumy operation and those troops are far out of missile and drone range
But they are coming - and they will boot these scum out and push them into Sumy like Volchansk
- Y. Poddubny did not die (just wounded) - Suzhda has not been captured by the Ukrainians - The whole operation is not a success (just temporary propaganda stuff)
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The chicken littles have come out to play again it seems...
Thanks Ukrostan, you've commited your elites into an incursion and put them where they can be targetted and exterminated. I wonder how many months this SMO has now been shortened by?
Wheres my popcorn?
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As an American taxpayer, thanks Ukraine, thanks for finally actually taking a few dozen miles and showing me my tax dollars aren't being completely sent to corrupt Ukronazi oligarchs. On the other hand, Russia put paid to these assholes. The shooting of the mother is a war crime and all involved in that one need to be hung by their balls and then shot. On the whole, is the sky falling? Nah, is this a game changer? Nah. However, it is a complete waste of their best soldiers and makes the rest of the front weaker for Ukraine and if the Kremlin handles this right, they might just drive the Hohols completely out of Donbass. Seriously, wasting your best men and your best equipment just to score a propaganda victory that will soon be squashed is not how you win wars. Fortunately, Ukraine is only only interested in winning propaganda wars. Lets hope the Kremlin leadership remains focused on winning the ground war.
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This incursion mirrors what Russia did in Kharkov, by its nature. Same style of action with few brigades of manpower. They found a soft spot and are trying to exploit it.
Kharkov was largely left alone for 2.5 years but shelling and attacks from there continued and eventually the incursion was intended to stop what Kiev was doing.
No comparison to what this is... whatever it is.
Asking condemnation from the international community is idiotic in so may ways!
I would agree if I thought and they thought the international community is what you think it is.
You think the international community is the west, and Russia knows it is what the west calls the global south.
A cross border raid into Russia territory fighting border guards and FSB and mostly civilians is hardly an achievement by any measure and now they will pay for it with most of their lives...
One tick in the PR box, a minor propaganda victory, and likely a few thousand of their most elite forces killed or captured along with the better of the western gear that was supplied to them.
BTW the use of Humvees and Bradleys and other American vehicles and equipment violates what the US pretends are its conditions of use for this stuff by Kiev... it is supposed to be used in the Ukraine or what used to be the Ukraine.
It ist a PR stunt. Well resourced? With men and stuff that they took from all over the frontlines, which are collapsing in many areas.
They weakened all their other frontlines to mount a futile attack to get headlines for a day or two.
However using expensive iskanders instead of su-34 with dumb bombs is quite dumb.
Killing Ukrainian soldiers and destroying Ukrainian air defence systems and armour is not a waste. Iskanders are not cheap for Russia, but if they were sold to the US Army at five times their price the US Army would think they were super cheap and buy as many as they could until the price went up.
Fortunately, Ukraine is only only interested in winning propaganda wars. Lets hope the Kremlin leadership remains focused on winning the ground war.
Dare I say it... Kiev seems to be run by the same MTV generation that is in charge in most western capitals...
Came across this video interview of Paul Newman about the west and America creating bad guys for the MIC and the war machine... this is from the early 1980s and things have only gotten worse.
When solutions just make things worse and nobody notices or cares because the solution is more missiles or more sanctions and more of the same..
Russia is using combined forces to deal with what is happening in Kursk. Jets have been used, helicopters, artillery, iskanders and alike. Militia formed by Wagner is also used along with Rosgvardii is fighting against these guys. More than enough while army is concentrated on in Ukraine. Rosgvardii was trained for this very situations and they are a massive force.
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It's worth noting that Ukraine did not conjure the forces for the Kursk incursion out of thin air. They had to strip some other area of the front so this means weakening of other sectors for the sake of a dubious PR stunt.
Just by noticing how much disinformation is circulating, how much uncertainty is there, how much fears on Russian side in those border areas - Ukrainian action so far is total SUCCESS, they punched again well above any wild expectations.
No one yet has any idea what Ukrainian goal is... and contrary what people here write (pro Russian nonsense mostly without any critical thinking as usual) Ukrainian raid was more than well prepared, nothing close to panic, desperation bla bla bla usual crap that you read here....
No one asked real question - how come that Russia 3 years in full scale war was caught unprepared in front of its nose for this? C'mon experts let's hear your insights ha ha ha.
mr_hd wrote:Just by noticing how much disinformation is circulating, how much uncertainty is there, how much fears on Russian side in those border areas - Ukrainian action so far is total SUCCESS, they punched again well above any wild expectations.
