Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

>digging plain old tranches in the soil. The same ones they did in Avdiika
>The same ones they did in Avdiika
>Avdiika

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ucmvulcan wrote:
Adviika? it works? We talking the town the Russians hold? How did this work?

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mr_hd wrote:So far Ukraine is fortifying on industrial scale newly taken positions in Kursk region - they will need 2 days to complete tranches.

Perhaps one of their objectives was to capture as many Russian shovels as possible. They are certainly going to need them and a lot of human muscle power. Especially given the number of trees in the area with their root systems that would need hacking through. Still it gives the troops something to do to keep their mind off their likely impending doom.

Unless they brought with them lots of ATGM and mines they really don't have much hope as their supplies will gradually ebb away. Logistics into a distributed force like this now is must be among the bigger challenges in a war like this. 

Getting stuff to the front without it being 'redeployed' by 'more deserving' units will be an interesting journey.

So, Putin has just been at an operational meeting on the Kursk region:

It is becoming obvious that it is now clear why the Kiev regime refused our proposals to return to the peace settlement plan, as well as to the proposals of interested and neutral mediators. Apparently, the enemy, with the help of its Western masters, is fulfilling their will. The West is fighting with us with the hands of Ukrainians. Apparently, the enemy is striving to improve its negotiating positions in the future. But what kind of negotiations can we even talk about with people who indiscriminately strike at civilians, civilian infrastructure and try to create threats to nuclear energy? What is there to talk about with them?

Apparently, from now on, the issue of negotiations has been thrown into the trash now.


To all those who shout here about Russia's defeat, failure or humiliation, I want to remind you that in August 1999, 25 years ago, Islamist gangs invaded the territory of Dagestan. All this led to their complete destruction.

Russia has to use low intensity tactical nuclear weapons. Choose the Ukrainian concentrations and evaporate them. Will there be contamination? and yes, bad luck. But that's better than continuing to extract this. That ends everything.

GarryB wrote:

That said, I don't see how killing me is going to stop the horrors of this NATO provoked war that NATO and its Nazi pets in Ukraine are solely responsible for.

The western saying I believe is, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Don't just treat everything as a problem, because everything isn't ever the problem.

There are plenty in the west who support Russia more than many Russians support Russia, it is stupid to treat everyone as a group in everything.

Many Ukrainians didn't want to become Russian citizens but the ridiculous actions of those in Kiev forced them to make a choice and they are choosing to speak Russian and not hate Russians... are you sure you want to kill them for that?

The Nazis want to kill them for that.

The Nazis don't care and will wipe out any group in their way, or not in their way for that matter.

If they wanted the Ukraine to remain one piece and independent they didn't have to make Russia an enemy, and now they are losing multiple areas that will likely increase over time the longer they take.

So far Ukraine is fortifying on industrial scale newly taken positions in Kursk region - they will need 2 days to complete tranches. So if Russia wants to liberate those areas smoothly would need to work very hard and fast, later will be much more costly to do it.

Hahahahaha... how many billions were pocketed for that job? Where are the concrete mixers and the engineer units needed to dig in and create fortresses?

Some Ukrainian bureaucrat just got really rich I suspect... they probably paid him so much that white powder is not concrete, it is cocaine...

Garry, do you know what the problem is too? not knowing who your enemies are. Keep talking about Nazis (as if you were in the 40s) when it is the globalist Jews and Zionists who govern Ukraine with the support of Israel and the USA, and want to destroy Russia. If you don't identify the enemy, you're in trouble.

mr_hd wrote:Nope, they are just digging plain old tranches in the soil. The same ones they did in Avdiika - and it is proven battle tested concept that works. There Russian needed months to return territories back and they did it with huge losses and only because Ukraine run out of the ammunition.

Anyway time is ticking let see what both sides would do next few days and then situation would definitely become more clear.

Avdeevka was a fortress that had been reinforced and planned out for years and with all sorts of construction equipment imaginable. It had industrial facilities dating back from the Soviet era such as the coke plant which were meant to double as fortifications and bomb shelters in war time, and huge amounts of supplies and ammunition were stored deep underground. It also had tens of thousands of defenders, in addition to all of its approaches and surrounding villages being fortified and garrisoned too preventing it from being easily surrounded.

What you're talking about is half a small town and several villages, none of which the troops are familiar with, and digging some trenches by hand for a couple days. It's a fool's errand but by all means Ukraine, do continue.

Yep the "industrial scale" foxholes is not going to help much!

