Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

Garry, those pics were not gore - that's why I posted them.

Doesn't need to be gory to be objectionable.

NSFW includes the depiction of dead bodies too.

I didn't realize outright demanding the execution and murder of every single civilian in Ukraine was okay

I appreciate that is what the west wants regarding Russians... they wont even let them compete in international sport.

It is not OK.... he is very angry or ill... but being allowed to say it or not allowed to say it is a different issue.

Or don't you understand the English words Freedom of Speech... the Ukraine and US have vote down Russian attempts to ban the glorification of Nazism, and the US says that violates their view of freedom of speech. Last time they voted most of the western block voted against it.

Ukrainian propaganda is here too, I am not deleting that. I am calling it out as being BS, but I am not deleting it or banning anyone.

Zelensky is ordering the execution of the entire male population of the country... some members are only taking that a few steps further.

I also didn't realize that quoting the Final Solution which was the Nazi's plan of complete extermination of a race was okay

Actually considering so many of them identify as nazis I thought he was being ironic...

The attack on Zaporozyhe NPP is a clear sign that they failed in their primary objective to seriously damage the Kursk NPP.

I wonder if this time the IAEA will struggle to work out who attacked it?

If they can't work it out I would say kick them out of the plant... it would not surprise me if they weren't feeding intel information to Kiev and the US to assist in attacks or planning attacks.

What low IQ fucks like you don't grasp is that should this cause another Chernobyl it's mainly your Nazi friends and the rest of Western Europe that's going to get the full brunt of the nuclear radiation and fallout. Enjoy you cancer!

They think it is fun and games because it is not directly effecting them.... yet.

It is amusing that all the talk about freedom and justice and peace and democracy and decency are just meaningless labels they don't understand or care about.

Bill Clinton knew, if the economy is going well nothing else matters to US voters.

So now we have people openly propagating genocide and terrorism - and being allowed to do so under the banner of "free speech". Interesting...

Ukraine is not a distinct race, unless you mean nazism is a race, but I would call it more of an illness or a gang.

When PhSt talks about such stuff it is a meaningless vent on the interweb.

Western politicians have been talking about destroying the Russian economy and killing Russians for quite some time now and PC plod in the UK won't touch them for their hate speech.

You can apply a set of rules or you let people say what they think... only one of those can be considered free speech.

We do have a set of rules but he hasn't broken any.

Now some here have said racist things and others have said things they probably wouldn't say in front of most of their friends or family, but only tyrants are afraid of people saying the truth or what they think is the truth.

Where should I draw the line?

Misogyny? I had to use the spell checker to see how it was spelt.

Banning won't eliminate, it will just drive it underground. We don't have any actual misogynists here, they seem to be more male chauvinist (ie not women hating, but believing in the superiority and dominance of males over females).

Are we supposed to save everyone... to convince everyone of our point of view?

That is not the role or goal of this forum.

Russia doesn't have the manpower for a push on keiv, they would if they declare war....but Putin won't allow that

They have the manpower to do that of course, but they need to make the decisions necessary to do so... I would say dropping bridges and blowing up transport systems... rails, train engines, trucks, boats, etc etc  they don't have to take them all out immediately... just adopt the policy that transport vehicles are fair game... especially those heading towards the front lines... including buses.

Now they can look at Ukraine territory as a threat and from that perspective the timetables will change even if the tactics don't.

@GarryB, Don't you think that the numerous calls for genocide are at least pulling at restricting access to the forum for a while?I'm already silent about the fact that the comments of some random couch expert about what Russia should do look too tedious here.

He is upset and over reacting, but members like Mr HD and our other pro nazi friends keep posting Ukraine propaganda and light him off again... which is exactly what Kiev is trying to achieve. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

What PhSt says and what Russia does are not related... should cheerleaders be punished for chanting that your team can still win with minutes left in the game when you are winning by such a wide margin that the opposition has resorted to foul play to try to get some of your players sent off injured, or perhaps even getting the game called null and void?

I don't think Medvedev or Putin look here for advice, and to be honest some of the things Medvedev has said seems to mirror some of what is being said here... should I ban him too?

UK government warns 'think before you post' amid threats to arrest citizens for offensive rhetoric on socials

They are very selective about what is offensive... wanting to kill all Ukrainians is offensive, but Russians... that might be OK... it is going to be a bit like the ICC and try the enemies of the west in Africa and around the world.

With the Ukrainian push into Russia, they have wasted their best reserves, giving Russia both an opportunity, and a mandate, and the iron should be struck while its hot. Past a certain point in the war, and that point has come, the risk-averse strategy of Russian command flips onto its head. You risk more by not seizing opportunity, than otherwise.

