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[/quote]ucmvulcan wrote:
Adviika? it works? We talking the town the Russians hold? How did this work?
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Perhaps one of their objectives was to capture as many Russian shovels as possible. They are certainly going to need them and a lot of human muscle power. Especially given the number of trees in the area with their root systems that would need hacking through. Still it gives the troops something to do to keep their mind off their likely impending doom.mr_hd wrote:So far Ukraine is fortifying on industrial scale newly taken positions in Kursk region - they will need 2 days to complete tranches.
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It is becoming obvious that it is now clear why the Kiev regime refused our proposals to return to the peace settlement plan, as well as to the proposals of interested and neutral mediators. Apparently, the enemy, with the help of its Western masters, is fulfilling their will. The West is fighting with us with the hands of Ukrainians. Apparently, the enemy is striving to improve its negotiating positions in the future. But what kind of negotiations can we even talk about with people who indiscriminately strike at civilians, civilian infrastructure and try to create threats to nuclear energy? What is there to talk about with them?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 ArgentinaGuard Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:42 pm
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 ArgentinaGuard Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:55 pm
GarryB wrote:That said, I don't see how killing me is going to stop the horrors of this NATO provoked war that NATO and its Nazi pets in Ukraine are solely responsible for.
The western saying I believe is, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Don't just treat everything as a problem, because everything isn't ever the problem.
There are plenty in the west who support Russia more than many Russians support Russia, it is stupid to treat everyone as a group in everything.
Many Ukrainians didn't want to become Russian citizens but the ridiculous actions of those in Kiev forced them to make a choice and they are choosing to speak Russian and not hate Russians... are you sure you want to kill them for that?
The Nazis want to kill them for that.
The Nazis don't care and will wipe out any group in their way, or not in their way for that matter.
If they wanted the Ukraine to remain one piece and independent they didn't have to make Russia an enemy, and now they are losing multiple areas that will likely increase over time the longer they take.
So far Ukraine is fortifying on industrial scale newly taken positions in Kursk region - they will need 2 days to complete tranches. So if Russia wants to liberate those areas smoothly would need to work very hard and fast, later will be much more costly to do it.
Hahahahaha... how many billions were pocketed for that job? Where are the concrete mixers and the engineer units needed to dig in and create fortresses?
Some Ukrainian bureaucrat just got really rich I suspect... they probably paid him so much that white powder is not concrete, it is cocaine...
Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 flamming_python Mon Aug 12, 2024 4:29 pm
mr_hd wrote:Nope, they are just digging plain old tranches in the soil. The same ones they did in Avdiika - and it is proven battle tested concept that works. There Russian needed months to return territories back and they did it with huge losses and only because Ukraine run out of the ammunition.
Anyway time is ticking let see what both sides would do next few days and then situation would definitely become more clear.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 flamming_python Mon Aug 12, 2024 4:34 pm
ArgentinaGuard wrote:Garry, do you know what the problem is too? not knowing who your enemies are. Keep talking about Nazis (as if you were in the 40s) when it is the globalist Jews and Zionists who govern Ukraine with the support of Israel and the USA, and want to destroy Russia. If you don't identify the enemy, you're in trouble.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 SeigSoloyvov Mon Aug 12, 2024 4:48 pm
Scorpius wrote:So, Putin has just been at an operational meeting on the Kursk region:
It is becoming obvious that it is now clear why the Kiev regime refused our proposals to return to the peace settlement plan, as well as to the proposals of interested and neutral mediators. Apparently, the enemy, with the help of its Western masters, is fulfilling their will. The West is fighting with us with the hands of Ukrainians. Apparently, the enemy is striving to improve its negotiating positions in the future. But what kind of negotiations can we even talk about with people who indiscriminately strike at civilians, civilian infrastructure and try to create threats to nuclear energy? What is there to talk about with them?
Apparently, from now on, the issue of negotiations has been thrown into the trash now.
To all those who shout here about Russia's defeat, failure or humiliation, I want to remind you that in August 1999, 25 years ago, Islamist gangs invaded the territory of Dagestan. All this led to their complete destruction.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 caveat emptor Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:18 pm
flamming_python wrote:
The enemies are the Ukrainians, because they are the only ones stupid enough to fall for Western propaganda and fight their war for them. Take them out and everyone else will draw the appropriate lessons from that.
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flamming_python wrote:It's a fool's errand but by all means Ukraine, do continue.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 Walther von Oldenburg Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:30 pm
Vladimir Putin: "We have nothing to talk about with Kiev"GarryB, flamming_python, Big_Gazza, PapaDragon, Rodion_Romanovic, Eugenio Argentina and Broski like this post
Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 Arkanghelsk Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:31 pm
Scorpius wrote:To all those who shout here about Russia's defeat, failure or humiliation, I want to remind you that in August 1999, 25 years ago, Islamist gangs invaded the territory of Dagestan. All this led to their complete destruction.
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mr_hd wrote:Ukrainian action so far is incredible success.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 flamming_python Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:16 pm
caveat emptor wrote:You see it as they're fighting West's war (which is true to a good amount), but most Ukrainians see this as existential war for independence. Why is this the case, was commented ad nauseum and reasons are clear, but also not that important anymore, since that is the reality. You could see a next front opening inside Russia with rising escalations with Central Asian immigrant populations and rising pro-Turkic sentiment among stans. Of course, West will use already existing grudges and grievances and just play on strengthening those narratives. This is where Russia has too play it much smarter than it did in Ukraine. Also, they will have to be more proactive and open a "second" front by helping enemies of the West. Maybe then they'll be able to come to some sort of detente and de-escalation with USA. Obviously USA=West, as others are basically minions.
If they are constantly caught on back foot, this will only continue.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59 flamming_python Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:23 pm
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
So yeah...
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flamming_python wrote:Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
So yeah...
Was he talking with them anyway?
Give it a few months and he's back to voicing his conditions for peace negotiations on air
Or he will talk with Trump
It's a meaningless statement. And without action to back it it will just be taken as an invitation for further provocations. I noticed the Russian leadership used the language of 'provocations' already in relation to the Kursk invasion. As if to imply that they are somehow doing the right thing by not reacting to the new dynamics and not changing their policy in response.
What's needed is to end all this tom-foolery and to cross the Rubicon - threaten the Kiev government at the seat of their power and force them to rush reserves to defend the capital
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