ArgentinaGuard wrote:Garry, do you know what the problem is too? not knowing who your enemies are. Keep talking about Nazis (as if you were in the 40s) when it is the globalist Jews and Zionists who govern Ukraine with the support of Israel and the USA, and want to destroy Russia. If you don't identify the enemy, you're in trouble.

The enemies are the Ukrainians, because they are the only ones stupid enough to fall for Western propaganda and fight their war for them. Take them out and everyone else will draw the appropriate lessons from that.

Scorpius wrote:So, Putin has just been at an operational meeting on the Kursk region:

It is becoming obvious that it is now clear why the Kiev regime refused our proposals to return to the peace settlement plan, as well as to the proposals of interested and neutral mediators. Apparently, the enemy, with the help of its Western masters, is fulfilling their will. The West is fighting with us with the hands of Ukrainians. Apparently, the enemy is striving to improve its negotiating positions in the future. But what kind of negotiations can we even talk about with people who indiscriminately strike at civilians, civilian infrastructure and try to create threats to nuclear energy? What is there to talk about with them?

Apparently, from now on, the issue of negotiations has been thrown into the trash now.


To all those who shout here about Russia's defeat, failure or humiliation, I want to remind you that in August 1999, 25 years ago, Islamist gangs invaded the territory of Dagestan. All this led to their complete destruction.

After 2.5 years and all the red lines, if your pro russian, hope Putin finally truly reached that point

This was intended to be a link to the second item. Ignore the first.

flamming_python wrote:
The enemies are the Ukrainians, because they are the only ones stupid enough to fall for Western propaganda and fight their war for them. Take them out and everyone else will draw the appropriate lessons from that.

You see it as they're fighting West's war (which is true to a good amount), but most Ukrainians see this as existential war for independence. Why is this the case, was commented ad nauseum and reasons are clear, but also not that important anymore, since that is the reality. You could see a next front opening inside  Russia with rising escalations with Central Asian immigrant populations and rising pro-Turkic sentiment among stans. Of course, West will use already existing grudges and grievances and just play on strengthening those narratives. This is where Russia has too play it much smarter than it did in Ukraine. Also, they will have to be more proactive and open a "second" front by helping enemies of the West. Maybe then they'll be able to come to some sort of detente and de-escalation with USA. Obviously USA=West, as others are basically minions.
If they are constantly caught on back foot, this will only continue.

flamming_python wrote:It's a fool's errand but by all means Ukraine, do continue.

Sun Tzu said when the fckwit whose head you are kicking does dumb shit then let him go his hardest, and when he fails then you kick him even harder and stamp on his gonads with hob-nail boots. I may be paraphrasing... slightly...

Vladimir Putin: "We have nothing to talk about with Kiev"

So yeah...

What we are seeing is the end of the societies conditional acceptance of Kremlin Modus Operandi

“Good czars and bad boyars”

It’s over - and that’s why Putin starts to huff and puff about 0 negotiations, and a “just response”

In fact he is just dancing more and more around the issue , emboldened by a majority of Russian society - pensioner and female who do not have to fight a war, and so buy into the cult of personality

Already the army is not so sure about the path taken by the kremlin , it might be that Surovikin is not the only general who is against the methods of the government - but Mizintsev, Popov, Teplinsky, Gerasimov, and so on - maybe they prepared a little uncomfortable surprise for Mr. Putin to wake up

Maybe they themselves left a road open to Moscow during Wagners March to justice

And they themselves saw Kursk coming and let the crests in, well let Putin take some heat now - it will be better for everyone


Because the amount of men who have died to keep this “good czars and bad boyars” charade going is not justified at all - to keep Putins approval at 91%

No this must be now called into question and the military does so beautifully , stain the government and leave the burden of response with them

The military will no longer be a scapegoat for Putin

So it’s time to act

Scorpius wrote:To all those who shout here about Russia's defeat, failure or humiliation, I want to remind you that in August 1999, 25 years ago, Islamist gangs invaded the territory of Dagestan. All this led to their complete destruction.

I remember it well, including the obscene gloating from Washington and London when their pet jihadis crossed the Dagestani border.... but their glee soon turned to horror that only deepened as Russia finally got stuck in with competent leadership, routed the bandits and returned Chechnya to the Rusky Mir.

History doesn't repeat but it sure does rhyme.

mr_hd wrote:Ukrainian action so far is incredible success.

Just lost for words... Talk about dumb as a stump...