You can say that in the middle of an attack or two, but I think better responses take time and should be properly formulated so as to not backfire the way the western sanctions have backfired.

SS wrote:"As I have advocated from the beginning the only Effective solution here is the FINAL SOLUTION. MASSACRE of the enemy population. Russia needs to stop playing nice and start behaving 100x more aggressively than the enemy. Use all methods available no matter how cruel, the End always justifies the means. Kill The Americans. Kill the Europeans. Kill the Ukranians. Show no restraint. Show no mercy. Slaughter them all in the name of peace! attack attack attack"
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Hm yeah I am putting words in your mouth alright.....

Yes, it was a very stupid thing to say in my opinion... he is clearly angry with these nazis and the western colonial white european powers supporting them. Ironically though the go hard out and crush them is a policy you have mentioned a few times and most of your criticism of Putin has been that he is too cautious and too soft and that a more brutal... a more western approach would make it faster and cleaner.

So now members are mad at him for getting angry.

The anger will pass.

The attack also exposes today's limitations with air defense systems; the drones are either too small or fly very low to be reliably detected and tracked by radar. Cruise missile technology

Cruise missiles and bombers have long flown at very low altitudes to become difficult targets for air defences, and drones have been around for quite some time, but lacked range and numbers and payloads that were useful, not to mention the cost of cameras including night vision cameras means they were only ever used in token amounts till now.

New missiles are being developed and new jammers and direct energy weapons and even cages are being developed.

Russia is a leader in APS systems and I suspect for most armoured vehicles it will be APS systems that are extended to engage such threats first, while rather small cheap missiles will be used along with shotguns and jammers and other drones and even lasers to deal with the problems they pose.

It is not going to be solved any time soon but they will be working hard and the solution is going to involve a wide range of solutions to work properly.

The west don't even have a Russian level of AD and would be horribly vulnerable to the same threat... which is ironic now they have forced Russia to deal with it and create some excellent attack drones of their own and produce them in enormous numbers.

They are losing men at 4x the usual speed, which was already unsustainable for them.

What they have essentially done is double the volume of meat in the meat grinder, and this time the extra meat is the high quality stuff... not the ear lobes and arse holes they use to make "chicken" nuggets.

That has nothing to do with it, yes they countered well enough but the fact is they were taken by surprise that is why they had to mobilize lots of units from different formations and why they still have yet to conduct full on counter-attacks, they are getting everyone into position.

It was a surprise attack... why wouldn't they be surprised.... what other government or leadership would mount such a suicide attack at this stage of the conflict?

They were surprised Kiev is this stupid and callous with their resources and men.

This is clearly what Nuland was hinting at when someone dropped a house on her.

You and the others do not seem to understand the basic fact if Russia knew these guys were coming they would have their forces ready, their forces weren't ready.

They didn't know about this attack, but they knew attacks were possible and expected their border guards to slow them down and for the chance to organise a defensive force to repel the attack while they were fighting. The attacking force was too big and just rolled over the border guard force and spilled into civilian areas and then split up, which complicated things.

Its amusing watch you try to justify your desire for genocide.

Have you never been angry?

Often people say and do things they would not normally do when provoked... and Kiev is provoking... that is all they have left in the tank so to speak.

Your quotes speak for themselves no amount of trying to back peddle will change thst

So judge jury and executioner... amusing. Not today Captain America.

This is not your jurisdiction though, and if you read the rules you will find he hasn't broken any.

That said, I don't see how killing me is going to stop the horrors of this NATO provoked war that NATO and its Nazi pets in Ukraine are solely responsible for.

The western saying I believe is, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Don't just treat everything as a problem, because everything isn't ever the problem.

There are plenty in the west who support Russia more than many Russians support Russia, it is stupid to treat everyone as a group in everything.

Many Ukrainians didn't want to become Russian citizens but the ridiculous actions of those in Kiev forced them to make a choice and they are choosing to speak Russian and not hate Russians... are you sure you want to kill them for that?

The Nazis want to kill them for that.

The Nazis don't care and will wipe out any group in their way, or not in their way for that matter.

If they wanted the Ukraine to remain one piece and independent they didn't have to make Russia an enemy, and now they are losing multiple areas that will likely increase over time the longer they take.

So far Ukraine is fortifying on industrial scale newly taken positions in Kursk region - they will need 2 days to complete tranches. So if Russia wants to liberate those areas smoothly would need to work very hard and fast, later will be much more costly to do it.

Hahahahaha... how many billions were pocketed for that job? Where are the concrete mixers and the engineer units needed to dig in and create fortresses?

Some Ukrainian bureaucrat just got really rich I suspect... they probably paid him so much that white powder is not concrete, it is cocaine...