No one yet has any idea what Ukrainian goal is... and contrary what people here write (pro Russian nonsense mostly without any critical thinking as usual) Ukrainian raid was more than well prepared, nothing close to panic, desperation bla bla bla usual crap that you read here....
No one asked real question - how come that Russia 3 years in full scale war was caught unprepared in front of its nose for this? C'mon experts let's hear your insights ha ha ha.
It doesn't matter how well prepared they were. It's a suicide mission regatdless.
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It is not a suicide squad ! A lightly armed , fast moving infantry moving quickly into the heart of the enemy ! With no chance of holding territory ! Russia should not allow their suicide . Allow them to surrender ! It is not a suicide squad .
Have to disagree, these are special forces with special training and the best equipment and support they can provide entering undesputed Russian territory attacking a lightly defended area and they are killing civilians.
No mercy... and it seems Putin agrees:
A strong retaliation after the operation is over... in other words we have stopped it and we will destroy it and push back and then we will consider our options to punish you for this...
No one asked real question - how come that Russia 3 years in full scale war was caught unprepared in front of its nose for this? C'mon experts let's hear your insights ha ha ha.
Who would expect such an empty futile move... using their best forces to take some Russian villages for a couple of days, while in the regions claimed to be Ukrainian they are getting pushed back and suffering losses they can't sustain.
When the border is thousands of kms long you can't have troops sitting doing nothing but waiting just in case there is an attack anywhere along it, that would tie up hundreds of thousands of troops.
What they have done instead is let the Russian border guards do their job, which means Kiev needed much larger numbers of men and vehicles and precious resources they would be better to use elsewhere... but I guess they realise the war is lost and they can't hold territory and they can't even just force a stalemate so they need to go for hail mary type passes and hope they connect and do some damage.
It certainly impressed the pro nazi brigade here, but over time we will find out how pathetic the whole exercise turned out to be... this was probably an attempt to capture the Kursk nuclear power station... this was the amazing shock cookie girl was alluding to when she got the chop.... sorry, stood down from her position of wicked witch of the west.
It is funny you think they have goals mr hd... they don't even have clues... the planners are either HATO supermen, or Ukrainians with their children and families safely living in the west, because this is going to be brutal.
It is not like this is their first incursion into Russian territory but it still does not warrant conscription and mobilising millions to man a border... they have border patrols and FSB and their communication and cooperation with the Russian military will have improved and continue to improve where they cooperate and toast these nazis... of course they will need time and that is fine... it is only the pro nazi sky is falling, it is all Putins fault brigade that have no patience.
This war started in 2014, I am pretty sure it wont take another ten years to sort out, but if it does that is OK too because this incident shows there will never be peace until these nazis are in the dirt.
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mr_hd wrote:Just by noticing how much disinformation is circulating, how much uncertainty is there, how much fears on Russian side in those border areas - Ukrainian action so far is total SUCCESS, they punched again well above any wild expectations.
No one yet has any idea what Ukrainian goal is... and contrary what people here write (pro Russian nonsense mostly without any critical thinking as usual) Ukrainian raid was more than well prepared, nothing close to panic, desperation bla bla bla usual crap that you read here....
No one asked real question - how come that Russia 3 years in full scale war was caught unprepared in front of its nose for this? C'mon experts let's hear your insights ha ha ha.
The answer is simple, Russia had a weak spot here and Ukraine found and is trying to exploit it, now if they could seize a major targets here it would be worth while the problem is there is no major strategic target for them to seize, while this gives people the ability to point at it and go "look weakness' in the grand scheme of things this endeavour was pointless from A to B, manpower and equipment wasted with no real benefit.
And if the Ukrainians really want continue this it will cost them a lot of troops they will need to redirect which will cause. A gradual weakening of their other lines.
It also has the worrisome risk for the ukies of Putin losing the ability to control the war, make no mistake Putin himself is limiting how many forces the Russians can use here and limiting his own army
A lot of the duma and military leaders are unhappy with this and want to go harder but they cannot because he hasn't declared war thus he is able to micromanage them.
Why do you think Putin has yet to declare war? Because if he does he loses the ability to micromanage the army in Ukraine.
A prolonged ukies siege in Russia or occupation of worldwide recognized Russian Territory would force his hands and he would have to declare a state of war.
This wasn't Ukraines first attempt at the borders, taking some villages, only to get slaughtered later.
All Russia is doing is letting them get through, bog down and then kill them. Then Ukraine loses a ton of skilled, well equipped soldiers and has rest of their rear exposed.
Let the typical posters here jump for joy for Ukraines "success". It will be short lived.
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