It is not comparable, the Ukrainian army is larger and better equipped than the Islamists of 1999. In addition, NATO intelligence services saturate Ukraine with information and monitor all the major movements of the Russian army 24 hours a day. It is NATO that allows ukro to aim correctly with ATACMS, Himars, drones, etc. There are also private companies that provide thousands of high-resolution images to the Ukrainian army. Many red lines have been crossed and others will be crossed because the West and Ukraine know that Russia will only shout without a strong reaction. It is time for Russia to act very strongly in order to send a very clear message to Ukraine and its sponsors. Without this, perhaps in a few months, a large bridge will be destroyed on the Crimean side or even worse... Currently, Russia is giving a bad image of its ability to take the conflict to its advantage. I hope I am wrong because I want a Russian victory and a normalization of Russia/Europe relations.

Ukraine quietly designs cemetery capacity for 3.2 million dead.

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On July 13, the Ukrainian government released designs of its proposed new military cemeteries. There will be one in each major regional city. Each cemetery will have space for 100 thousand graves and 60,000 cremation urns

Correction: the main national military cemetery near the capital is planned to have space for 100k graves and 50k cremation urns. It's unclear how much space the announced branches in each major city will have

One more try to infiltrate the border in Belgorod region, Kolotilovka border crossing.
A whole squad was decimated.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/119221

caveat emptor wrote:You see it as they're fighting West's war (which is true to a good amount), but most Ukrainians see this as existential war for independence. Why is this the case, was commented ad nauseum and reasons are clear, but also not that important anymore, since that is the reality. You could see a next front opening inside  Russia with rising escalations with Central Asian immigrant populations and rising pro-Turkic sentiment among stans. Of course, West will use already existing grudges and grievances and just play on strengthening those narratives. This is where Russia has too play it much smarter than it did in Ukraine. Also, they will have to be more proactive and open a "second" front by helping enemies of the West. Maybe then they'll be able to come to some sort of detente and de-escalation with USA. Obviously USA=West, as others are basically minions.
If they are constantly caught on back foot, this will only continue.

I don't doubt that they are fighting an existential war for independence, and for that they can thank their own president who they have loyally stood by, and who also for years refused to implement the Minsk agreements, then withdrew from the Istanbul negotiations unilaterally, and has refused every attempt at negotiation since too.

And if the pan-Turk idiots want to play the same game then they will end up in an existential war for their own independence too.

Stop absolving the hired help of their own responsibility. I see the core issue being that they have lost their fear. In addition to just their own naivety. As soon as everyone wisens up to the tactics of the Western hegemonists and refuse to become puppets in their hands, would all of the plans of the former fall apart by default.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote: Vladimir Putin: "We have nothing to talk about with Kiev"

So yeah...

Was he talking with them anyway?

Give it a few months and he's back to voicing his conditions for peace negotiations on air

Or he will talk with Trump

It's a meaningless statement. And without action to back it it will just be taken as an invitation for further provocations. I noticed the Russian leadership used the language of 'provocations' already in relation to the Kursk invasion. As if to imply that they are somehow doing the right thing by not reacting to the new dynamics and not changing their policy in response.

What's needed is to end all this tom-foolery and to cross the Rubicon - threaten the Kiev government at the seat of their power and force them to rush reserves to defend the capital

flamming_python wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote: Vladimir Putin: "We have nothing to talk about with Kiev"

So yeah...

Was he talking with them anyway?

Give it a few months and he's back to voicing his conditions for peace negotiations on air

Or he will talk with Trump

It's a meaningless statement. And without action to back it it will just be taken as an invitation for further provocations. I noticed the Russian leadership used the language of 'provocations' already in relation to the Kursk invasion. As if to imply that they are somehow doing the right thing by not reacting to the new dynamics and not changing their policy in response.

What's needed is to end all this tom-foolery and to cross the Rubicon - threaten the Kiev government at the seat of their power and force them to rush reserves to defend the capital

Threaten the Kiev govt in WASHINGTON.
Plenty of enemies of America allowing for "plausible deniability" on Russia's part.

Oh I agree with that too. But it's what should have been done since Feb. 2022 anyway.

Right now the response needs to be specific, and targeted directly at the immediate threat.
Kiev will need to be taken whether it's sooner or it's later. And if negotiations are not an option, as Putin either wants to convey or give the public appearance of conveying, then what is the point of putting it off? Ukrainian reserves are depleted. Might as well get working on it now, and not give the enemy time to recover from its offensive into nowhere.

So Ukrainian president says about 1000 square km they are holding right now in Kursk region LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL that is massive, incredible success, far beyond wildest fantasy...basically in 6 days Ukraine cancelled 1year of Russian gains ha ha ha ha, brilliant.